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Why non-profit assisted suicide organizations don't allow nitrogen gas rather than Nembutal in Switzerland? Or do they?


I have found this article on PubMed about Dignitas, a non-profit organisation who used helium to help people die painlessly in Switzerland.


Link: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20211999/


The PubMed Article Here:


Assisted suicide by oxygen deprivation with helium at a Swiss right-to-die organisation

Abstract

Background:
In Switzerland, right-to-die organisations assist their members with suicide by lethal drugs, usually barbiturates. One organisation, Dignitas, has experimented with oxygen deprivation as an alternative to sodium pentobarbital.

Objective: To analyse the process of assisted suicide by oxygen deprivation with helium and a common face mask and reservoir bag.

Method: This study examined four cases of assisted suicide by oxygen deprivation using helium delivered via a face mask. Videos of the deaths were provided by the Zurich police. Dignitas provided protocol and consent information.

Results: One man and three women were assisted to death by oxygen deprivation. There was wide variation in the time to unconsciousness and the time to death, probably due to the poor mask fit. Swiss law prevented attendants from effectively managing the face mask apparatus. Purposeless movements of the extremities were disconcerting for Dignitas attendants, who are accustomed to assisting suicide with barbiturates. None of the dying individuals attempted self-rescue.

Conclusions: The dying process of oxygen deprivation with helium is potentially quick and appears painless. It also bypasses the prescribing role of physicians, effectively demedicalising assisted suicide. Oxygen deprivation with a face mask is not acceptable because leaks are difficult to control and it may not eliminate rebreathing. These factors will extend time to unconsciousness and time to death. A hood method could reduce the problem of mask fit. With a hood, a flow rate of helium sufficient to provide continuous washout of expired gases would remedy problems observed with the mask.

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I think non-profit organisations should set nitrogen gas places and help people who came to Switzerland.

What do you think?
 
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Why non-profit assisted suicide organizations don't allow nitrogen gas rather than Nembutal in Switzerland? Or do they?


I have found this article on PubMed about Dignitas, a non-profit organisation who used helium to help people die painlessly in Switzerland.


Link: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20211999/




I think non-profit organisations should set nitrogen gas places and help people who came to Switzerland.

What do you think?
Hello buddy
Thank you for your good topic
In your opinion, suicide with helium is completely painless
Can people implement it simply and alone
 
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Don't forget the Dignitas fuck-up. Although I'm not sure what particular gas was used in that debacle.
 
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Hello buddy
Thank you for your good topic
In your opinion, suicide with helium is completely painless
Can people implement it simply and alone
That's what R2D ("Right to Die") Rebreather lll is designed to do, but using small, readily available nitrogen gas cartridges.

IIRC acouple members used it successfully but it did not work for a couple of others.
Don't forget the Dignitas fuck-up. Although I'm not sure what particular gas was used in that debacle.
Link to news articles about this or just more details?
 
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Can people implement it simply and alone

I decided to use Inert Gas to CTB. If you want to learn more about them you can use these links.

Exit bag and inert gas megathread: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/exit-bag-and-inert-gas-megathread.8393/

Nitrogen gas with eebd hood guide: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/nitrogen-gas-with-eebd-hood-guide-inert-gas-method.122159/

Or you can download PPeH book 2022 essentials edition here and look up to inert gas section: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/pph-essentials-2022.107973/
Don't forget the Dignitas fuck-up. Although I'm not sure what particular gas was used in that debacle.
It wasn't about Dignitas. My take was that if a non-profit organisation had done inert gas method before, why can't now? It was not about specific organisation. It was about Switzerland's systems. The Switzerland allows such inert gas options. But it seems there is not any reliable non-profit organisations who helps people smoothly. At least, I don't know yet when it comes to inert gas methods.
 
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Link to news articles about this or just more details?

There was a Dignitas case where a patient took more than 40 minutes to die with the inert gas method, presumably because of an improper seal with the used facemask.

I looked around a while, but couldn't find the original post on the forum.
 
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There was a Dignitas case where a patient took more than 40 minutes to die with the inert gas method, presumably because of an improper seal with the used facemask.

I looked around a while, but couldn't find the original post on the forum.
Yes, most likely a leak. Otherwise Guinness world record for surviving >40 minutes without oxygen.

Even after EXIT announces first successful use of Sarco it will be quite awhile before you'll be able to rent one ($$$?) for private use.

Probably best to contact R2D to find out if they've fixed their lll version (or ask when version lV will be released).

Or build your own following Gas Monkey's design.
 
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I decided to use Inert Gas to CTB. If you want to learn more about them you can use these links.

Exit bag and inert gas megathread: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/exit-bag-and-inert-gas-megathread.8393/

Nitrogen gas with eebd hood guide: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/nitrogen-gas-with-eebd-hood-guide-inert-gas-method.122159/

Or you can download PPeH book 2022 essentials edition here and look up to inert gas section: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/pph-essentials-2022.107973/

It wasn't about Dignitas. My take was that if a non-profit organisation had done inert gas method before, why can't now? It was not about specific organisation. It was about Switzerland's systems. The Switzerland allows such inert gas options. But it seems there is not any reliable non-profit organisations who helps people smoothly. At least, I don't know yet when it comes to inert gas methods.
thank you i check
 
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