Why Mental Health services are a joke.

[Valky]

If you have no health insurance you are completely fucked.
And even if you do, you still are.

Doctors with no empathy, therapists and psychiatrist who can't do their job right, psych wards endless waiting lists, heck, even child protective services are incompetent.

Of course, every country has different regulations concerning their health insurance laws. They reach from mandatory ones to Universal healthcare and of course whatever the fuck the US is doing.

But let's assume we all have that kinda money to either pay for the services out of pocket or just afford a private health insurance plan that covers more costs and makes you a prioritised patient. Does that still ensure a recovery? Hell no.

Oh and btw, here is the summery of my medical expenses of the past 5 years just so you are aware what kind of money we are talking about.

Medication:




Doctor services ; university outpatient clinic and psychiatric institute outpatient clinic


And now for the grand finale!!
My 6 months' psych ward stay:



Btw, the doctors often have to write a more dramatic medical report so that the health insurance companies are willing to continue paying your stay. :D

 

[Das Nichts]

That's fucked up. Kind of a validation why I never considered going to therapy.

 

[Dead Ghost]

Look, I complain about public health in Spain, but luckily it's free. As for private insurance, it currently costs me 77 euros and includes 37 visits to the psychologist a year (and I don't use them).

And if they have to admit me, in the case of the public, as I say it's completely free for as long as you stay (my father was there for 3 months).

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Mira que jo em queixo de la sanitat pública a Espanya, però afortunadament és gratuïta. En quan a l'assegurança privada, em costa actualment 77 euros i tinc incloses 37 visites l'any al psicòleg (y no les faig pas servir).

I si m'han d'ingressar, en el cas de la pública, com dic és totalment gratuïta estiguis el temps que estiguis (el meu pare va estar-hi 3 mesos).

 

[Valky]

That's fucked up. Kind of a validation why I never considered going to therapy.

I mean this is not supposed to discourage anyone from going. The psych ward stay, therapy and meds helped me a lot and I got my life under control again (more or less).

This is more like a 'things that are wrong with mh services' than a 'don't try'.

 

[AerialBoundaries]

It's free in Scotland, but ultimately, absolutely useless. If you're lucky here, you'll get prescribed SSRI medication and be asked to come back in 4 weeks to see if there's any improvement. There is no empathy with them, but at the same time they are completely underskilled and underfunded.

I'm done with them completely and I won't be poisoning my mind and body any further, in an attempt to avoid the inevitable.

 

[Not.Flugel]

If you have no health insurance you are completely fucked.
And even if you do, you still are.

Doctors with no empathy, therapists and psychiatrist who can't do their job right, psych wards endless waiting lists, heck, even child protective services are incompetent.

Of course, every country has different regulations concerning their health insurance laws. They reach from mandatory ones to Universal healthcare and of course whatever the fuck the US is doing.

But let's assume we all have that kinda money to either pay for the services out of pocket or just afford a private health insurance plan that covers more costs and makes you a prioritised patient. Does that still ensure a recovery? Hell no.

Oh and btw, here is the summery of my medical expenses of the past 5 years just so you are aware what kind of money we are talking about.

Medication:

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Doctor services ; university outpatient clinic and psychiatric institute outpatient clinic
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And now for the grand finale!!
My 6 months' psych ward stay:

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Btw, the doctors often have to write a more dramatic medical report so that the health insurance companies are willing to continue paying your stay. :D

Where are you from to get this much bs cost for meds, since I am confused that this is in german.

 

[FuneralCry]

The whole industry only exists to profit from people's suffering, it's totally a scam. And why would anyone want to go in a psych ward anyway, do they really want to torture themselves. I just think that in general mental health "services" just make things worse than they already are.

 

[Gonnerr]

Every doctor i see , there are on a rush , i feel they want to end quickly the appointment because they have too much patient.

Too much human being on earth , thats what we have the right to die and let us have SN or N

 

[Valky]

And why would anyone want to go in a psych ward anyway, do they really want to torture themselves. I just think that in general mental health "services" just make things worse than they already are.

I wanted to go to the psych ward. Even my own mother tried to talk me out of it but I insisted. It had it's downsides but most importantly it's upsides. It was hard work but it was worth it. I learned so much about myself, my illnesses and got to connect to people that feel the same way irl. MH services can definitely make things worse but they can also make things better. You can't know until you try.

Where are you from to get this much bs cost for meds, since I am confused that this is in german.

Germany. I take 4 different medications everyday.

 

[AresCohere]

Im sadly being forced into going to therapy, but ive been able to fake being okay for years. Lucky my family mostly focuses on my sister's minor depression.

 

[Loveless]

Mental health services are a joke in America. psych wards are like prisons, they dehumanize you as much as possible, they don't take anything you say seriously, it's like nobody even gives a shit. After they treat you like a subhuman they have the nerve to charge you 10k usd for 5 days of "treatment." Being there is a nightmare, It's the reason I have chosen to stop seeking help, even the people that are supposed to help you don't care.

 

[Valky]

Mental health services are a joke in America. psych wards are like prisons, they dehumanize you as much as possible, they don't take anything you say seriously, it's like nobody even gives a shit. After they treat you like a subhuman they have the nerve to charge you 10k usd for 5 days of "treatment." Being there is a nightmare, It's the reason I have chosen to stop seeking help, even the people that are supposed to help you don't care.

I was so incredibly upset when I learned about paper scrubs. And that is only the tip of the iceberg. I am so sorry you had to experience that.

 

[Loveless]

I was so incredibly upset when I learned about paper scrubs. And that is only the tip of the iceberg. I am so sorry you had to experience that.

Probably the worst thing is when they make you strip and force you to take a shower, I really don't know how they get away with calling it health care, there's no care.

 

[Vizzy]

If mental health services requires ER they won't take it as joke but it works slowly, steadily and passively so they don't care, all the medical issues which go to ER are considered top priority

 

[Not.Flugel]

I wanted to go to the psych ward. Even my own mother tried to talk me out of it but I insisted. It had it's downsides but most importantly it's upsides. It was hard work but it was worth it. I learned so much about myself, my illnesses and got to connect to people that feel the same way irl. MH services can definitely make things worse but they can also make things better. You can't know until you try.

Germany. I take 4 different medications everyday.

I take it you are privately insured? Also, that sucks hard. Was thinking about getting a therapy appointment to see wtf is wrong with me, but I am not fucking paying that for grippy sock prison.

 

[FuneralGrey]

It's hard to say what's wrong with mental health services. Effective treatments for lots of conditions do exist, although accessibility is usually the problem. As you say, there's no guarantee of recovery even with all the treatment in the world, but that's also true of many physical conditions as well.

The problem in a lot of places is that treatment is expensive. Even in countries with public health coverage, public services tend to be overwhelmed and ineffective, while people who can afford it can find higher quality care. Unfortunately, several public (and sometimes private) psych hospitals can be outdated and traumatic, although good ones do exist (I'm told). Coercive treatment in particular can be very harmful, but for lots of people, mental health care in the community isn't available, so they don't get treatment until they're "sick" enough to be forced into it.

There are lots of problems, for sure, and few easy solutions. We have the tools we need to effectively treat lots of people and help them find a high quality of life, they're just not being made available to the people who need them.

 

[SilentSadness]

The mental health services never helped me, they're very apathetic and extremely dangerous if they think you're going to ctb. It's just a waste of money and time. Of course suicidality shouldn't be regarded as mental illness anyway, so the services are just there to intimidate and persecute suicidal people who are already suffering. It's digusting that they even charge you for this.

 

[Valky]

I take it you are privately insured? Also, that sucks hard. Was thinking about getting a therapy appointment to see wtf is wrong with me, but I am not fucking paying that for grippy sock prison.

No I am not :). I am sad we don't get grippy socks here. You should still try out an appointmenl it might help you a lot. It's not like you get immediately hospitalised even if you want to ctb

There are lots of problems, for sure, and few easy solutions. We have the tools we need to effectively treat lots of people and help them find a high quality of life, they're just not being made available to the people who need them.

And neither is assisted suicide. Pick a side people.

 

[Vizzy]

You don't really go to the ER here because of that, except something happened to you. Worst case is getting transported by an ambulance or police to the closed psych ward.

No I am not :). I am sad we don't get grippy socks here. You should still try out an appointmenl it might help you a lot. It's not like you get immediately hospitalised even if you want to ctb

That's why I said if mental illness make everyone to go to ER they will not take it as a joke, just see how fast our countries legislation will work and politicians will be going crazy

 

[Valky]

That's why I said if mental illness make everyone to go to ER they will not take it as a joke, just see how fast our countries legislation will work and politicians will be going crazy

Ohh, my bad, I read it wrong.

 

[FuneralGrey]

And neither is assisted suicide. Pick a side people.

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here. In most places, assisted suicide or even access to materials necessary to peacefully complete suicide yourself isn't available either. I believe both effective, high quality treatment and access to suicide (assisted or otherwise) should be available. Why pick a side?

Many people choose suicide who otherwise may have found joy and fulfillment in life had they had access to compassionate, quality care. Many people are forced to live a life of suffering or die very painful deaths because suicide is not permissible. Both are true, and it is my opinion that both should be avoided.

 

[Not.Flugel]

No I am not :). I am sad we don't get grippy socks here. You should still try out an appointmenl it might help you a lot. It's not like you get immediately hospitalised even if you want to ctb

And neither is assisted suicide. Pick a side people.

Happy to hear that as you can see I am a pharmacist student, and we definitely had our fair share of customers whose insurance wanted to talk it over like 3000 times before they get it. Well, I mean IDK if I am still alive for my appointment, but I doubt having SN + all others medications + suicide notes is going to help my case. Anyway, I will still attend.

Saw on MOS that there are no grippy socks in Germany anymore, I am lucky my moms a doc and I made her give me like twenty pairs.

 

[Valky]

I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here. In most places, assisted suicide or even access to materials necessary to peacefully complete suicide yourself isn't available either. I believe both effective, high quality treatment and access to suicide (assisted or otherwise) should be available. Why pick a side?

Many people choose suicide who otherwise may have found joy and fulfillment in life had they had access to compassionate, quality care. Many people are forced to live a life of suffering or die very painful deaths because suicide is not permissible. Both are true, and it is my opinion that both should be avoided.

Sorry I was too lazy to further explain what I mean. I apologise for the misunderstanding.

As you said, MH services are a joke and assisted suicide isn't available either. What I mean is, they should pick a side on what to do. Either help them to live or help them to die. Obviously, preferable both but they really just decided to do neither.

 

[glitterypearls]

therapy for me just calms my symptoms down. doesn't really help me beyond that. sometimes it even gets me mad instead of helping but I believe therapy should free and paid by the gov. because it's really important. there is people who can be saved by therapy. killers who wouldnt kill if they went therapy, same with rapists and pedos 100% need to be in therapy to help them not act on those thoughts

it's a shame that it's so expensive and finding a good understanding therapist is a huge challenge

 

[Valky]

Happy to hear that as you can see I am a pharmacist student, and we definitely had our fair share of customers whose insurance wanted to talk it over like 3000 times before they get it. Well, I mean IDK if I am still alive for my appointment, but I doubt having SN + all others medications + suicide notes is going to help my case. Anyway, I will still attend.

Saw on MOS that there are no grippy socks in Germany anymore, I am lucky my moms a doc and I made her give me like twenty pairs.

Damn I didn't know we ever had any here.

That sounds awful, just give people their meds man T.T

anyways, I am really sorry that life has brought you to this point. I wish you all the best, whatever you decide to do! <3

 

[howl pendragon]

Doctors with no empathy, therapists and psychiatrist who can't do their job right, psych wards endless waiting lists, heck, even child protective services are incompetent.

I strongly agree with you about doctors and nurses. In my country, there are many stories of how people who tried were treated in emergency services, from negligence in the ambulance's response time, to violence and abuse from the health professionals who treated the cases.

Some reports of medical care in public hospitals (free of charge in my country), translated, if anyone wanna read:


"Do you know what you do when you get nervous like that? Go fishing..." The "advice" was not given by a clueless relative, but by a doctor in the emergency area of a public hospital attending A, 32yo. "When I entered the hospital room, I immediately heard the nurse: 'well now that my shift was ending!'. She barely looked at my face, asked what I had taken and said she was going to do the stomach wash. I got scared and said I didn't want to. Then, she asked: 'did you really take something or are you doing this just to get attention?'" During the procedure, A stayed two hours in the room very cold and alone, she still listened to the nurse saying again that she just wanted attention. "I couldn't stand it, I pulled the probe and removed the needle from my arm. A lot of blood squirted and my mother had to put on a coat to stop it''. A was taken to a stretcher in the corridor and only left the hospital after passing by the doctor who ordered to go fishing.

B, 24yo, went through a similar situation. After ingesting medicine, she ended up in the hospital and "hell began". "Two nurses asked my mother to leave because, according to them, 'things were going to get ugly' and they started the washing procedure. They forced the probe into my nose while mocking: 'look, I just found out you have a deviated septum'; 'you did shit, now you handle it' and they pushed the probe further and further. I saw the blood flowing and the look of contempt on those women. Finally, I heard, between screams, that the tube needed to be swallowed 'like the pills I took'''. Vanessa was covered in blood, feeling the taste of plastic in her mouth and with a new trauma. "I felt humiliated and violated by professionals who, for some reason, wanted to make me suffer". They forced the probe into my nose while mocking: 'look, I just found out you have a deviated septum'; 'that's what you can do to shit, now you can handle it' and they pushed the probe further and further. I saw the blood flowing and the look of contempt on those women. Finally, I heard, between screams, that the probe needed to be swallowed like the pills I took'''. Vanessa was covered in blood, tasting plastic in her mouth, and having a new trauma. "I felt humiliated and violated by professionals who, for some reason, wanted to make me suffer". When she was discharged, one of them even said "I'm glad you're okay. With the amount of medicine you took, you won't have a headache or an infection anytime soon".

"I attended a patient who, during the discharge procedure, a nurse said that, next time, I could look for her, because she would get a medicine that would be 'shot and fall' to kill herself".


There are some studies that correlate the vision of a health professional who works based on the idea of the body as a privileged place of care. For them, the disease as an accidental event, and by studying their treatment, the professional prepares to save lives. In this way, situations of self-harm —which include abortion and alcoholism, for example — are considered intentionally charged events, resulting from a choice, which does not generate the identification of their perpetrators as patients or victims.

In truth, pro lifers do not want to help, so they don't care about how awful it is to be treated that way. They just wanna relieve themselves of guilt about the problems that lead a person to CTB, I guess. They refuse to see how troublesome, how painful life can be. They refuse to admit that they've learned to suppress, to hide their pain, or even that they may have coping mechanisms. And "what do you mean someone dares to go around talking about pain and not wanting to be here anymore"? I saw this post a while ago:

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But wait, there's more! If none of our suggestions work, you'll live a happy life if you just call 1-800-SUI-CIDE. That's 1-800-SUI-CIDE. Talk to our delightful representatives. If you tell them you're planning on shuffling off this mortal coil, you'll get a no-expenses-paid trip to a luxury off-the-grid location: your local psychiatric hospital. Surrender your phone, laptop, and human dignity, and maybe we'll find a way to keep you alive.

 

[Valky]

"Do you know what you do when you get nervous like that? Go fishing..." The "advice" was not given by a clueless relative, but by a doctor in the emergency area of a public hospital attending A, 32yo. "When I entered the hospital room, I immediately heard the nurse: 'well now that my shift was ending!'. She barely looked at my face, asked what I had taken and said she was going to do the stomach wash. I got scared and said I didn't want to. Then, she asked: 'did you really take something or are you doing this just to get attention?'" During the procedure, A stayed two hours in the room very cold and alone, she still listened to the nurse saying again that she just wanted attention. "I couldn't stand it, I pulled the probe and removed the needle from my arm. A lot of blood squirted and my mother had to put on a coat to stop it''. A was taken to a stretcher in the corridor and only left the hospital after passing by the doctor who ordered to go fishing.

B, 24yo, went through a similar situation. After ingesting medicine, she ended up in the hospital and "hell began". "Two nurses asked my mother to leave because, according to them, 'things were going to get ugly' and they started the washing procedure. They forced the probe into my nose while mocking: 'look, I just found out you have a deviated septum'; 'you did shit, now you handle it' and they pushed the probe further and further. I saw the blood flowing and the look of contempt on those women. Finally, I heard, between screams, that the tube needed to be swallowed 'like the pills I took'''. Vanessa was covered in blood, feeling the taste of plastic in her mouth and with a new trauma. "I felt humiliated and violated by professionals who, for some reason, wanted to make me suffer". They forced the probe into my nose while mocking: 'look, I just found out you have a deviated septum'; 'that's what you can do to shit, now you can handle it' and they pushed the probe further and further. I saw the blood flowing and the look of contempt on those women. Finally, I heard, between screams, that the probe needed to be swallowed like the pills I took'''. Vanessa was covered in blood, tasting plastic in her mouth, and having a new trauma. "I felt humiliated and violated by professionals who, for some reason, wanted to make me suffer". When she was discharged, one of them even said "I'm glad you're okay. With the amount of medicine you took, you won't have a headache or an infection anytime soon".

"I attended a patient who, during the discharge procedure, a nurse said that, next time, I could look for her, because she would get a medicine that would be 'shot and fall' to kill herself".


There are some studies that correlate the vision of a health professional who works based on the idea of the body as a privileged place of care. For them, the disease as an accidental event, and by studying their treatment, the professional prepares to save lives. In this way, situations of self-harm —which include abortion and alcoholism, for example — are considered intentionally charged events, resulting from a choice, which does not generate the identification of their perpetrators as patients or victims.

that is absolutely terrible. I had no idea that it would be THAT bad. I am so incredibly sorry, that shit is scary. Like we haven't been through enough suffering yet…
@BipolarExpress very well writing though!!

 

[howl pendragon]

that is absolutely terrible. I had no idea that it would be THAT bad. I am so incredibly sorry, that shit is scary. Like we haven't been through enough suffering yet…

Ab*rtion and su*cide are treated in an inhuman way around here. I've heard stories about a person who gave up nursing after trying to help a person in a lot of pain who had an ab*rtion, and being stopped by the head nurse.


"you're not going to help her, there are a lot of women here who want the baby, you're going to help them
that one didn't want to, she can handle it"


Here people even deny pain medicine if you tried one of these... I also heard stories of neglect for the ambulance to answer the call in cases of su*cide, taking hours to arrive.

Dark humor joke alert;
If your method is SN, would be a great country to CTB. LOL

 

[Valky]

Ab*rtion and su*cide are treated in an inhuman way around here. I've heard stories about a person who gave up nursing after trying to help a person in a lot of pain who had an ab*rtion, and being stopped by the head nurse.


"you're not going to help her, there are a lot of women here who want the baby, you're going to help them
that one didn't want to, she can handle it"


Here people even deny pain medicine if you tried one of these... I also heard stories of neglect for the ambulance to answer the call in cases of su*cide, taking hours to arrive.

Dark humor joke alert;
If your method is SN, would be a great country to CTB. LOL

May I ask where you are from? That is absolutely terrible. If a person is hurting, you help, no matter what. It is nowhere close to this here but there are still some insensitive people working in medical care and they really annoy the heck out of me.

 

[sannoji]

It's free in Scotland, but ultimately, absolutely useless. If you're lucky here, you'll get prescribed SSRI medication and be asked to come back in 4 weeks to see if there's any improvement. There is no empathy with them, but at the same time they are completely underskilled and underfunded.

I'm done with them completely and I won't be poisoning my mind and body any further, in an attempt to avoid the inevitable.

exactly, the nhs is so bloody broken. i was able to get some therapy for a while on private insurance but on bringing up my more complex issues it's just "sorry but you have to go through the nhs for that" so now i'm on yet another ridiculous years long waiting list with zero support. it's so exhausting