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poisonedminds

poisonedminds

Student
May 8, 2021
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I have been reading through a bunch of documents about medically assisted suicide in Canada. Starting march 2023, patients whose only medical problem is a mental illness will be allowed to apply for the procedure of medically assisted suicide. In preparation, Canada got an advisor team to help establish guidelines and recommendations that will help accept or deny patient's applications. Here's a link to their final report: https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/corporate/about-health-canada/public-engagement/external-advisory-bodies/expert-panel-maid-mental-illness/final-report-expert-panel-maid-mental-illness.html

The main thing that seems to stick out to me so far is that they make a point out of discouraging suicide, even within a program that's literally about medically assisted suicide.

Past suicide attempts as well as suicidal ideation are points of disqualification, rather than evidence of long-term, well-reflected intent and desire to die. Anyone with a known past suicide attempt or suicidal ideation will be less likely to be approved for medically assisted suicide. This makes no sense to me. If anything, the fact that I have been suicidal for years and was even ready to give up my dignity in order to end my life should prove that I am serious in my decision and that I have been thinking about it for a very long time.

Instead, the ''experts'' argue that suicidality caused by mental illness should be an exclusion criteria. Despite them admitting that ''in some conditions, a desire to die can be understandable and rational'', they go on to depict suicidal ideation as highly immoral in the context of mental illness.

They recommend disqualifying anyone whose death wish may be considered a direct symptom of their mental illness, as opposed to a result of the suffering caused by said mental illness. They give examples of mental illnesses that may cause suicidal thoughts as a symptom, such as major depression, bipolar and BPD.

This means you may be disqualified if they think that your suicidality is a symptom of your mental illness as opposed to a normal result of your suffering. This also means they will be able to disqualify literally anyone with a mental illness simply by depicting the death wish as a symptom rather than an expected result of long-term suffering. They give themselves the right to determine whether our suicidality is an expected, understandable and rational result of intense suffering due to mental illness, or just another symptom of said mental illness. If they do come to the conclusion that your suicidal intent is ''just a symptom'', your death wish may well be considered immoral and your application rejected.

In my eyes, this is all a sham. They will be able to reject every single application based on this same reasoning. It is impossible to determine wether suicidal intent is a symptom in itself or a product of other symptoms. Depicting the first variation as morally incorrect but the second as understandable is also incredibly baseless. In reality, they will be able to claim whatever they want without any consequences because none of this is factual, it is all interpretation and a very very loose one at that. Once again we are powerless to the moral police.

In my opinion, this report and their recommendations will do nothing but further stigmatize suicide and infantilize people suffering from severe, long-term mental illness. The worst part? In the guide, they even talk about involuntary hospitalization for applicants whose suicidality is deemed a mere symptom. So not only is it highly likely that most applications from mental-illness-only-patients will be refused on baseless grounds and made-up moral standards, we may even face involuntary hospitalization as a result of filing an application.

Gotta love Canada until you don't.
 
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LaVieEnRose

LaVieEnRose

Angelic
Jul 23, 2022
4,379
Groveling for doctor' agreement that your life was irredeemably terrible was also icky.

I guess it's back to DIY suicide like before (not that I could avail myself of MAID, not being Canadian).
 
Life_and_Death

Life_and_Death

Do what's best for you 🕯️ I'm............
Jul 1, 2020
7,031
Are you sure you read it?
I'm not getting into an argument with you about it so I'm just going to leave it at.
 
Blue_mist

Blue_mist

Mortal
Apr 14, 2021
229
I've been building hopes for next March, but since I have attempted suicide twice i think i will be definitely declined MAID 😢😢
 
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oneeyed

Arcanist
Oct 11, 2022
417
I've been building hopes for next March, but since I have attempted suicide twice i think i will be definitely declined MAID 😢😢
Same. I didn't have much hope I would qualify to begin with though.
 
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cowie

Student
Oct 25, 2022
122
Thank you for sharing this and clarifying the policy. That is unfortunate and ironic that the truly suicidal are going to be denied this option.

I do think that Canada is moving in the right direction, even if they aren't yet where many of us would like them to be.
 
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makethepainstop

makethepainstop

Visionary
Sep 16, 2022
2,029
They just won't make it easy for us. Yet if their dog or cat was in pain,they couldn't euthanize them fast enough!😲
 
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nopointinlife

Student
Mar 11, 2022
111
I'm canceling my plans on becoming a Canadian citizen
 
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almaranthine

almaranthine

Wizard
Nov 28, 2019
615
I have to wonder who this policy was really created to help? I'm trying to think of a mental illness in which suicidal thoughts wouldn't be considered a potential symptom of the disease.
 
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lugerepair

I don't like life
Oct 15, 2020
165
Past suicide attempts as well as suicidal ideation are points of disqualification, rather than evidence of long-term, well-reflected intent and desire to die. Anyone with a known past suicide attempt or suicidal ideation will be less likely to be approved for medically assisted suicide.

That's so fucking dumb!! Why do they think that things like depression, bipolar, and bpd make people suicidal????? Because those mental illnesses cause unbearable suffering, that's why! And I thought the whole point of MAID was to alleviate people's suffering!!!!
 
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NeverEndingPain

NeverEndingPain

So tired of struggling
May 8, 2022
286
So a person applies for MAID because they no longer want to live anymore but you can't be suicidal ( meaning you don't want to live anymore)
Make this make sense
 
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UtopianElephant

Student
Nov 26, 2022
128
Wow, thank you for all of your research into this topic. I believe in every human having a legal choice whether to live or die, and have been aware of MAID deliberations for MI starting in 2023.

Your research seems to confirm that it is something resembling a sham. It's hard to envision this 'program' accepting more than a few people every year, so in practice it would be about as effective at allowing people to die as if it never existed at all.

The way to combat it is to fight for a universal right to a dignified death, instead of celebrating such murky privileges that some politicians and doctors decide to bestow on a few people.
 
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Himalayan

Himalayan

"Wake up to reality, nothing ever goes as planned"
Sep 30, 2022
422
The truth is, this is only for old people or those that literally can't move already
 
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UtopianElephant

Student
Nov 26, 2022
128
They just won't make it easy for us. Yet if their dog or cat was in pain,they couldn't euthanize them fast enough!😲
Any human should be able to walk into a clinic and say that they have the right to at least a dignified death like a dog or cat! It's bizarre how inhumanely most humans treat one another.
 
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deathissosad

deathissosad

I will find you in the afterlife my Nanes. -boov 😢
Nov 17, 2022
173
So a person applies for MAID because they no longer want to live anymore but you can't be suicidal ( meaning you don't want to live anymore)
Make this make sense
Thats TURDeau for ya
 
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existentialgoof

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Aug 23, 2022
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Right to die advocates need to rally against the pseudo-scientific, stigmatising and infantilising concept of "mental illness". People experience psychological distress as a natural consequence of what has happened to them. The paradigm of mental illness depoliticises the causes of this suffering by making all suffering a manifestation of the weakness or mental feebleness of the individual. There is no objective evidence of the existence of a disease entity in these cases. People are labelled mentally ill because their experience of life deviates from an arbitrary normative standard past an arbitrarily determined threshold.

The diagnosis of mental illness has no truth value, and serves no function beyond simply describing the suffering that is experienced. The cause of the suffering is not identified. So it's a bit like going to the doctor with a sore leg and being diagnosed with "sore leg syndrome" without any further testing being done to establish why your leg is sore. It's simply presumed that you're suffering because you're a mentally defective individual.


I've made a comprehensive blog post on the right to die which also critiques the fraudulent medical model of mental illness.
http://schopenhaueronmars.com/2022/...rights-and-the-cruelty-of-suicide-prevention/

We need to demand objective clinical proof that these "mental disorders" are real medical conditions. If not, then the stigma of mental illness will always be used to justify taking away our right to choose, on the basis that the label "mental illness" is freighted with stigma of being delusional and lacking mental capacity globally. To accept the label of mental illness without proof is to accept having your legal status reduced to that of a child. If you accept the diagnosis, then you tacitly accept the premise that you have an impairment that impedes your capacity to make decisions for yourself.
 
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piger

piger

Every waking moment I spiral further into insanity
Dec 11, 2021
75
All the Canadian government sees is "look at all of this money in medical costs we're saving!" by telling Grandma to kill herself because she can't walk.