Why isn't suicide respected as the most fundamental human right?

[Darkover]

We can't control coming into existence, but we can decide to end it anytime we wish. In my opinion and I know many others also spoke about this, suicide is the most important right we have as a human. It is the ultimate act of freedom. So some people will get angry if I express this opinion anywhere, but it's purely logical and it's not like i want people to die. I just want to point out that if a person wants to end his life, we as outsiders have no right whatsoever to interfere with his decision. Why do humans always feel the need to help someone who isn't asking for it? help cannot be enforced against one's free will, and if it is- that's not help, that's abuse/oppression.

we're being oppressed by the government and society

Oppression is malicious or unjust treatment of, or exercise of power over, a group of individuals, often in the form of governmental authority or culture.

Oppression is a form of injustice that occurs when one social group is subordinated while another is privileged, and oppression is maintained by a variety of different mechanisms including social norms, stereotypes and institutional rules.

Suicide people are treated badly by the government and society they are treated like criminals under the law they have legalized kidnapping and forced imprisonment and forced drugging and deprived you of privacy, also these psych wards they take you to are not safe places for everyone.

 

[FadingDawn]

People we live in a garbage pro life society, and if you're alive you can always have every last drop of your life harvested by capitalism

 

[wildflowers1996]

I suppose because of religious reasons, belief the person is being impulsive and will be glad they lived later on, and people will miss the person who died

Also sometimes I think people who harm themselves don't know how to ask for help or don't feel worthy of it but secretly want it. Or they don't feel listened to and they harm themselves as a cry for help.

Because that was me at one point… I took an overdose longing for someone to care I was suffering. I wanted someone to come save me.
It didn't happen; I was left to die by my best friend.

That actually pushed me to want to die more seriously; I realised how unimportant my pain was and how unloved I was.

I don't want saving now - or rather I do, it's just I don't think I can be saved, so I'd rather just someone help me to die.

 

[Yuina]

Selfishness, I think. They always tell you to "think about your loved ones" or "how [person] would feel" but they never take your own feelings into account. How are we expected to care about other people when we can't even care about ourselves?

 

[EmptyHeaded]

At least in Germany, suicide is actually considered to be a basic right that may not be violated under any circumstances.

 

[FuneralCry]

Because we exist in such a cult like pro-suffering society where there is this insane worship of the abomination that is existence even know existence is truly something so hellish with nobody being able to suffer from not existing yet there is no limit as to how torturous existence can get. Pro-life people are just so sadistic to me, it's a terrible crime how there is no acceptance towards suicide even know we are all just going to die anyway.

 

[deadwalkid]

This one is easy. How can they continue to exploit you if they let you leave this life.
People with power in this world are the worst.

 

[DEATH IS FREEDOM]

I think that suicide and euthanasia will become fundamental human rights - the development is moving in that direction. I believe that it is only a matter of time before euthanasia will become legal worldwide but society´s changes take a long time for the individual.

 

[TraurigerClown]

We can't control coming into existence, but we can decide to end it anytime we wish. In my opinion and I know many others also spoke about this, suicide is the most important right we have as a human. It is the ultimate act of freedom. So some people will get angry if I express this opinion anywhere, but it's purely logical and it's not like i want people to die. I just want to point out that if a person wants to end his life, we as outsiders have no right whatsoever to interfere with his decision. Why do humans always feel the need to help someone who isn't asking for it? help cannot be enforced against one's free will, and if it is- that's not help, that's abuse/oppression.

we're being oppressed by the government and society

Oppression is malicious or unjust treatment of, or exercise of power over, a group of individuals, often in the form of governmental authority or culture.

Oppression is a form of injustice that occurs when one social group is subordinated while another is privileged, and oppression is maintained by a variety of different mechanisms including social norms, stereotypes and institutional rules.

Suicide people are treated badly by the government and society they are treated like criminals under the law they have legalized kidnapping and forced imprisonment and forced drugging and deprived you of privacy, also these psych wards they take you to are not safe places for everyone.

The answer is rather simple but sad. They make tons of money with us. Try to suicide yourself and you're full in the circle of Pharmaindustry. It's unbelievable how much you worth while on treatment in psychiatric hospitals or when under care of some therapists

 

[ijustwishtodie]

I think that there are two main reasons for this:

1. Society needs slaves as well as people who contribute to the system. Even if you aren't in a position where you can work, society can still use you as you are a consumer and hence you are participating in society. Only dead people can't participate in society and they know that

2. People all fear death and worship life. They assume that everybody else is the same and that anybody who claims to want death is saying that against their own autonomy hence they feel like they have to step in and save suicidal people from themselves. Oh also they're just scared to see people kill themselves in general

 

[ThisGameIsOverrated]

because this world isn't run based one trying to make people have the best lives, the same people making and enforcing "human rights" are enslaving kids in Congo and bombing kids in the Middle East all they care about is money and power

 

[EyesOfNight]

At least in Germany, suicide is actually considered to be a basic right that may not be violated under any circumstances.

I don't know what Germany is like but I would assume that healthcare professionals such as psychiatrists and therapists can essentially imprison a person should they express the intent to commit suicide(please correct me if I'm wrong). Wouldn't that count as violating this basic right?

 

[Roadrunner]

Anyone that has never suffered through a lengthy deep depression will never understand the relentless mind pain. They just can't relate. Add religion to the mix (and the those cults have a loud voice with elected officials). They are proposing building a hospice in the small town I live in. The religious nuts were out protesting it ( there were so many of them the police had to be called). They all believe the hospice may be used for medically assisted dying "MAID". Those of us suffering have no chance, imho

 

[Anhaedra]

Religion played a huge role in cementing the idea that suicide is bad, even when some countries today are free of them, and they became less important. It had affected the way we think as a society on a root level, its been around for thousands of years now.

 

[ThisGameIsOverrated]

Religion played a huge role in cementing the idea that suicide is bad, even when some countries today are free of them, and they became less important. It had affected the way we think as a society on a root level, its been around for thousands of years now.

This is a bit of a chicken or the egg argument since religions were made by humans after all, if anything it's just that our survival instinct is so strong we make belief systems revolved around how life is great and all

I think that there are two main reasons for this:

1. Society needs slaves as well as people who contribute to the system. Even if you aren't in a position where you can work, society can still use you as you are a consumer and hence you are participating in society. Only dead people can't participate in society and they know that

2. People all fear death and worship life. They assume that everybody else is the same and that anybody who claims to want death is saying that against their own autonomy hence they feel like they have to step in and save suicidal people from themselves. Oh also they're just scared to see people kill themselves in general

Complete agree but to add your last point, people always think about suicide in terms of how it'd affect them if it was easy for close ones to CTB. IMO that's why a lot of criticism towards this site focuses on minors, easier to rally people behind that way because most people want to or have kids or have young siblings or young nephew and nieces etc.

 

[EmptyHeaded]

I don't know what Germany is like but I would assume that healthcare professionals such as psychiatrists and therapists can essentially imprison a person should they express the intent to commit suicide(please correct me if I'm wrong). Wouldn't that count as violating this basic right?

They can, yeah.
I'm not well versed in law stuff, but I think you could argue that it does. I can imagine that either nobody has ever brought it to court, or that they argue that since you're "incapable of making decisions" your right-to-die is essentially waived.

 

[lizzywizzy09]

They can, yeah.
I'm not well versed in law stuff, but I think you could argue that it does. I can imagine that either nobody has ever brought it to court, or that they argue that since you're "incapable of making decisions" your right-to-die is essentially waived.

That's such a horrifying thought. Not being allowed to die because you're "incapable" of making decisions. A prisoner in your own life.

 

[ieatcrayons]

Do the people on this forum not realize that for many people suicide is the biggest mistake they will ever make? Respecting suicide as a right is extremely dangerous to vulnerable people. Sure, for some of us the pain is unimaginable and near impossible to break and for these people I can respect the pro-choice argument but many do escape the issues they face and suicide would only immortalize a bad period of their life. It's hilarious how this forum is so quick to jump to hate for capitalist overlords and pro-lifers but can't believe that maybe just maybe some people just want to protect the most vulnerable in society. Hot take, if you need a safe space to ctb maybe you aren't serious about doing it and should consider staying alive.

 

[DeathWish3301]

We can't control coming into existence, but we can decide to end it anytime we wish. In my opinion and I know many others also spoke about this, suicide is the most important right we have as a human. It is the ultimate act of freedom. So some people will get angry if I express this opinion anywhere, but it's purely logical and it's not like i want people to die. I just want to point out that if a person wants to end his life, we as outsiders have no right whatsoever to interfere with his decision. Why do humans always feel the need to help someone who isn't asking for it? help cannot be enforced against one's free will, and if it is- that's not help, that's abuse/oppression.

we're being oppressed by the government and society

Oppression is malicious or unjust treatment of, or exercise of power over, a group of individuals, often in the form of governmental authority or culture.

Oppression is a form of injustice that occurs when one social group is subordinated while another is privileged, and oppression is maintained by a variety of different mechanisms including social norms, stereotypes and institutional rules.

Suicide people are treated badly by the government and society they are treated like criminals under the law they have legalized kidnapping and forced imprisonment and forced drugging and deprived you of privacy, also these psych wards they take you to are not safe places for everyone.

We can't control coming into existence, but we can decide to end it anytime we wish. In my opinion and I know many others also spoke about this, suicide is the most important right we have as a human. It is the ultimate act of freedom. So some people will get angry if I express this opinion anywhere, but it's purely logical and it's not like i want people to die. I just want to point out that if a person wants to end his life, we as outsiders have no right whatsoever to interfere with his decision. Why do humans always feel the need to help someone who isn't asking for it? help cannot be enforced against one's free will, and if it is- that's not help, that's abuse/oppression.

we're being oppressed by the government and society

Oppression is malicious or unjust treatment of, or exercise of power over, a group of individuals, often in the form of governmental authority or culture.

Oppression is a form of injustice that occurs when one social group is subordinated while another is privileged, and oppression is maintained by a variety of different mechanisms including social norms, stereotypes and institutional rules.

Suicide people are treated badly by the government and society they are treated like criminals under the law they have legalized kidnapping and forced imprisonment and forced drugging and deprived you of privacy, also these psych wards they take you to are not safe places for everyone.

Religion, the government and societal conditioning are the things that immediately come into my mind.

It's pretty much universal to every religion that suicide is "wrong" according to them. Religion may be on the decline in the U.S and other parts of the West, but it's still very much a thing, unfortunately.

Dead people don't pay taxes or participate in the workforce. "Suicide is illegal because it's a crime to destroy government property."

I've had a couple of therapists. One was pretty down to earth. I asked him why I'm not allowed to kill myself according to the law. He said "If you want my honest answer, I think it's because of capitalism". It was oddly refreshing for someone in the mental health profession to be that honest.

Then you get idiots who repeat the same cliches they heard from someone else without even thinking about. (I.e: "Suicide is the cowards way out.") Only parroting these cliches because other people have said it.

I think there is a very small minority of people who are anti suicide with good intentions. But they just don't get it.

I've told multiple psychiatrists, social workers, etc I've seen that it's absolute BS that I'm not allowed to end my own life, for reasons that you mention. Always the same response, "Life is always worth living". It's just not the case for everyone.

 

[mrelief82]

I dont know :(, but i feel like I have No right to live and No right to die … its hell.

 

[tweaka2x]

Because other people want us to live hell on Earth and be perfectly fine with it since they are. They are incapable of understanding others way of thinking and are stuck in a reality where suicide is "not good" and "cowardly" an "easy way out" when you all know that is so so far from the truth it's laughable but don't say that because then you'll be a crazy person smh

 

[untothedepths]

I think its because we don't treat life itself very good. You would think that we would treat every life as precious and welcomed into this world since we can verifiably know we only have one. We don't though. Instead humanity fights amongst one another even though we have the ability to likely feed, clothe, and house all the people in the entire world without destroying the landscapes, if I had to guess. I think a better description is, is humanity values suffering. Humanity loves to exploit, lie, and hurt one another without so much as a care in the world. This is why I think that, despite all the logic I can see behind suicide, its not a fundamental right. You'll often see people say stuff like "suicide is weak, you don't have it that bad, somebody always has it worse". While trying to claim that the life humanity has made is totally worth all the pain and suffering, when you get down to it, it can also be interpreted as some sort of badge of honor and pride to keep living. It's like the basic expectation for most humans. No matter how much suffering you go through you have to live it. It's so illogical but that pretty much fits with the hypocrisy and inanity humans are anyways. I could understand the "pro-life" side more if it felt like we come from a genuine place of compassion and not just some sort of rhetoric on the basis of pride, ignorance, and arrogance. If humanity really had more equality, respect, and love for all then I would understand. But because we don't the only reasonable outcome I can see for this is feeding the machine of capitalism and bootstrappy pride. All this really does though is just enabling people en masse to keep this all perpetuated with no change. It's so frustrating to be so close to the peak of humanity but it being held back by some prehistoric bullshit.