Method Why isn't heroin a goto method for more people?

[Øystein]

Hearing about accidental overdoses in regular users is pretty common, yeah, but how come not many suicidal people try overdosing at their first time? Are people really scared of needles? It doesn't sound like those who love it die in agony. It surely can't be harder for people with zero tolerance?

 

[antler]

There's a very real risk of getting the heroin, taking a small, nonlethal dose to test it, and then giving up on suicide and deciding to do more heroin.

 

[Øystein]

Well, at least it'd create a thing to love about life, i guess. How about no testing?

 

[lizinha]

It's not so accessible, you need to know people. And sometimes that isn't even enough. The purity, amount, price etc... all comes into play

 

[Starflow11]

Yeah there are so many variables that come into play. If it's the real deal and potent and given that I have a safe plug, I would be so tempted!

 

[Øystein]

Eh, there's just no truly good simple escape, is there?
Guess that's why we're all here, though...

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

I wouldn't have a clue how to access it or use it, and I don't have enough knowledge about it. From reading threads it seems like there's no way to ensure the purity, so while it might be a great death, it doesn't seem reliable enough to make all the effort and take the risks unless one already has experience with it.

 

[enjolras]

Shouldn't Methadone be favoured as a substitute ? Isn't it the whole point that the purity is supposed to be "controlled" because of "medical grade", handled by doctors ? Was reading the book Final Exit today and it was said extremely lethal.

 

[IrRegularjoe]

Shouldn't Methadone be favoured as a substitute ? I'm no junkie but isn't the whole point that the purity is supposed to be "safer" because of medical grade ? Was reading the book Final Exit today and it was said extremely lethal.

But then wouldn't you have to get addicted to heroin first and then get prescribed methadone. Or are there other clinical purposes.

 

[enjolras]

But then wouldn't you have to get addicted to heroin first and then get prescribed methadone. Or are there other clinical purposes.

Yes, in general. That had been the normal course of action for a junkie friend of mine. I'm wondering if you can get it on the black market though, I'll look.

 

[IrRegularjoe]

Shouldn't Methadone be favoured as a substitute ? Isn't it the whole point that the purity is supposed to be "controlled" because of "medical grade", handled by doctors ? Was reading the book Final Exit today and it was said extremely lethal.

I also have final exit and there are some choice opiates I'd like to get ahold of.

 

[enjolras]

Which ones ? Confirmed that Methadone is found on EM & WHM in pills, capsules or liquid

 

[IrRegularjoe]

Hydromorphone
I don't know if the ones on the dark web are fake.

 

[enjolras]

Hydromorphone
I don't know if the ones on the dark web are fake.

available too

 

[IrRegularjoe]

I saw but sometimes they press pills to imitate the real drug. Final exit has exact dosages. So what would I do if they were imitation and not pharma.

 

[autumnal]

Hearing about accidental overdoses in regular users is pretty common, yeah, but how come not many suicidal people try overdosing at their first time? Are people really scared of needles? It doesn't sound like those who love it die in agony. It surely can't be harder for people with zero tolerance?

Probably not so much a fear of needles, but a belief that injection methods and technique are too complicated for a novice to learn.

Also the unreliability of heroin purity levels, or it being cut with other possibly harmful (but non-fatal) components.

And the illegality of sourcing heroin, as well as safety fears in interacting with drugs users and dealers.

 

[Krash1990]

But then wouldn't you have to get addicted to heroin first and then get prescribed methadone. Or are there other clinical purposes.

No, not at all. All you have to do is have opiates in your system and go to a methadone clinic and tell them you're addicted and have been and need help.

Ie; take one hydroxodone or Percocet a day before and then go in and tell them you've been abusing opiates for years. Bam. You're given methadone.

if you want enough then just tell them that you eat 15-20 hudrocodone/percocets a day for years and they'll give you a pretty high starting dose.

 

[enjolras]

I saw but sometimes they press pills to imitate the real drug. Final exit has exact dosages. So what would I do if they were imitation and not pharma.

Energy Control lab tests both Methadone & Hydromorphone...

+ many more substances

Drug Testing Service | International Energy Control

energycontrol-international.org

 

[InTheAirTonight]

Scared of needles

 

[garbagemonkey]

Being illegal and the risk of prison is a big factor

 

[Shoopie]

Depending on which country you're in, heroin can be cut with all kinds of stuff. In Europe for example, the quality of heroin (brown #3 usually) has gone massively downhill lately. I know, I used to be a very occasional user. The last lot I tried was heavily cut with benzodiazepines (confirmed through a home urine test). You think heroin addiction is bad? Try getting off benzodiazepines. It makes opiate withdrawal seem like a walk in the park by comparison.

My point is, like others have said, unless you can be sure of the purity, and have other CNS depressants to combine with the heroin, it likely will not result in a successful overdose and death. Even though I have access to it, it certainly would never be my method of choice.

 

[Krash1990]

Depending on which country you're in, heroin can be cut with all kinds of stuff. In Europe for example, the quality of heroin (brown #3 usually) has gone massively downhill lately. I know, I used to be a very occasional user. The last lot I tried was heavily cut with benzodiazepines (confirmed through a home urine test). You think heroin addiction is bad? Try getting off benzodiazepines. It makes opiate withdrawal seem like a walk in the park by comparison.

My point is, like others have said, unless you can be sure of the purity, and have other CNS depressants to combine with the heroin, it likely will not result in a successful overdose and death. Even though I have access to it, it certainly would never be my method of choice.

I guess it depends on where you are... but I HIGHLY disagree with this.

Heroin OD IS beautiful. Even if it's laced with benzo's enough and you'll sleep for eternity.

 

[mathieu]

Whenever I've taken big doses of opiates I just sleep it off.. But I don't inject so

 

[Shoopie]

To inject enough heroin to kill yourself is very difficult, you'll likely pass out before injecting enough. I'm not saying it's impossible, nor that it can't be an easy way to go but you'd have to combine it with other depressants and be sure you've got a decent quality. There's no way I'd risk it with heroin that may be only 20%/30% pure. Way too risky.

 

[TheGoodGuy]

Hearing about accidental overdoses in regular users is pretty common, yeah, but how come not many suicidal people try overdosing at their first time? Are people really scared of needles? It doesn't sound like those who love it die in agony. It surely can't be harder for people with zero tolerance?

I don´t get it either in all the documentaries where they interviewed addicts who overdosed they said they just went unconcious and then woke up with the help of Narcan.

And people always bring up the purity as an excuse if you inject 2 grams of street heroin with no tolerance I am sure you won´t wake up and if you want it more pure the darknet is a good source for much purer products than on the streets.

 

[Shoopie]

Here's a link that hopefully helps explain it better than I can.

Heroin - THE TRUTH - Drug Truth Australia

Drug Truth Australia provides the truth about heroin including heroin overdose, its metabolism to morphine, supervised injecting facilities and naloxone.

drugtruthaustralia.org

 

[autumnal]

Why isn't heroin a goto method for more people?

Probably this didn't exactly do a lot for the image either

 

[Gaius_Baltar]

Here's a link that hopefully helps explain it better than I can.

Heroin - THE TRUTH - Drug Truth Australia

Drug Truth Australia provides the truth about heroin including heroin overdose, its metabolism to morphine, supervised injecting facilities and naloxone.

drugtruthaustralia.org

bear in mind the source of the report ..... but that was an absolutely fascinating read


thank you

 

[Shoopie]

bear in mind the source of the report ..... but that was an absolutely fascinating read


thank you

I agree. Plus whilst there looks to be sound advice there, if you click the benzodiazepine link at the top the article says benzo dependence isn't a thing either when it clearly is.

I should add that this was linked in a different thread on here a while ago. It's not my discovery.

 

[BridgeJumper]

There's a very real risk of getting the heroin, taking a small, nonlethal dose to test it, and then giving up on suicide and deciding to do more heroin.

Yeah. I got high on opiates for the first time yesterday and it was bliss, I have never felt so relaxed, numb and comfortable in my entire life.
Instant click in my mind of 'Get high = forget about dying'