Method Why is this method not more popular already? (Shoelace carotid compression)

[kilowatt]

Among a lot other articles on ligature strangulation I stumbled across this PDF that goes in depth about carotid compression with a shoelace sort of device. Reading through it I've seen little flaws considering my past studies on hanging and ligature strangulation. Am I missing something? Would this actually work? I plan on putting it to the test soon.

 

[montanatype]

too much textttttt

 

[Higurashi415]

I'm not a physician, but I recall someone mentioning that the compression could be enough to make you pass out but not enough to actually kill you, in which case you'd survive with brain damage.

 

[omni]

I'm not a physician, but I recall someone mentioning that the compression could be enough to make you pass out but not enough to actually kill you, in which case you'd survive with brain damage.

I feel like in any case where you'd be left with brain damage eventually your body would have to just die right? Is this like improbable? I feel like the concern with not compressing enough is very valid but I feel like that would just be more of a concern as to how long it would take until the point of no return.

 

[kilowatt]

I'm not a physician, but I recall someone mentioning that the compression could be enough to make you pass out but not enough to actually kill you, in which case you'd survive with brain damage.

Quoting this from a similar ligature strangulation guide
''A post vegetative state (PVS) is nearly impossible with this method if done right because sustained carotid occlusion via ligature strangulation destroys the brainstem by brain swelling and herniation. The cases of post vegetative state were mostly observed in victims of manual homicidal strangulation (where the pressure was inconsistently applied and not sustained). In the literature however, there are no cases of PVS from suicidal strangulation. If you have a 30min-1 hour time frame, death is 100% guaranteed though.''
That's the case if the rope if placed incorrectly and you're found shortly after. I haven't heard of registered cases of this happening if the person is left unattended for a few hours, even if the execution was not a proper one. Lack of oxygen to the brain is inevitably fatal if prolonged

 

[Hellis]

Obligatory I ain't reading all that but I know night night and have chosen to assume it's similar.

Carotid compression is hard. Even when I succeed in a half assed attempt to practice (don't do that ESPECIALLY when carotid artery methods) it took me like 20 minutes and hurt during the process. It's not supposed to hurt but I call bullshit, hurt every time. I still struggle to find it even with the practice.

The sensation, while semi pleasant afterwards and better than others, is jarring as fuck. Hard to maintain the will to ctb when your body is actively freaking out about what it just went through. Since finding the carotid arteries is hard to do, you'll have to locate it through the sensation perhaps more than once before going through with the actual attempt.

Also shoelaces are tiny and probably hurt. Yeah yeah, if you do it right it shouldn't hurt, but pain or not you got a lot of intense pressure and a shoelace doesn't have much surface area. You'll feel that even behind your padding.

 

[OzymandiAsh]

I tried ligature strangulation with a very thin rope (thinner than a shoe lace) instead. Even when using padding, it hurt, and also I got the dread exploding head feeling which you're not supposed to get. I was not able to pass out in 20 seconds, it was taking too long and unconsciousness seemed too far. Plus I was still able to breathe, which apparently is normal but I didn't know that.

Bottom line, those are the three main reasons ligature strangulation attempts seem to fail often... direct pain, exploding head feeling or ache, and inability to achieve unconsciousness.

 

[kilowatt]

The sensation, while semi pleasant afterwards and better than others, is jarring as fuck. Hard to maintain the will to ctb when your body is actively freaking out about what it just went through. Since finding the carotid arteries is hard to do, you'll have to locate it through the sensation perhaps more than once before going through with the actual attempt.

I don't really understand this. I've experimented with compression before and I was able to pass out fairly quick (<1 min) and noticed convulsions start barely after I slip out of consciousness. I was aiming for a method of this kind exactly cause SI has little to no time to act up therefore making it a lot smoother. I believe your pain and huge discomfort were mostly because of missing your sweet spot or not applying even pressure. Of course, this method might not be for everyone, but I consider the stuff you mentioned errors in execution rather than flaws with the method yourself, but thanks for your input

I tried ligature strangulation with a very thin rope (thinner than a shoe lace) instead. Even when using padding, it hurt, and also I got the dread exploding head feeling which you're not supposed to get. I was not able to pass out in 20 seconds, it was taking too long and unconsciousness seemed too far. Plus I was still able to breathe, which apparently is normal but I didn't know that.

I believe the recommended thickness for shoelaces is as wide as your fingertip. Ropes too thin and flimsy are harder to manage. I've also felt the exploding head feeling before while practicing but nothing too unbearable during the process

 

[kilowatt]

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[Hellis]

I don't really understand this. I've experimented with compression before and I was able to pass out fairly quick (<1 min) and noticed convulsions start barely after I slip out of consciousness. I was aiming for a method of this kind exactly cause SI has little to no time to act up therefore making it a lot smoother. I believe your pain and huge discomfort were mostly because of missing your sweet spot or not applying even pressure. Of course, this method might not be for everyone, but I consider the stuff you mentioned errors in execution rather than flaws with the method yourself, but thanks for your input

I believe the recommended thickness for shoelaces is as wide as your fingertip. Ropes too thin and flimsy are harder to manage. I've also felt the exploding head feeling before while practicing but nothing too unbearable during the process

Could be my own fault, could be genetics, idk. Not the same for everyone but I've managed to hit the spot several times but never that quickly, always takes a lot of searching.

 

[vira]

I don't really understand this. I've experimented with compression before and I was able to pass out fairly quick (<1 min) and noticed convulsions start barely after I slip out of consciousness. I was aiming for a method of this kind exactly cause SI has little to no time to act up therefore making it a lot smoother. I believe your pain and huge discomfort were mostly because of missing your sweet spot or not applying even pressure. Of course, this method might not be for everyone, but I consider the stuff you mentioned errors in execution rather than flaws with the method yourself, but thanks for your input

I believe the recommended thickness for shoelaces is as wide as your fingertip. Ropes too thin and flimsy are harder to manage. I've also felt the exploding head feeling before while practicing but nothing too unbearable during the process

i tried it as well. not with a shoelace, but as a sweatpants band, same width and everything. i tied it well and whatever, all i got was the exploding head feeling. ive managed to almost pass out w/ hands & neck, but this just didn't work for me. might be because i used a stick to tighten but i didn't even pass out- let alone die. it just didn't work for me, my neck muscles are thin and my arteries are easily located (pots, etc, you get the idea).
oh i remember now, i already tried this but failed. i took photos so maybe i could see why buti didnt get anything out of them.

 

[monetpompo]

too finicky. the post's replies just feel like a testament to how ligature strangulation doesn't work for most people. i tried doing it earlier today and it didn't work, it just gave me the exploding head feeling so i untied myself.

 

[vira]

too finicky. the post's replies just feel like a testament to how ligature strangulation doesn't work for most people. i tried doing it earlier today and it didn't work, it just gave me the exploding head feeling so i untied myself.

the problem is you need to compress it enough to hit the carotids, but that hits literally every other part of the neck unless you have gianormous carotids. so unless you can deal with not swallowing, choking, exploding head, and struggling slightly to breath (only a bit), i guess its for you. but i personally cant see myself seeking this out willingly, half the time it barely hits the carotids.

almost like my body is built to not die... interesting

 

[monetpompo]

@vira unrelated but death note pfp

 

[vira]

@vira unrelated but death note pfp

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death note is the only thing keeping me motivated if im being honest

 

[Steve Vermont]

too much textttttt

It's 95% unhinged rambling by an anti-semite who thinks they are an ethical philosopher. The device they built looks like it could do the job, however, and it is shown in the first few pages.

Its best point is that i can be made out of a shoelace and carried as a back up suicide device.