Why is the Inert Gas Method So Rare?

[Bauhaus]

I plan on lying on the floor with my head propped against a couch. It'll be a little uncomfortable on my neck, but if I "fall" there's nowhere to fall.

Wouldn't it be more comfortable to lay in bed and use enough cushions so you don't lay completely flat ?

 

[bov]

@LetzteAusfahrt what do you think? I worry the body spasming on a mattress, all that bouncing, will pose a higher risk of making something come undone.

 

[LetzteAusfahrt]

Looking at the guide in Peacefull Pill Handbook, it seems kinda complicated to obtain all the right parts for flow control and to ensure that they are set up properly. It needs a fair bit of research.

Dying is no different than life, nothing is given to you.

It's not complicated, on the contrary. But it's a bit technical and therefore daunting for many. If you take some time and research the function of the individual parts on the Internet, you will be able to understand it. Not just the technique, but also the medical part of the method, why you die and how you die.

Understanding is the key to feeling good about any ctb method.

@LetzteAusfahrt what do you think? I worry the body spasming on a mattress, all that bouncing, will pose a higher risk of making something come undone.

@Bauhaus described it exactly as I would do it.

A cramped body moves more on a hard surface than on a soft mattress.

On a soft mattress, the movement can sometimes be divided into two directions

 

[lobster salad]

I think I might use this method, but my local store stopped selling liquid nitrogen. Getting the gas is hard.

 

[LetzteAusfahrt]

I think I might use this method, but my local store stopped selling liquid nitrogen. Getting the gas is hard.

You don't need liquid nitrogen. Just a gas bottle with compressed nitrogen, helium or argon. Usually with a pressure of 200 bar

 

[bov]

You don't need liquid nitrogen. Just a gas bottle with compressed nitrogen. Usually with a pressure of 200 bar

@LetzteAusfahrt What is the most technically challenging part of the set-up process? Is it dangerous to attach the flowmeter regulator to the tank?

 

[LetzteAusfahrt]

@LetzteAusfahrt What is the most technically challenging part of the set-up process? Is it dangerous to attach the flowmeter regulator to the tank?

The most technically demanding part is realizing that there are also left-hand threads that need to be tightened in reverse.

No, it is not dangerous and is probably made a million times a day worldwide

 

[TAW122]

Obtaining an inert gas is not easy for the average person. One would need to go through sources and some sources requires proper credentials for them and what not. Then there is the concern of logistics, such as moving around a large tank of compressed inert gases without suspicion.

 

[LetzteAusfahrt]

Obtaining an inert gas is not easy for the average person. One would need to go through sources and some sources requires proper credentials for them and what not. Then there is the concern of logistics, such as moving around a large tank of compressed inert gases without suspicion.

You're right, of course, it always depends on where you live

 

[Greenberg]

Looking at the guide in Peacefull Pill Handbook, it seems kinda complicated to obtain all the right parts for flow control and to ensure that they are set up properly. It needs a fair bit of research.

If you are interested, there is a truck of info on this method all laid out in my blog. Honestly, it is not as complicated as some have made it to be.

I think I might use this method, but my local store stopped selling liquid nitrogen. Getting the gas is hard.

You definitely want the gas format, not the liquid version.

I can't remember exactly. I think it was probably instruction to have the bag closed not too tight around neck. To have a little room to allow just a little gas to escape so that bag wouldn't fill up & burst.
I'm not good with instructions that are in anyway vague thereby requiring me to except use my judgement. Lack of judgement and all the cognitive impairments that under lie it are why I'm here looking to ctb.
Those of us who are neurodevelopmentally/ cognitively shafted really need something simple & straight forward!.

May I ask if you were using nitrogen or helium?

I think an armchair could be helpfull - At least that's what an exit author in my german description is saying. If the back is adjustable it could even better.
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Absolutely agreeable to your armchair suggestion!

 

[bov]

The most technically demanding part is realizing that there are also left-hand threads that need to be tightened in reverse.

No, it is not dangerous and is probably made a million times a day worldwide

I still think this method is rare!

 

[LetzteAusfahrt]

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I also forgot about the gas, I was thinking of nitrogen but it's lighter than air so the bag would fly in the air. Argon would then be a better choice.

Sorry, nitrogen is NOT lighter than air. The air consists of 78% nitrogen.

Helium is lighter than air.
Argon is heavier than air

And no, the bag wouldn't fly away because the hose is attached to it

 

[Greenberg]

Sorry, nitrogen is NOT lighter than air. The air consists of 78% nitrogen.

Helium is lighter than air.
Argon is heavier than air

And no, the bag wouldn't fly away because the hose is attached to it

Please excuse the correction: atom for atom, nitrogen is lighter than oxygen. Nitrogen (N2) has an atomic weight of just over 14, while oxygen has an atomic weight of almost 16 (O2). An admixture of oxygen and nitrogen should be heavier than nitrogen alone. Therefore, nitrogen is "lighter" albeit only slightly.

 

[Meditation guide]

It's not complicated, there are multiple videos showing how to setup regulators and flowmeters but my guess is that it's too expensive for people

I'm a bright person with lots of abilities and it's too complicated for me. I've been looking at all the flowmeters and regulators, the additional attachment you need so the tubing will attach, trying to find a place that will sell me the gas, thinking where I will store the gas so no one will ask why it's there, what kind of bag or mask to wear etc. It's a bit much.

 

[mapletree]

Can I do this with an old school gas oven/ stove or do I need to do the whole Rube Goldberg setup and stuff

 

[Final Escape]

It can be kind of complicated to do. To ensure that u don't rip bag off head or the tube doesn't slip out before u are dead. It is an effective way to go besides anxiety and survival instinct kicking in right as u are goin through with it. I think u need anxiety meds for this method to be able to relax enough. Might work better if u combine drugs with this.

 

[Greenberg]

Can I do this with an old school gas oven/ stove or do I need to do the whole Rube Goldberg setup and stuff

You definitely need the complete setup of equipment and material. Depending on the quality and sourcing of your setup, it will cost you between $200 to $400. The gas oven or stove equipment is not applicable to this method.

 

[LetzteAusfahrt]

Can I do this with an old school gas oven/ stove or do I need to do the whole Rube Goldberg setup and stuff

I suspect you misunderstood something. I think, your question is about the CO method.

This thread covers the topic of exit bags with helium, argon or nitrogen

Please excuse the correction: atom for atom, nitrogen is lighter than oxygen. Nitrogen (N2) has an atomic weight of just over 14, while oxygen has an atomic weight of almost 16 (O2). An admixture of oxygen and nitrogen should be heavier than nitrogen alone. Therefore, nitrogen is "lighter" albeit only slightly.

There is nothing to excuse, of course you are right.

I omitted the fact that the nitrogen from the gas bottle first has to mix with the 78% nitrogen in the air.
when exiting the exit bag, apart from some CO2 and moisture, it is pure nitrogen, which will behave as you described.

 

[BeBraveBrother]

It can be kind of complicated to do. To ensure that u don't rip bag off head or the tube doesn't slip out before u are dead. It is an effective way to go besides anxiety and survival instinct kicking in right as u are goin through with it. I think u need anxiety meds for this method to be able to relax enough. Might work better if u combine drugs with this.

But on the other hand one should be sure to stay vigilant and focused enough at going through the steps.
I think I will practise the method some days before without the gas in order to get used to the process. And in another practice one could try out getting the right flow rate of gas by using a practise bottle.
So if any Problems should accure one would have enough time to fix them.

 

[nitroautnz]

But on the other hand one should be sure to stay vigilant and focused enough at going through the steps.
I think I will practise the method some days before without the gas in order to get used to the process. And in another practice one could try out getting the right flow rate of gas by using a practise bottle.
So if any Problems should accure one would have enough time to fix them.

The peacefull ehandbook have a detailed chapter about the exit bag and some video that show how to prepare everything. For the right gas flow if you buy the flowmeter from the mad dog brewery it is made in purpose at the rate of 15l/min wich according the the dr Philip Nitschke is the right amount for the exit bag.

 

[bov]

I think it's a matter of access. Since it was recognized as being a common method years ago, access to pure helium has been extremely limited. This was my preferred method a couple years ago, but I no longer consider it a reasonable option. SN is much more readily available now, though who knows for how much longer?

Nitrogen is readily available; why is it not a reasonable option?

But on the other hand one should be sure to stay vigilant and focused enough at going through the steps.
I think I will practise the method some days before without the gas in order to get used to the process. And in another practice one could try out getting the right flow rate of gas by using a practise bottle.
So if any Problems should accure one would have enough time to fix them.

How would you practice without the gas?