I cannot understand the moral panic about this issue and why some people are so obsessed about it despite the fact it barely affects their daily life.
There will be soon a voting on a new German "self-determination law". The purpose is to make the life easier for trans people. I don't know all the details but the thread is not about the specific German law. But many conservatives show indignation about this allegedly dangerous law. It reminds me of the assisted suicide law which failed. It was also about self-determination but had not such a good chance to get passed comparitavely.
I cannot understand why people can become so emotional about this trans topic when they are barely affected. For example the bud light ad controversy. Who cares whether they show a trans person in an ad? Why should anyone care about this? And in the US the moral panic seemingly works to a certain degree. I cannot grasp why people prefer such cultural issues over their monetary interests. I don't give a fuck which company makes "woke ads". Why should I care about such a bullshit? Who has the time and energy to invest time in such a completely unnecssary topic. The M&Ms are not allowed to be sexy anymore. Lmao. And politicians even win elections over such issues. However I don't think this emphasis only on such cultural issues won't work in generals because the debate is way too online and normie voters have more important things in mind.
Personally I have the feeling it is similar to the panic about gay and lesbian people in past decades. For most average people the existence of gay people is now completely normal and is accepted by most people. Also gay marriage is far more accepted. My personal feeling is the same will happen with trans people one day.
There are some fears. That being trans becomes a trend especially in younger generations. I think the same fears were unnecessary in the debate about gay people. Of course more people will out themselves if the stigmatization decreases. But in the long run there won't be a huge percentage of trans people. Trans people are just part of the human nature similar to gay people, intersexual, non-binary etc. The difference betwen sex and gender is here important.
There are concerns about irreversible transitions especially for minors. I read about clinics and the potential of getting sued. I don't know enough about the empirical evidence I read pro and con arguments. From what I have read the operation of the genitals is usually not allowed for minors but I am not sure. Others probably can answer this question. In Germany there are some changes. In the past you had to talk with I think two psychiatrists before operations for adults were allowed and people had to answer questions like "How often do you masturbate?". Which most people considered inappropriate rightfully so.
There are feminists who name several reasons to be against trans rights. They fought for women rights and seem to be scared that their progress is reversed. Their argument is for example that people with evil intentions can easier enter safe spaces of women. There are often hypothetical theories what could happen. Though I think these are rather anecdotes. I don't think something like that happens often.
There are some controversies. Men who pretend to be females who would want to get access to saunas. The impact of transitions on sports competitions. The scenario to escape military service by changing the gender. There are some German specifications to avoid such things to happen. And for me they seem to be reasonable. For example not being able to change the gender within a short period all the time.
Another aspect is probably the language we use. Especially in Germany there is a heated debate about that. The German language favors men in certain aspects and is less inclusive of women. I am not sure where I position myself on that. However if a person wants that I use a certain pronoun I will do that of course. In English I think the debate relating to language is mostly about pronouns. And also her I cannot understand the fuss about it. They say we all have an opinion on language and we have an emotional relation to that. Newspapers get cancelled if they use a certain language inclusive language. I have read an argument of linguists that gender inclusive language has become a social dialect. I am not sure whether that translates well. But people try to show by using such a language that they belong to an academic higher class to diffferentiate from the average person. I think this sounds kind of convincing. On the other hand one could show support for minorities with that language. On the other hand some minorities don't even like terms like Latin X. The language debate is probably even more complex because it is very diffferent in each language. However to use the pronoun that someone wants to be refered to is just a question of politeness and should not be politicized in my opinion.
Then there is a discussion what exactly is a woman. Which is the exact definion? I think this discussions needs many nuances something I won't be able to deliver here.
So I will end it here. I am not that emotionally involved in this debate. At least not as much as other people. But for me these takes seem to be reasonable. If you have a different opinion feel free to disagree with me.
There will be soon a voting on a new German "self-determination law". The purpose is to make the life easier for trans people. I don't know all the details but the thread is not about the specific German law. But many conservatives show indignation about this allegedly dangerous law. It reminds me of the assisted suicide law which failed. It was also about self-determination but had not such a good chance to get passed comparitavely.
I cannot understand why people can become so emotional about this trans topic when they are barely affected. For example the bud light ad controversy. Who cares whether they show a trans person in an ad? Why should anyone care about this? And in the US the moral panic seemingly works to a certain degree. I cannot grasp why people prefer such cultural issues over their monetary interests. I don't give a fuck which company makes "woke ads". Why should I care about such a bullshit? Who has the time and energy to invest time in such a completely unnecssary topic. The M&Ms are not allowed to be sexy anymore. Lmao. And politicians even win elections over such issues. However I don't think this emphasis only on such cultural issues won't work in generals because the debate is way too online and normie voters have more important things in mind.
Personally I have the feeling it is similar to the panic about gay and lesbian people in past decades. For most average people the existence of gay people is now completely normal and is accepted by most people. Also gay marriage is far more accepted. My personal feeling is the same will happen with trans people one day.
There are some fears. That being trans becomes a trend especially in younger generations. I think the same fears were unnecessary in the debate about gay people. Of course more people will out themselves if the stigmatization decreases. But in the long run there won't be a huge percentage of trans people. Trans people are just part of the human nature similar to gay people, intersexual, non-binary etc. The difference betwen sex and gender is here important.
There are concerns about irreversible transitions especially for minors. I read about clinics and the potential of getting sued. I don't know enough about the empirical evidence I read pro and con arguments. From what I have read the operation of the genitals is usually not allowed for minors but I am not sure. Others probably can answer this question. In Germany there are some changes. In the past you had to talk with I think two psychiatrists before operations for adults were allowed and people had to answer questions like "How often do you masturbate?". Which most people considered inappropriate rightfully so.
There are feminists who name several reasons to be against trans rights. They fought for women rights and seem to be scared that their progress is reversed. Their argument is for example that people with evil intentions can easier enter safe spaces of women. There are often hypothetical theories what could happen. Though I think these are rather anecdotes. I don't think something like that happens often.
There are some controversies. Men who pretend to be females who would want to get access to saunas. The impact of transitions on sports competitions. The scenario to escape military service by changing the gender. There are some German specifications to avoid such things to happen. And for me they seem to be reasonable. For example not being able to change the gender within a short period all the time.
Another aspect is probably the language we use. Especially in Germany there is a heated debate about that. The German language favors men in certain aspects and is less inclusive of women. I am not sure where I position myself on that. However if a person wants that I use a certain pronoun I will do that of course. In English I think the debate relating to language is mostly about pronouns. And also her I cannot understand the fuss about it. They say we all have an opinion on language and we have an emotional relation to that. Newspapers get cancelled if they use a certain language inclusive language. I have read an argument of linguists that gender inclusive language has become a social dialect. I am not sure whether that translates well. But people try to show by using such a language that they belong to an academic higher class to diffferentiate from the average person. I think this sounds kind of convincing. On the other hand one could show support for minorities with that language. On the other hand some minorities don't even like terms like Latin X. The language debate is probably even more complex because it is very diffferent in each language. However to use the pronoun that someone wants to be refered to is just a question of politeness and should not be politicized in my opinion.
Then there is a discussion what exactly is a woman. Which is the exact definion? I think this discussions needs many nuances something I won't be able to deliver here.
So I will end it here. I am not that emotionally involved in this debate. At least not as much as other people. But for me these takes seem to be reasonable. If you have a different opinion feel free to disagree with me.
