Why is suicide so complicated for us?

[Soulless Angel]

Of recent, I have seen many stories of people who have either drowned themselves, jumped off a small bridge or over dosed, and all have walked the next path, leaving this world behind them.
Yet here, many a time, we see drowning is hard, OD's can't happen, you have to jump a min of 200ft and so forth...
So how do these people do it?
Surely, now, if you are that determined that your life is to end, then method no longer matters, what matters is the determination and motivation behind it?
What is it about many of us on this forum that find it so hard? Why are we still here, I don't believe in the *there is another reason* or *its not our time* all that is bullcrap, but why is it so many find it easy, yet we sit here still here wondering where we went wrong?

Am I drunk, explain to me, what is going wrong for us?

 

[Trayus]

Survivorship bias, we only hear from those that didn't manage to pull it off. For those that made it, well they cant make forum posts anymore

 

[MariV]

ODs cant happen?

 

[Life_and_Death]

ODs cant happen?

yes but no. its typically long and painful and depending on what you pick (like advil) it just isnt going to happen. ODing is more of a form of self torture

 

[Infinite Conscious]

We are overthinking, trying to go for the overkill, while some people just do it without worrying too much.

If one jumps from the 6th floor or a small bridge, chances are he is going to die... in 95% of the cases.

But we here think too much, probably because we haven't been pushed to the edge yet... and we imagine ourselves in those 5% that would survive and fuck up the rest of our lives. We think - how long is it going to take, what if I feel some pain before I die, what if...

I think it is mostly the mixture of fear, SI and not feeling ready to die yet.

 

[Soulless Angel]

yes but no. its typically long and painful and depending on what you pick (like advil) it just isnt going to happen. ODing is more of a form of self torture

I took a shit load of quetiapine, yea fuck that shit, twitching like an idiot for hours as a result!

 

[k75]

Survivorship bias, we only hear from those that didn't manage to pull it off. For those that made it, well they cant make forum posts anymore

I think a lot is this. It looks skewed, like everyone else can do it but us, but the reality is, it's not easy. But surviving isn't really newsworthy unless there's an agenda.

It seems to be that stupidity and accidents kill more people, and I kind of think that's because the ones who really want to go are intensely aware of what's going on. You have knowledge of imminent death, which triggers SI and also awareness of the cost of failure. So there's overthinking and hesitation, overcompensation... all sorts of things that work against the goal.

 

[Breadbfra]

Overthinking. Survival instinct, fear of leaving beloved ones, fear of a violent death. I noticed the more I think about ctb'ing the more I slip away from it.

 

[Neilg1972]

Of recent, I have seen many stories of people who have either drowned themselves, jumped off a small bridge or over dosed, and all have walked the next path, leaving this world behind them.
Yet here, many a time, we see drowning is hard, OD's can't happen, you have to jump a min of 200ft and so forth...
So how do these people do it?
Surely, now, if you are that determined that your life is to end, then method no longer matters, what matters is the determination and motivation behind it?
What is it about many of us on this forum that find it so hard? Why are we still here, I don't believe in the *there is another reason* or *its not our time* all that is bullcrap, but why is it so many find it easy, yet we sit here still here wondering where we went wrong?

Am I drunk, explain to me, what is going wrong for us?

It is straightforward once we commit to a plan and have the courage to go forward over doses do happen and work I never saw the point in violent methods simply no need so many people fear death I guess if a person has had a success life death is terrifying for us it's comforting I think of life as far more terrifying than death we get to choose our own certainty.

 

[Serio]

Fear of failing etc and of pain tried oding once yeah was puking head spins then bam psyche ward not to mention atleast for me personally there's a lil cousin I care a lot abt and I don't want them to suffer same fate as me Bc of our fam plus like overthinking of what if u fail then ppl will judge u and like yea also like you hear more abt ppl who die then survive Bc ppl who attempt and fail might be to nervous to share thinking ppl will judge them (that's just how I think and why I don't share unless it anonymous) other reasons could be maybe perfectionist you want ur death to be perfect or maybe your afraid to die alone and can't find a partner idk those are just my thoughts on why but I don't really have any answers

 

[Neilg1972]

yes but no. its typically long and painful and depending on what you pick (like advil) it just isnt going to happen. ODing is more of a form of self torture

Not at all fentanyl and tramadol will see to that

 

[Life_and_Death]

Not at all fentanyl and tramadol will see to that

i was referring to most as i was looking into carfentanyl myself at one point.

"typically" and "depending on what you pick"

 

[Disappointered]

It could be because for most who get suicidal they wish their lives had gone better and know that they would not then have been suicidal. So they cling to a faint hope that frustrates the more rationalized determination. I also think there is probably something biological about it. I do believe however, that enough culture can function as well as multilayered brainwashing hypnosis, even if it takes a long concerted effort to shape minds with a specific outcome in mind, otherwise it's hard for things to be subverted too far away from certain preset inclinations and boundaries. A suicide positive culture could, if it served the desires of the ruling classes, greatly reduce human suffering in the future as the long awaited suicide booths could finally become a reality. I'd say fingers crossed but I've already been forced to suffer through an entire lifetime unnecessarily and it won't happen fast enough to to provide me with enough escape from misery to mention at this point.

However, for future generations or even the younger teens here I think the future of suicide culture is looking up. Virtual consensus among ruling sects that christianity is over, medicalization of social problems, reduction of reality and personhood to mechanistic physics in an "biological" robot, reduction of unpleasant mood or too much complaining to brain chemistry and "personality disorder", and emphasis (despite hypocritical about face in other contexts) on genetics to understand the individual. Unless a huge population is really needed for some sort of economic/political purpose I don't see what stands in the way, ideologically, of total acceptance and perhaps eventually celebration of suicide. Some factors might offset things but not entirely, more just slowing the trend down imo.

 

[MariV]

yes but no. its typically long and painful and depending on what you pick (like advil) it just isnt going to happen. ODing is more of a form of self torture

not with OTC ones but others work fine. but yes, its surprising how difficult it is to suicide. its a challenge by itself.however you see hangings and wrists cuttings all the time

 

[Disappointered]

I know this has been brought up elsewhere but I still don't get why heroin overdose (aka just the right dose) has never been proclaimed as a peaceful means of suicide. I'm sure there can be complications but isn't that true of any method including nembutal and SN?

 

[MariV]

I know this has been brought up elsewhere but I still don't get why heroin overdose (aka just the right dose) has never been proclaimed as a peaceful means of suicide. I'm sure there can be complications but isn't that true of any method including nembutal and SN?

heroin drawbacks: availability and administering (iv).

 

[Disappointered]

Well, given that nembutal is now pretty much illegal and impossible to find I'd just as soon do it with heroin. I don't know if "chasing the dragon" is harder to OD on but if not then that also makes heroin closer to nembutal than the PPH seems to indicate as far as recommended options.

 

[MariV]

Well, given that nembutal is now pretty much illegal and impossible to find I'd just as soon do it with heroin. I don't know if "chasing the dragon" is harder to OD on but if not then that also makes heroin closer to nembutal than the PPH seems to indicate as far as recommended options.

yup it is..i ordered it twice and both times got seized at the customs. luckily SN is easy to get in my country. in other countries they have it hard

 

[checkouttime]

I know this has been brought up elsewhere but I still don't get why heroin overdose (aka just the right dose) has never been proclaimed as a peaceful means of suicide. I'm sure there can be complications but isn't that true of any method including nembutal and SN?

fentanyl gets an 80% peaceful rating in the PPH, thats higher than SN(78%)

N is 88%

From what other members have posted, the reason it isn't discussed alot(in the PPH for example) is the increased heat it brings from LE. most/if not all the DW markets don't have it for sale anymore for that reason.

in regards to heroin, it's probably due to the variations in purity. and also the fact, its again one of the substances that brings more heat. I know alot of other drugs are used, but they don't attract the same attention as the 'harder' drugs

Well, given that nembutal is now pretty much illegal and impossible to find I'd just as soon do it with heroin. I don't know if "chasing the dragon" is harder to OD on but if not then that also makes heroin closer to nembutal than the PPH seems to indicate as far as recommended options.

'chasing the dragon' is harder to OD, due to not being able to inhale enough to OD, before passing out

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

I really wish there was a way to see/feel exactly what goes through someone's mind right up until they reach their very last moment alive while using whatever CTB method they have chosen. Livestreams don't seem that reliable as a way to see how someone is truly feeling in a situation...

 

[Disappointered]

Is fentanyl stronger/more peaceful than heroin? Too bad N is pretty much gone if it's even more peaceful than heroin.

 

[checkouttime]

I think even if we knew how one person felt, it wouldn't necessarily be the same for another. so take SN for instance, from the livestreams it seems like the person is making noises and seems to be maybe in discomfort. but if you speak to people that say they have taken it, either to test or making an attempt that failed. they seem to say they were in and out of consciousness and didn't really know what was going on.

I think most of the info is a guideline rather than it being 'set in stone'. i tend to believe the ones where it seems more consistent and the similar to each other. but the others could be the exception to the rules or trying to scare people(make your own assumptions).

 

[Disappointered]

There's livestreams?

 

[checkouttime]

Is fentanyl stronger/more peaceful than heroin? Too bad N is pretty much gone if it's even more peaceful than heroin.

I just found this for you



!Fentanyl is a synthetic opioid painkiller, prescribed to treat severe pain. It is a cousin to heroin, but much deadlier because it is much stronger—50 times more potent than heroin, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The photo to the left shows a lethal dose of heroin, at about 30 milligrams, compared to fentanyl, a dose of only 3 milligrams. In fact, rescuers responding to overdose calls have to be careful—just touching it or inhaling it can be deadly

There's livestreams?

I think some members who have chatted have had members watch them CTB. its not streamed on here though, were not deathflix!!!!!!

 

[ARW3N]

Yes, I find the various posts about methods very strange in the light of people who have no qualms about killing themselves. Suspension hanging, for example, has been used as a method of execution for centuries and is still used in some countries today. Yet, you find endless posts about the seeming complexities and painfulness of suspension hanging.