Discussion Why is someone having tons of posts on SaSu seen as a "red flag"?

[charaunderground]

I didn't learn of SaSu from a certain YouTuber's coverage of it, but it piqued my interest enough for me to become more of a lurker than an occasional visitor before registering. The main thing that irked me about it after realizing the site wasn't anywhere near as bad as that video portrayed, though, was these nearly hypocritical jabs and remarks about how some users have many, many posts on this site — but haven't killed themselves yet. And we all know that this is Obviously proof of some sort of hidden ill intent. Sureeee.

The weird comments I've seen about this in and on the video make no sense to me. Like, you're Against a suicide site. But then folks make implications that you want frequent posters to "get it over with" and CTB because I guess some people think that any sort of waiting or hesitation = not actually suicidal, but sadistic somehow?

I've even seen comments on and off about it on this very site saying things like this too, and like...it's not "suspicious" to me if someone has, say, 1k+ posts. Even if it's some crazy high number like 10k+. There are tons and tons of reasons why someone may have this amount even for more "innocent" reasons (long time user, commenting frequently on posts or even offtopic or recovery forums, site admin or moderator), but even if not, there's still plenty of explanations that aren't just "they're obviously hiding something and are bad for having too many posts" (SI issues, concern over methods, literally can't CTB due to disability or institutionalization, waiting for a better time, passively suidical and not actively, etc).

I remember the video from time to time and still, seriously, do not know why that point was harped on so much. "They don't try and talk users out of CTB! They have tons of posts but are alive so obviously are Up To Something!". You don't have to like the user the YTer even likely referred to to know that argument is weird and weak and can be applied to any user with tons of posts. Plus, it's a pro-choice forum. Unless someone actively says they're being coerced or somehow forced into suicide, or they just attempted and don't actually want to complete it, no one is going to be offering platitudes that they've heard hundreds of times.

I'll probably rack up a lot of posts on this site eventually depending on when I finally buck up and stop being too paranoid to get a gun or SN, but someone having a lot of posts, not talking someone out of CTBing who's dead set on it, or being personally "weird" to you ≠ "evil, bad, sadistic, scary person". I am unsure why this was such a big point of that video, or why I occasionally see such things implied here.

 

[Mirrory Me]

Why is someone having tons of posts on SaSu seen as a "red flag"?

Hm, there were also those posters who made almost 1000- 8000 post in couple of months- it makes people curious, because it's illogical. But to be fair-they have right to post here, unless they break any rules

 

[Ariii]

The simple answer is that they are bias against us, and that this results in cases where any situation that can be twisted to seem bad will be twisted to seem bad. They already have the idea on their heads that this site is a place where people encourage suicide, and that there only exists two types of people on here: those who enjoy encouraging people to kill themselves and those who are vulnerable. This results in the notion that anyone with high post counts are the former, because at their core, those people truly don't understand suicide and how difficult it can be to actually commit. They don't even consider the possibility that high-count posters are just suicidal people who for whatever reason haven't done so, or are jsut seeking refuge in the one place that won't just go "Seek a therapist, youre loved!!," because it doesn't fit their idea of what this forum is

 

[charaunderground]

Why is someone having tons of posts on SaSu seen as a "red flag"?

Hm, there were also those posters who made almost 1000- 8000 post in couple of months- it makes people curious, because it's illogical. But to be fair-they have right to post here, unless they break any rules

I don't mean "red flag" as in the person is seen as mentally ill, I meant more so it's seen by some users (and the creator of the video I'm talking about) as inherently suspect to have a ton of posts. Not because "this person needs help", but somehow "this is a sign that this poster is evil".

 

[Ariii]

I don't mean "red flag" as in the person is seen as mentally ill, I meant more so it's seen by some users (and the creator of the video I'm talking about) as inherently suspect to have a ton of posts. Not because "this person needs help", but somehow "this is a sign that this poster is evil".

I remember a specific comment that stuck out to me, it was something like "Why are there users who've been active for over a year if they aren't being malicious? If they were actually suicidal, they would've already killed themselves." It really stuck out to me at the time, bc it so clearly shows that the people who agree with that video just don't understand it. And I've seen this sentiment reflected elsewhere too, it's exhausting

 

[charaunderground]

I remember a specific comment that stuck out to me, it was something like "Why are there users who've been active for over a year if they aren't being malicious? If they were actually suicidal, they would've already killed themselves." It really stuck out to me at the time, bc it so clearly shows that the people who agree with that video just don't understand it. And I've seen this sentiment reflected elsewhere too, it's exhausting

YES, glad (?) to know someone else has seen it too and I didn't imagine it. Someone could be on this site long term or have tons of posts, and it doesn't automatically equate to "they clearly have bad intentions". Which is a conclusion I've seen not only that creator make, but a couple site members. It'd be one thing if they were actively encouraging suicides or mocking them (IIRC, users have actually been banned for this), but some people talk like being here for over six months or having more than x posts means you're malicious in some way.

 

[EternalShore]

I remember a specific comment that stuck out to me, it was something like "Why are there users who've been active for over a year if they aren't being malicious? If they were actually suicidal, they would've already killed themselves." It really stuck out to me at the time, bc it so clearly shows that the people who agree with that video just don't understand it. And I've seen this sentiment reflected elsewhere too, it's exhausting

Reading the comments of that video has me disgusted~ It always irritates me! :/ All these people are sooo misguided, and I wish I could just show them around and be super nice to them and show them what's actually true! :) But ofc, I obviously can't respond to any of it! >_< My comment would get deleted or reported into oblivion~ :/

I think it'd be neat to be in the top 0.1% of users tho! :3

 

[Ariii]

YES, glad (?) to know someone else has seen it too and I didn't imagine it. Someone could be on this site long term or have tons of posts, and it doesn't automatically equate to "they clearly have bad intentions". Which is a conclusion I've seen not only that creator make, but a couple site members. It'd be one thing if they were actively encouraging suicides or mocking them (IIRC, users have actually been banned for this), but some people talk like being here for over six months or having more than x posts means you're malicious in some way.

It's like they can't comprehend why someone would be suicidal for over a few months. I genuinely don't see a way their critical thinking skills are so atrocious without them just being excited to jump a 'evil' website and just believe whatever narrative is fed to them

 

[KKun]

Don't know what's the video, but it's sounding someone with a bias just making speculations on purposefully uninformed opinions.
Some folks just do not understand why some people might be looking for a "sanctuary" as this one. They already established for themselves that any social discussion area about suicide, it's for people to want to end themselves, with no turning back, so if any one person is lingering around too much they're probably an instigator for the action, some perverse actor, or some such.

It's hard to grasp for some that some people might want a place to vent in an area where they won't be scrutinized by the harsher use of certain terms, and it's clear because whenever I hear critiques to forums like this, they never highlight how in many other places any such kind of discussion is typically immediately shut down and users pushed off the platform.

So they can't process that some people might actually be finding some comfort in a forum like this. That by interacting with people, simply discussing things - Even if it's ways for one to end one's own life - It can actually set one's mind at ease, not leading them to suicide but at the same time being able to offer information on the things that they know and interacting with the other users in general. Ya' know, socializing! As people do! Even if the topic might seem a bit more grim (with is not the focus of 100% of the forums, as there is a space for lighter, positive, recovery topics).

The "red flag" is just some ill will of someone that clearly is unable to place themselves in other people's shoes, because I'm certain they did not take up in investigating those users in detail. If they wanted to label someone with a red flag because they've been here for so long, they should go ahead, find and show factual evidence of why it's such a red flag.

 

[Ariii]

Reading the comments of that video has me disgusted~ It always irritates me! :/ All these people are sooo misguided, and I wish I could just show them around and be super nice to them and show them what's actually true! :) But ofc, I obviously can't respond to any of it! >_< My comment would get deleted or reported into oblivion~ :/

I think it'd be neat to be in the top 0.1% of users tho! :3

Oh my god yes this. Butttttt the creator moderates comments because he can't have any potential nuance in the evil image he painted of us! And it's not just in that one video, it's literally everywhere where these topics are discussed where the main contributors aren't people who have experienced suicide. I've seen people on Reddit upvote comments saying similar things, it's bullshit

 

[Praestat_Mori]

Mhmmm.

Am I a "red flag" bc I have a "ton of posts" here?

I just spend a lot of time here and it rescued me for now.

I hope nobody sees me a "red flag".

 

[astr4]

I just spend a lot of time here and it rescued me for now.

this is what they'll never understand. having you guys here, people who genuinely care and understand and go through the same things, it makes a world of difference in someone's ability to stick around. and there are so many reasons someone might be hesitant and indecisive. and they wanna force these people to make a rash and impulsive and potentially dangerous decision? in the end they only view us (suicidal people) as a burden and a problem to be resolved, not really as fellow human beings to offer empathy to.

for what it's worth, you are a blinding neon green flag, i think.

 

[EternalLight]

From an outsider's perspective, there's a common belief that if someone wants to end their lives, they'd just immediately do it and get it over with. In some ways, that's true, but it doesn't mean that when someone expresses their desire to die over a prolonged period that it's any less serious. What's often misunderstood is that suicidal ideation itself is often a therapeutic response to negative impacts upon somebody's life. The thought of ending your life is more about ending the pain within you than ending yourself, but when you feel trapped and without options, there's a kind of freedom experienced when suicide is imagined.

 

[rozeske]

Maybe we are implementing a secret sinister plan mwahahaha..

 

[Cathy Ames]

People are mischaracterizing the purpose of the site as being a one-stop suicide method shop or something similar. Some site users also do this.

As per the introductory post (or a post by a founder or something similar), the site is supposed to be a safe space to discuss the topic of suicide without censorship. It should be obvious that people who wish to DISCUSS suicide may not all be people who want to CTB ASAP.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

It's because these people have the mentality of "if you really want to be dead, you would have killed yourself already". This is why they can't fathom the idea of somebody saying that they want death but at the same time being unable to ctb. Unfortunately some site members here also think the same thing either due to ignorance caused by privilege or due to still believing in the pro life indoctrination. These people can't understand that suicide is difficult to do and that it's downright impossible for some people to do. A lot of these people genuinely think that suicide is so easy to do because that's just how ignorant they are. People need to come to the understanding that somebody could want an earlier death but at the same time be unable to achieve it. That doesn't make their desire for death any less valid nor does it mean that they want to live. The fact that even some people here have the same mentality on suicide as tantacrul does is so discouraging because it reminds me that these are the people I have to deal with. I joined this site to escape bullshit sentiments like that, not to see it even more

 

[SoulWhisperer]

I personally don't see many posts as a red flag, just as someone who's been around for quite some time here or was very active. If anything I just don't understand how everyone has so many reactions with like 100 posts when I have almost 400 and barely reached 1K reactions in 1-2 years.
They told me they're active in chats but I still find it quite incredible.

 

[ThisIsLife]

And I've seen this sentiment reflected elsewhere too, it's exhausting

And they have the same "reasoning" about those who attempt and fail. I've heard multiple times "if they really wanted to kill themselves they would have succeeded already"... smh.

 

[LostLily]

The simple answer is that they are bias against us, and that this results in cases where any situation that can be twisted to seem bad will be twisted to seem bad. They already have the idea on their heads that this site is a place where people encourage suicide, and that there only exists two types of people on here: those who enjoy encouraging people to kill themselves and those who are vulnerable. This results in the notion that anyone with high post counts are the former, because at their core, those people truly don't understand suicide and how difficult it can be to actually commit. They don't even consider the possibility that high-count posters are just suicidal people who for whatever reason haven't done so, or are jsut seeking refuge in the one place that won't just go "Seek a therapist, youre loved!!," because it doesn't fit their idea of what this forum is

True this website is so misunderstood, I told someone about a website like this and she warned me that there malicious people melon. This place saved me because it allows me to be open and explore my feelings without fear of judgement

 

[ALonelyFreak]

Maybe we are implementing a secret sinister plan mwahahaha..

Why "maybe"? Haven't you been invited to our secret plot?

And they have the same "reasoning" about those who attempt and fail. I've heard multiple times "if they really wanted to kill themselves they would have succeeded already"... smh.

Can't drown cuz no water in lakes/rivers. Can't jump under the train cuz train sucks. Thankfully shotguns are heavily restricted cuz we'd have school shootings. I don't have enough social skills to get onto 10th floor of a building. When you're poor and don't have tons of money to do crazy things planning suicide is hard. And if you don't know suspicious people who sell illegal shit it's even harder. Suicide isn't a simple thing.



Um being here is kinda red flag because you might suicide so it's not good to make a deep emotional connection with you. But besides no. Sorry for being mean but it's better to have a partner who likely won't die soon and even if you don't intent to suicide soon being here makes it look like this.

How to have a lot of posts? It's easy - just have ADHD and 0 control of your talkativeness lol. So like having a tons of posts is more related to your talkativeness rather than being crazy in my opinion.

 

[ThisIsMe1357]

I have also been here for months now...why? Because it is not like I just wanted to jump in front of a train one week after registering? I am simply looking for something peaceful, and that is difficult. It requires a lot of time.

On the other hand, I once read something about a user bragging on Reddit for having thousands of posts on this website while being here with a sole purpose of shutting down sources for other users.

So, even though I understand where some of the reasoning may come from and that there might be a few bad actors on this website, it still seems to me they are but a tiny minority. The majority of people with tons of posts likely have a very good reasons for still being here, and some of those reasons were mentioned in the first post.

 

[Vivir_O_No]

I didn't learn of SaSu from a certain YouTuber's coverage of it, but it piqued my interest enough for me to become more of a lurker than an occasional visitor before registering. The main thing that irked me about it after realizing the site wasn't anywhere near as bad as that video portrayed, though, was these nearly hypocritical jabs and remarks about how some users have many, many posts on this site — but haven't killed themselves yet. And we all know that this is Obviously proof of some sort of hidden ill intent. Sureeee.

The weird comments I've seen about this in and on the video make no sense to me. Like, you're Against a suicide site. But then folks make implications that you want frequent posters to "get it over with" and CTB because I guess some people think that any sort of waiting or hesitation = not actually suicidal, but sadistic somehow?

I've even seen comments on and off about it on this very site saying things like this too, and like...it's not "suspicious" to me if someone has, say, 1k+ posts. Even if it's some crazy high number like 10k+. There are tons and tons of reasons why someone may have this amount even for more "innocent" reasons (long time user, commenting frequently on posts or even offtopic or recovery forums, site admin or moderator), but even if not, there's still plenty of explanations that aren't just "they're obviously hiding something and are bad for having too many posts" (SI issues, concern over methods, literally can't CTB due to disability or institutionalization, waiting for a better time, passively suidical and not actively, etc).

I remember the video from time to time and still, seriously, do not know why that point was harped on so much. "They don't try and talk users out of CTB! They have tons of posts but are alive so obviously are Up To Something!". You don't have to like the user the YTer even likely referred to to know that argument is weird and weak and can be applied to any user with tons of posts. Plus, it's a pro-choice forum. Unless someone actively says they're being coerced or somehow forced into suicide, or they just attempted and don't actually want to complete it, no one is going to be offering platitudes that they've heard hundreds of times.

I'll probably rack up a lot of posts on this site eventually depending on when I finally buck up and stop being too paranoid to get a gun or SN, but someone having a lot of posts, not talking someone out of CTBing who's dead set on it, or being personally "weird" to you ≠ "evil, bad, sadistic, scary person". I am unsure why this was such a big point of that video, or why I occasionally see such things implied here.

Psycho-normies will never understand how bad it can get. They never, absolutely never do.

 

[tiredash]

People are mischaracterizing the purpose of the site as being a one-stop suicide method shop or something similar. Some site users also do this.

As per the introductory post (or a post by a founder or something similar), the site is supposed to be a safe space to discuss the topic of suicide without censorship. It should be obvious that people who wish to DISCUSS suicide may not all be people who want to CTB ASAP.

I dont know if its a misuse of this site, but some people use it to vent and explain their shitty life (me). I feel like Im doing something wrong when I post that and I dont talk about suicide... I think this forum should have a subforum for that too to show that its welcome, or not...

The obvious reply to what I said is to go search other webs about that but I cant find anything, just reddit... And for what I have seen, even in those forums, people are "too normal" to understand most of this. Yes, some are utterly fucked, but most arent this deep into shit and the replies will be mostly "it gets better" or "work on yourself" and any of that type of shit.

 

[TAW122]

I think it is just a prejudiced view that is fueled by ignorance and even untrue narratives. I think what @ijustwishtodie and @EternalLight really made good points, that people who are going to CTB may or may not have the means or any myriad of factors; though it doesn't diminish their intent or willingness to CTB. They may be playing the long game. As for myself, while I've been a part of SaSu for a long time, I'm just waiting for the most ideal time and circumstance before I decide to metaphorically and literally pull the trigger. I want to make sure I have no regrets, no doubts, and ensure I leave as much as I can on my own terms (the place, timing, method, and circumstances).

 

[WhiteRabbit]

I believe the video you're referring to is talking about Funeral Cry specifically.

 

[John_Galt]

Even with high posts one has many reasons to stay, Survival Instinct doesn't discriminate on a 8,000+ Post member - and maybe that person is bidding their time for many reasons but still wishes to be in contact with like-minded individuals because no where else will accommodate that kind of person, Maybe they keep posting waiting for method or There pet/parents to die or to get a method in order so they don't have to trouble them.

Many reasons, I agree its not for an nefarious purpose, but many factors that people will not comprehend until they are in the same position

 

[ThatStateOfMind]

I have been a long time user of this site and have accumulated over 1,000 posts, which is insane to think about for me. I haven't killed myself because a lot of that time, I held onto some hope, and was more passively. I'm more active now but still waiting to make sure it isn't situational. If it's not situational, I'll probably start actively planning my exit (method, notes, etc.) but until then, I'm just here.

Point being, you can be here and have a huge amount of posts. It doesn't indicate malice or ill-will towards anyone. It sounds to me like that thinking is simply an excuse to vilify this site and the people on it. SI doesn't care about who you are, most will experience it in some form, and for some, it's extremely strong. Only when your suffering outweighs your SI, can you typically take such actions.

 

[avalonisburning]

Frankly, you're wasting time and dignifying the outsiders too much by trying to pick apart and take down the arguments they make against this site. They're arguing in bad faith. They're not trying to reach mutual understanding by asking these questions. They're not going to go "Ah, I was mistaken! My bad." if we showed and explained to them the myriad of valid reasons why some users here have a lot of posts. They'll just quietly pivot to another point they can use to discredit or demonize us.

They want to take this website down, because they consider us a threat. That's the extent of brainpower they're putting into this. Every video they make, every question they ask, is intended to bring them closer to that end, while making themselves look like heroes and concerned citizens.

I've been sad. I've been down in the dumps. I've been actively suicidal. But few things in life outright lower my ceiling of happiness quite like engaging with those assholes. They're so smug and transparent in their "concern and compassion" that it's soul-sucking. They're like cops.

 

[betternever2havbeen]

They believe this site is full of "bad actors" who hang around here as some sort of hobby to push other people to CTB. I don't even know if that's a thing. I don't see how anyone would really have a motive for that. And if they did I think it'd be far more obvious. I know there has been the odd person taking advantage, but I think that's true of any site with thousands of members. But that's an individual thing and they bear full responsibility for their actions, it's not the site being an orchestrated place to do that.

I will say it's hard to explain why I've not CTB yet, I certainly didn't expect to still be here now but nothing scares me more than the dying process. It's basically the worst part of life so as much as I hate life, taking the plunge and going through that last bit of suffering is tough. All I can say is if you don't put huge amount of effort and will into CTB then time happens, and it happens quicker than you think and then here you still are. I don't know about stats but I'd wager most people who go through with it HAVE been suicidal for literal years. They do so many mental gymnastics in their head to make people on here either victims or predators. This site keeping people around should be a good thing but they gloss over that, any long-term member was never suicidal to begin with in their eyes. I mean who the fuck made them experts in mental health that they think they can diagnose people?!

I tried to rebut that video when it came out but of course he deletes all comments not fawning over what a hero he is for condemning the site. I'm always saying we have no voice and it's so true. And I'm so sick of the non-depressed being able to encourage suicide like that just because they think they're on the "right" side. They certainly make me want to do it more than anyone on here does when they try and goad me/others like that and I don't care if it's a double bluff or they're trying to prove a point, just don't go there.

 

[Opera]

I personally was aware of this site from a video "exposing" it, and after joining it I just think it's exaggerating. The fact is that there ISN'T a place for us. We get told over and over "don't do it" but when we are struggling and want help..... there isn't any. They only care when we are going to CTB. Never when we are suffering and by then, when we chose to go through with it, we already made our mind. It's so gross.