why is SN method so complicated

[anyoneshorizon]

this pill at this time this pill at that time repeated 8 times. Don't eat. also, take this pill at exactly this time and then pour this specific amount of water and sn.
Is there a way I can just not eat take an antiemetic and then the sn without the committed and complicated schedule? I want something impulsive but i don't have a gun and I won't jump off a building. Is there a pill i can take or soemthing

 

[Mofreeko]

If you don't do it properly it could fail or make you suffer much more than you need to.

 

[Cryptonite]

You can do the stat dose, which takes like 1-2 hours. Or you can just take SN immediately and hope you won't vomit. But at least use painkillers.

BTW, impulsive suicides often fail, long-term plans tend to be much more successful.

 

[LaVieEnRose]

There is a science to killing yourself. The protocol is designed to maximize your chances of a sucessful attempt with minimal discomfort/pain.

 

[AnonymousRobin]

i think the details are easy to follow if you get medicines especially compared to methods like exit bag if i want peaceful ctb with no vomit or being saved then i can wait an extra 8 hours to not eat and take medication :)

 

[Hollowillow]

The anti vomit drug can cause vomit. I can't take it?

I read that you can just take SN and prepare an extra dose in case of vomit. I'll buy 4 doses.

I might take the anti acid if it boosts absorbtion... Pain killers don't work on me... I'm fucked...

 

[akirat9]

go out of way to make seem sn not reliable
hard to tell; doom to be mocked

 

[anyoneshorizon]

go out of way to make seem sn not reliable
hard to tell; doom to be mocked

im sure its reliable im just scared. i feel like what if i take everything then i decide not to take the Sn.

 

[👁️👃👁️]

The anti vomit drug can cause vomit. I can't take it?

I read that you can just take SN and prepare an extra dose in case of vomit. I'll buy 4 doses.

I might take the anti acid if it boosts absorbtion... Pain killers don't work on me... I'm fucked...

it doesn't boost absorption.

 

[Shiny]

I definitely understand it can be frustrating to see all these steps and other things to stand in your way, when all you really want is to end your life. But it's important to remember that impulsive suicides are the most often failed ones. They don't provide a list of very specific step-by-step instructions because they want to torture you with details. The details are there so you can do it correctly the first time, without a need for further attempts.

There's even a mega thread on here with personal accounts of people who failed. A lot of people just mixed the SN with water and drank that without taking anything else, and almost all of them were failures because they were found before CTB or called for medical assistance themselves--not because they didn't follow the steps to a T.

The most important thing with SN is that you take enough and keep it down. Everything else listed there is the best possible way for you to achieve that. It can be a frightening to actually go through with it, but it's important enough that I'll say it twice: the most common failed attempts to CTB are the impulsive ones. It's absolutely imperative to do it correctly the first time.

 

[Hollowillow]

go out of way to make seem sn not reliable
hard to tell; doom to be mocked

Me? I have multiple chemical sensitivity. How did you think I felt when I got hit by a car and couldn't take pain killers. It felt like being beaten by basebal bats in the head every second, day and night, for the first 5 days. And then it was constant agony, I lost count.

So people who say I'm fear mongering... You haven't seen death yet. I shat myself in pain.

I want to try SN but the way my body can't bear drugs it could go super wrong for me.

We're not all the same.

Doomed to be mocked? Just wait until you meet real death.

im sure its reliable im just scared. i feel like what if i take everything then i decide not to take the Sn.

I'm scared too. I think only the SN is deadly. Changing your mind & wasting a few bucks is fine. Changing your mind after jumping... Eeeh...

it doesn't boost absorption.

Someone might have said yes, now it's no longer recommended? What boosts absorbtion? Or speed?

I definitely understand it can be frustrating to see all these steps and other things to stand in your way, when all you really want is to end your life. But it's important to remember that impulsive suicides are the most often failed ones. They don't provide a list of very specific step-by-step instructions because they want to torture you with details. The details are there so you can do it correctly the first time, without a need for further attempts.

There's even a mega thread on here with personal accounts of people who failed. A lot of people just mixed the SN with water and drank that without taking anything else, and almost all of them were failures because they were found before CTB or called for medical assistance themselves--not because they didn't follow the steps to a T.

The most important thing with SN is that you take enough and keep it down. Everything else listed there is the best possible way for you to achieve that. It can be a frightening to actually go through with it, but it's important enough that I'll say it twice: the most common failed attempts to CTB are the impulsive ones. It's absolutely imperative to do it correctly the first time.

Is it possible that the extra drugs are for comfort? If drugs make me sick and don't work... Can I just drink DN on an empty stomach with the correct amounts? What is the most important drug to die? Someone said they puked the anti puke before they could try sn. I totally will too.

 

[Cryptonite]

You can see CBT as a huge project that requires a lot of hard work.

 

[akirat9]

Me? I have multiple chemical sensitivity. How did you think I felt when I got hit by a car and couldn't take pain killers. It felt like being beaten by basebal bats in the head every second, day and night, for the first 5 days. And then it was constant agony, I lost count.

So people who say I'm fear mongering... You haven't seen death yet. I shat myself in pain.

I want to try SN but the way my body can't bear drugs it could go super wrong for me.

We're not all the same.

Doomed to be mocked? Just wait until you meet real death.

I'm scared too. I think only the SN is deadly. Changing your mind & wasting a few bucks is fine. Changing your mind after jumping... Eeeh...

Someone might have said yes, now it's no longer recommended? What boosts absorbtion? Or speed?

Is it possible that the extra drugs are for comfort? If drugs make me sick and don't work... Can I just drink DN on an empty stomach with the correct amounts? What is the most important drug to die? Someone said they puked the anti puke before they could try sn. I totally will too.

no you step, why do this ? still insist sn is 100% failure ? so you say i i prepare everythign stand guide correctly i will still fail, i wasted pay from IC ?
no think so

You can see CBT as a huge project that requires a lot of hard work.

i say before doom to be mock
by failed suicide sn by if rescue mocked for suicide attempt failed
so is part not taken sn yet, is what know it can do; i see other thread, give little assure

 

[hunterfla]

All of the extras are for comfort. If you take 15-20g of SN and don't vomit it up, you're as likely to cbt as any other method. Yes, the painkillers, antiemtics, etc., will make it more tolerable, but there aren't many people who can take copious amounts of SN (without vomiting) and live to tell about it. I'm not promoting the method for anyone, but people seem to want to make it more complicated that it needs to be (such as with most things in life) but don't get hung up on timing, quantities, other things. xoxo

 

[akirat9]

people seem to want to make it more complicated that it needs to be (such as with most things in life) but don't get hung up on timing, quantities, other things. xoxo

is always not easy die part
when may some thing linger in the mind while preparing SN

 

[hunterfla]

is always not easy die part
when may some thing linger in the mind while preparing SN

I'm not saying that the choice to cbt is easy...overcoming SI is incredibly difficult. I'm simply saying that the SN method itself isn't as complicated as people like to make it seem - once you have the determination and will to proceed.

 

[almostdone]

honestly, failed SN attempts are so rare as long as people don't get hospitalized. All the extras with the method are mostly just for comfort. 2 grams will very likely kill someone as long as they're not found, but the method is designed to get the body to absorb a good 20 grams so that it happens faster. Personally, my plan is just to take some benadryl and some tums, make 2 glasses (1 as backup in case I vomit) of SN with some splenda so that it tastes like gatorade, and call it a day.

 

[akirat9]

I'm not saying that the choice to cbt is easy...overcoming SI is incredibly difficult. I'm simply saying that the SN method itself isn't as complicated as people like to make it seem - once you have the determination and will to proceed.

well is be since says you need so many extra or will fail, antiemetics bla, bla, not all have, just want to take and die

 

[gimzero]

Where i live every suicide is by hanging method so i never read anyone who try sn wich is not easy and the theme is if you failed then is it worth it!

 

[Hollowillow]

Where i live every suicide is by hanging method so i never read anyone who try sn wich is not easy and the theme is if you failed then is it worth it!

Do you think hanging succeeds well? I wanted partial hanging. But Ibgave a neck & brain injury... I wish someone PMed me a cheaper source than IC?

 

[lionetta12]

this pill at this time this pill at that time repeated 8 times. Don't eat. also, take this pill at exactly this time and then pour this specific amount of water and sn.
Is there a way I can just not eat take an antiemetic and then the sn without the committed and complicated schedule? I want something impulsive but i don't have a gun and I won't jump off a building. Is there a pill i can take or soemthing

Every method is complicated in their own way and require some kind of planning for the most part. Jumping? Not very easy while clear headed and sober as SI will kick in, same for drowning. Overdose? Hard to not end up calling the ambulance from the pain you will endure from most overdoses and all the vomiting. Hanging? Need to spend forever finding the sweet spot if partial, spend long time to find perfect rope for long drop, perfect location and to get it done right without choking to death. Gun? Need to have some knowledge to even excecute that one right too and planning. Nothing in life is easy, I hate it.

 

[1000winds]

thats the beauty of this forum. so many methods and you just have to pick the one that is less scary or less complicated for you.

 

[Sad_Sack]

Its complicated and honestly does not sound peaceful at all. I was considering this method for awhile but too much of what I read changed my mind. That's just me though.

 

[Made4TV]

Every method is complicated in their own way and require some kind of planning for the most part. Jumping? Not very easy while clear headed and sober as SI will kick in, same for drowning. Overdose? Hard to not end up calling the ambulance from the pain you will endure from most overdoses and all the vomiting. Hanging? Need to spend forever finding the sweet spot if partial, spend long time to find perfect rope for long drop, perfect location and to get it done right without choking to death. Gun? Need to have some knowledge to even excecute that one right too and planning. Nothing in life is easy, I hate it.

Lionetta12 I think you've hit the proverbial nail here. In my opinion, it should require thought and planning and steps (providing you are moderately able bodied or mentally aware enough to follow directions to some degree). I don't think it's something that should be done impulsively. I think the people left behind deserve more than that, to be honest. It's crushing to them to think that if they had just texted you at the right moment, or come over instead of just texting, or whatever, that they/you could have stopped an impulsive urge that changed their whole life. A more dedicated plan I feel might be easier for some loved ones to accept, eventually (I know everybody has their own difficult situations, but in general...)

I think a decision that ends your life, that ends your influence on those you care about, that creates grief for those around you, that removes the object of their love, should be given a lot of thought. And I realize some people feel they have nobody that loves them, and they aren't connected to anybody. I know that happens, and exists in this shitty world. I'm not trying to discount your experiences. Also, please don't mistake this as not being pro-choice, because I firmly am. I have my own SN on the back shelf just in case. Just putting it out there...my views on why things are hard and why I feel they maybe should be.

 

[damaged_soul]

Yeah that's the only thing I don't like about SN, is that it can't really be done impulsively. If all the impulsive methods (hanging, jumping, shooting etc) weren't so horrific, I'm pretty sure I would have been gone by now. That's one of the reasons I feel like N is the best method: it doesn't require the same planning as SN yet it is peaceful unlike the other impulsive methods.

 

[Mofreeko]

That's one of the reasons I feel like N is the best method: it doesn't require the same planning as SN yet it is peaceful unlike the other impulsive methods.

Uh... yes it does. You still need to fast and take antiemetics for N. The regimes are basically identical.

 

[damaged_soul]

Uh... yes it does. You still need to fast and take antiemetics for N. The regimes are basically identical.

Wait what??? Are you sure??? I thought there's no need to do anything fancy for N since it doesn't cause symptoms. I doubt anyone even vomits from N unless its from the bad taste

 

[Jupit3rs]

Ending your life is a whole process. I think SN is great, there's clear instructions and the consequences of failing are nothing compared to other methods (like hanging for example, this is my way bc i have no choice). Its better to be prepared, at least for me, chances of something going wrong reduce if you plan ahead.

 

[Forever Sleep]

Honestly- I see it a bit like going in for an operation. It's likely the most complex thing any of us are contemplating putting our bodies through and we're doing it on our own. (When you consider only 1 in every 25 ctb attempts results in death- any method can go wrong.)

I agree, it does seem overwhelming and massively frustrating because the various ingredients are made to be difficult to come by. Still- no one is saying you HAVE to get this or that. Seems like some people have taken SN on it's own and it has worked. Some people have and it has failed. It might work, it might not. The choice- and risk is yours at the end of the day. No one can guarantee/ reassure the outcome either way. Personally speaking, if I were to attempt anything, I would want to follow the guidelines as closely as possible because I feel like they give the best CHANCE of success.

I may well not be correct here- I'm writing this largely based on memory but I believe the new PPH handbook has reduced the recommended process to fasting, metoclopromide and SN as the basic regiment.

Again I might be wrong here but this is how I understand it- both the fasting and especially the dehydrating and the antiemetic encourage the body to absorb as much of the SN as possible and keep in down long enough to take effect. The additional things are there to help the SN take effect.

I agree- it's massively frustrating that death is so difficult but I'm starting to see a shitty pattern here- life has required massive amounts of effort and sadly- it looks like death does too.

 

[Looking4Answers]

Its not the simplest, but from what ive seen obtaining SN is the most difficult part. At least for me it is.

The rest is just a little bit of time management and research