Discussion Why is SaSu and suicide discussion met with such hatred?

[sadidiot0328]

If you even mention you are passively suicidal, you're met with anger, sadness, or dismissal. If you tell a doctor or therapist, you have a chance of being hospitalized and your duration is at the mercy of a professional who doesn't even care about you all that much.

Websites like these are the only place you can discuss suicide and receive rational responses from people who struggle with the same thing. It's a breath of fresh air to be honest. And yet, this website is spat at with vitrol, with thousands calling for it to be shut down. The Tantacrul video made it even worse, even when a well-thought out rebuttal was given. I hate how this sitr is viewed as horrible and evil , but for some may be the only place they can vent and receive advice.

 

[tiger b]

Moral outrage is easily harvested amongst those who skim the surface of social issues. It's a quick and easy emotional payoff with little time wasted in 'understanding' or 'critical thinking'.

 

[Neogoloid]

Because most people are close minded and aren't willing to open their eyes and explore perspectives and ideas that may challenge their own, or don't conform to the set social norms and expectations.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

Well, websites like this are vehemently opposed because of the fact that there are methods that are part of the discussion here hence why some news outlets have taken the effort sensationalise and demonize this forum to whatever extent.

Cases like Shawn Shattos and some others haven't helped so the drive to see this website shut down seems to be because it's encourages people to ctb when it doesn't even do that and because people out there seem to really believe that once this website is shut down, people will have less reason to ctb but won't just take away how important this place is to all of us, many have stated this website was the very reason they kept going, either because they realized the methods they had at their disposal weren't good at all or because of the communion and shared thoughts around suicide that is not shared elsewhere in a safe space offline.

Suicide is something many people can't wrap their heads around because it challenges the perception that despite all the problems we have, life is still worth preserving but only we can decide that. To have a calm, reflective and honest discussion about suicide in this society is just not possible right now due to how much of a taboo subject it is despite mental health campaigns wanting it to be more of a norm to discuss. People just can't allow their perceptions to challenged.

This forum exists because the outside world isn't doing a good job to supplement systems places to actually help people, like actually help in ways that aren't limited to psychiatric evaluation but maybe even taking care of basic needs because we all know financial problems can heap on the internal issues we have to wake up to everyday. It's a reaction to a world that didn't get it together to do what it could to help, simply talking to people these days doesn't make it easier either because some people may not be receptive to the idea of discussing suicide at any length because to "give up" on life would be seen as taking the life whatever God gave you and throwing it back at its face even if this life isn't something we asked for or some other reason. Society has just conformed to this idea, whether through religiosity or any other outlet, that suicide is terrible without even understanding why there is such a thing our society outside of a person who is mentally ill and can't think or act clearly upon their autonomy.

 

[gbi2]

Binary thinking is easy and preferable to most people. You are either with them in an entirety of a discussion or you are against them.
So you are either for preventing suicide or you must be pro suicide. They don't see any inbetween because it means they have to think to understand it.

I had an appointment today and I was asked if I was feeling suicidal and planning it. I said no and then said last time I tried it was impulsive and explained what led to it including the absolute letdown of services I was told would be there to help m, such as the Medical Centres web based help form which I was told to use if I needed help in future and they would see it was me and get back to me that day (obviously they said phone Samaritans for immediate suicidal thoughts though). I tried to use the form and when I submitted it it returned an error stating they they don't subscribe to this service. That alone is part of a wider problem I am struggling to accept, that when things change, no-one thinks to cascade the information down to people it would affect. No-one. It happened at the hospital I worked at too. So many cancelled appointments just because people didn't think to keep others informed of changes they were making that affected them. Not Covid or any of the crap we've been told. Just very very poor communication and incompetence.

Got off track a bit there, but they asked if I had anything prepared or am I actively looking for anything that I would use and I said things like, I have curtains, my car, I could run and hit my head on a wall really hard, jump from the local bridge or cliffs, and I suppose all they could do, or all they felt they needed to do is say they will speak to my two therpista and see what more help I can get. Oh, she also asked what is stopping me and I said there are occaisonal glimmers of hope, though they keep proving to be nothing, but the latest one is that the DWP seem to have acknowledged they have underpaid me Universal Credit so I might get that sson after I attend an appointment. By the time she left, I had a message from DWP cancelling the appointment and I don't know why.

I mean going by my experience, we could flip it right round and say people who are against this site are against solutions for mental health, because they don't seem to be finding any.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

we could flip it right round and say people who are against this site are against solutions for mental health, because they don't seem to be finding any.

If they were then this website would cease to exist or wouldn't have the same necessity it has now for so many people who come here.

 

[Seered Doom]

The people who are against this site only want certain types of depressed people instead of being fine with many types or even acknowledge that it's a spectrum. If we weren't always censored for talking about nsfl content regarding OUR OWN FUCKING EMOTIONAL AND MENTAL STATE or just memed off as edgelords, then that's a completely different story. I even know others in a server I'm in unrelated to Sasu that say doomers piss her off and I've not the heart to tell her why I disagree with her saying that.

 

[LonelyStarrySky]

They are just not willing to hear us out and our struggles. I think this is the place I needed in life because I want to end it all at some point in my life. And honestly if this place got taken down then I would CTB even earlier than I would with the support from this community. I honestly think that the way mental health is demonized in society and the risk you run with getting hospitalised are really high and I don't think its going to change any time soon. This society and the news media are just not here to hear anything anyone of us says, but they try to make sensetionalised media to get people to read and promote pro-life agenda because it gets clicks. For them you are just another suicidal subject who is "mentally ill" and should not be given a voice to state what you actually believe about everything. You will never be heared or listened in their eyes. Despite them always saying "reach out, and call for help" Thats a bunch of rubbish and stupidity. I think that it is disgusting and disturbing that this is the way suicidal people seeking real help is looked at with criticism. I know that after I CTB people will look at me "as a very distrubed individual, crazy, died so young, should have recieved help, we knew this was gonna happen". And honestly most of the time I did talk about suicide outside I was greeted with pro-life nonsence that I just couldn't even express any of my opinions and this ironically made me want to CTB even more and hide myself even more. This is why this website is important to me.

 

[Unsure and Useless]

I think people just need a scapegoat for their grief. I believe FixThe26 started due to one of the founder's loved ones deciding to CTB while they were on this website. Rather than finding healthier ways to manage their grief, loyal members of FixThe26 decide to take their anger out on suicidal people to make themselves feel better for inane reasons.

"These strangers on the Internet killed my child!"
Even though nobody on this site, to my knowledge, has explicitly encouraged someone to CTB. If anything, anytime someone asks whether they should, the most common responses are either "You should take the time to think about this and, while you're doing that, check out the Recovery forum" or "It's your life, so it's up to you."

Both of these responses don't tell the person to CTB. The first, while not aggressive in the way pro-life sentiments are, is discouraging suicide while the second acknowledges that they have the right to choose whether or not they should CTB.

Even if they did ultimately CTB, this site wasn't the thing that pushed them to come to that conclusion; they got there on their own. To someone who has already decided to CTB, SaSu is merely a means to an end, nothing more and nothing less.

"It's wrong to not help someone who is suicidal!"
By what? Locking them in a mental institution and dismissing their motives for suicide? Not only that, they're met with disdain and prejudice the moment people find out!

Suicidal people aren't children. They don't need an outsider to guide them onto the "correct path." If they do not want help, then that's the end of it. If they do want help, they certainly don't need patronizing individuals assuming that they know everything about their situation to have the gall to make promises that may not be fulfilled.

Plus, like I mentioned earlier, there's a Recovery forum. There are plenty of people over there who are willing to help suicidal people who want help, and hell, I'd even be bold enough to say that their help is more beneficial than the "help" these pro-life people forcefully shove down people's throats!

Ultimately, it's not about "helping suicidal people." It's about power, releasing their anger out on people they deem lesser than them, and slacktivism.

Instead of getting to the root of the issue and advocating for fixing things that are driving people to suicide, they'd rather be on Facebook posting about how evil these suicidal people are for allowing people to have the choice of deciding whether or not they want to CTB and doxxing them. That way, they can get that "feel good" sensation from doing their "good deed of the day" that, to them, makes them a better person than everyone else.

Shutting down this website is another way for them to exert their power at the end of the day.

 

[R_N]

Humans can't come to terms with their own mortality.

 

[username8888]

Interacting with pro-life people irl gives me cringe induced hemorrhage.

 

[Kasumi]

To put it simply, they are scared that we exist cause they can't wrap their heads around it.
And they, as so many others, have trouble to simply accept things that they don't understand.

 

[LaVieEnRose]

Because young members have died.

 

[Abandoned Character]

I've told my therapist about my thoughts of suicide.

But I was clear that I did not have an active plan, nor the means, as well as an active support group, so my therapist didn't really press the issue.

The suicidal ideation was an important detail to bring up when discussing my lack of purpose and self-confidence issues, so I definitely think in the right context it can be met with open-mindedness.

People will fear what they do not understand, and this website is no exception.

 

[Kasumi]

oh I told my therapist that I'm essentially ready to go any day, that said I live in EU and patient privacy is better by miles compared to the US..
and she's very professional, essentially doesn't get personal about it, trying to stop me with platitudes or trying to build some personal connection.
Essentially the only possible way for her to tell anyone is if I told her speficically that I was immediately about to ctb,.. which obviously I wouldn't do.

And after I told her that I don't plan to actually ctb for the coming weeks / months, tho would like to be prepared for the worst, we didn't have to talk about it ever since, she just told me "alright, just tell me if your thoughts on that change".

 

[Jinxyxx]

Because losing someone to suicide is extremely painful and traumatizing. When something like that happens to you, you keep searching for a person to blame. You start analizing everything to find out some more details, anything at all. Imagine you lost someone to suicide and then you find out that theyve been using this site before they cbt. You dont know almost anything about this site but you see people on here telling them about how suicide is a valuable option and how to do it without getting caught.
I think a lot of people that lost their loved ones blame this site for it. And i can understand that. This is just my opinion though.

 

[Beyond_Repair]

Moral outrage is easily harvested amongst those who skim the surface of social issues. It's a quick and easy emotional payoff with little time wasted in 'understanding' or 'critical thinking'.

Well said

 

[Forever Sleep]

People and especially parents are afraid to lose their loved ones to suicide. I imagine they hate anything which legitimizes suicide as an option. To go further and provide method information I imagine worries them even more. I think quite a few people are put off enough by the brutal methods most well known to us without access to the internet- jumping, train, slashing wrists, possibly hanging. I suspect that things like SN make people more likely to attempt because of the hope that it will be less painful/brutal. Pro-lifers don't want us to know about stuff like this. Ultimately- I think they don't mind how we are trapped here- so long as we are.

 

[Kore]

We all know we are careening towards the abyss, down to the core of our genetic makeup we are programmed to be terrified of anything that can harm us. I guess all life, even non-sentient, are aware that they could die at any moment.

If you try to speak to people about it, they shut down, turn on you, refuse to even discuss the topic. My working theory is that it's just the same way we flinch from a hot surface - it's the mind's defense mechanism to avoid seeing the truth. When we talk about suicide, it's like the other persons brain enters a new mode, and you can only be mentally sick and need to be locked up and monitored.

I think all people get 'dark thoughts', ie start asking the real questions and just touch the edge of the answers, but most people contain them, refuse to even acknowledge them. Maybe it's because they know deep down that once they answer those questions, there's no going back. Once the blindfold comes off…

 

[FuneralCry]

Because those people lack any compassion and are very delusional. People who insist that other people must suffer no matter what disgust me, trying to make suicide as inaccessible as possible is evil to me.

Just because they see death as the worst thing ever and worship this futile and cruel existence, doesn't mean that this view applies to everyone as other people aren't them and other people's decisions aren't any of their business. They cannot experience existence in the same way as others after all.

For me death is the only relief, I will always see it as preferable to not exist which is why I despise how we exist in such a pro-suffering world. It's hellish how there is no limit as to how much we can suffer yet suicide isn't viewed as a valid option.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

People are emotional animals and not logical ones

 

[DT2007]

People are so obsessed with life and living that they can not see that death is part of it. It's always cruel or untimely or rather something. We all die eventually and why not leave it up to the individual when that time has come. People see the world only from their own perspective. They are unable to step in someone elses shoes and walk a mile. Apart from that it's the media that generates views and clicks with emotional bait and SaSu is perfect for that because the people are obsessed with lofe..

 

[Rhizomorph1]

Humans have an inborn drive to protect people in their community to improve the survival of our species.

That simple.

At the end of the day survival is arbitrary; the universe is indifferent so if you wish to ctb then feel free to go against the survivalistic drives of others.

My advice is to not get too caught up in other people's beliefs, whether it's pro-life perspectives or the inherent cynicism on this site.

Both are generally making wide spanning moral judgments despite death taking place beyond good and evil.

What do you feel is best?