Help Why is everyone so obsessed with SN?

[Tommen Baratheon]

Unfortunately, among the members of the forum there are homeless people or people who do not live at home, but with relatives and friends. I assume that they use some publicly available internet, a telephone of maybe €50 and think every day what they will eat tomorrow. You have to understand that many people live hard and in poverty I don't understand how it is not clear to you. I am a businessman and I don't have these problems, but I can understand these people.

Thank you for putting things in perspective. I don't live in a big city and in 20 years I've only seen one homeless guy here. In the capital of my province, in Leuven and in Brussel I've seen some beggars. At the train station in Brussel there were homeless people, mostly illegals.

But if you're a legal resident your employer will pay the first month if you're sick, then the sick fund takes over. If you're unemployed you'll get money (under certain conditions). And there's something called 'leefloon' (wellfare?) which is the lowest amount of money that a person gets, for instance if they don't get money for unemployment.

Growing up my family didn't have a lot of money. When I was 8 my bipolar father was in and out of hospitals and my mother (no job) had to raise 3 kids on her own. But she taught us how to save, so maybe in that way 400 euro doesn't seem a lot to me. However if you convert it into old Belgian francs, then we're talking about 16.000 francs and that used to be a lot of money. The euro has us all fooled...

Sorry for the off-topic; I just wanted to explain. I didn't mean any disrespect.

 

[eva.yuki]

Can you tell us how much SN you took? Thank you.

It was roughly 25mgs.

 

[Valhala]

Thank you for putting things in perspective. I don't live in a big city and in 20 years I've only seen one homeless guy here. In the capital of my province, in Leuven and in Brussel I've seen some beggars. At the train station in Brussel there were homeless people, mostly illegals.

But if you're a legal resident your employer will pay the first month if you're sick, then the sick fund takes over. If you're unemployed you'll get money (under certain conditions). And there's something called 'leefloon' (wellfare?) which is the lowest amount of money that a person gets, for instance if they don't get money for unemployment.

Growing up my family didn't have a lot of money. When I was 8 my bipolar father was in and out of hospitals and my mother (no job) had to raise 3 kids on her own. But she taught us how to save, so maybe in that way 400 euro doesn't seem a lot to me. However if you convert it into old Belgian francs, then we're talking about 16.000 francs and that used to be a lot of money. The euro has us all fooled...

Sorry for the off-topic; I just wanted to explain. I didn't mean any disrespect.

I understand you and I fully understand your perspective. As citizens of the EU (I live in a Central European country) we are indeed somewhat privileged because the EU and especially the Scandinavian countries have an extremely good social program compared to the rest of the world, and even compared to the USA, for example. I have business partners from your country (Belgium) and I know that in your country and in general, within the entire EU, the amount of €400 is something that is easy to reach, either through the social protection program or through work. Unfortunately, the world is not only the EU, the world is also Asia and Africa, and there are many people in huge personal problems and with extremely limited financial resources. I'm glad that you didn't take these suggestions of mine as some kind of confrontation, all I want is to point out how unfortunately having even that 400 € is in certain parts of the world for some a huge problem.

 

[LunarLight]

It was roughly 25mgs.

You mean 25g?

 

[pariah80]

Most of the people on here seem to be looking for some "painless" and sure-fire method to ctb. That's not a bad thing, as I wish there was one available. However, that can sometimes lead to stalling and hesitation. A lot of the people on here seem to be younger (18-30) and live in places where firearms are either difficult to acquire or illegal to own altogether. From reading the threads on here, SN seems to be kind of a tedious method. But if I couldn't access a more efficient way, I guess I'd be on here looking for other methods as well. That's my perspective, anyway.

 

[orderphil91]

I tried SN two years ago approximately and didn't feel nauseous. It was very peaceful and I wouldn't try any other method tbh. I failed because I was found by my roommates. I will try again as soon as the time is right.

Can you tell us more about your failed attempt with NS? How did you feel? Did you have any after-effects?

 

[Plato'sCaveDweller]

Thank you for putting things in perspective. I don't live in a big city and in 20 years I've only seen one homeless guy here. In the capital of my province, in Leuven and in Brussel I've seen some beggars. At the train station in Brussel there were homeless people, mostly illegals.

But if you're a legal resident your employer will pay the first month if you're sick, then the sick fund takes over. If you're unemployed you'll get money (under certain conditions). And there's something called 'leefloon' (wellfare?) which is the lowest amount of money that a person gets, for instance if they don't get money for unemployment.

Growing up my family didn't have a lot of money. When I was 8 my bipolar father was in and out of hospitals and my mother (no job) had to raise 3 kids on her own. But she taught us how to save, so maybe in that way 400 euro doesn't seem a lot to me. However if you convert it into old Belgian francs, then we're talking about 16.000 francs and that used to be a lot of money. The euro has us all fooled...

Sorry for the off-topic; I just wanted to explain. I didn't mean any disrespect.

Thank you for clarifying. I actually took a slight bit of offense at your comments, since they seemed to be a bit short-sighted (especially expecting people to save for 10 months lol). But I didn't want to go into a back-and-forth with you since that's not really productive. I also just don't like bickering here on the forum, since I think we should all strive to be as cordial and helpful as possible.

I will say again that I am glad that you're in the position to not only have the available funds, but to have found such a good deal on a helium setup. But as Valhala said, not everyone is in that position.

 

[seasonsdied]

I'm extremely thankful to everyone for their responses, especially @Plato'sCaveDweller and @Tommen Baratheon

Unfortunately, I'm still alive. I was just travelling for work and couldn't login.

My only intention of this post is to find a relatively peaceful but sure way of going away. I have anxiety and can't bear to think of dealing with everything if I survive. That's why I am thinking of combining methods.

I don't know what DMC is but some industrial companies sell SN idk if they'll sell it to me. Will combine it with below 2 if feasible as I vomit easily :(

I can get nitrogen from tyre shop or brewery but still have to plan on quantity and method. Is this likely to be pure?

I will definitely burn charcoal in a confined space in addition to what I choose.

I live in a not so good place but fortunately I am not short time and can arrange money. My plan is to execute in coming 6 months if possible. I'm doing fine in life so can extend by couple of months if it's worth it.
If there's any other thing to make it more likely to work then I'd love your suggestions (like slitting or partial hanging)

Thanks everyone. I just wish to go. Sorry for asking a lot of questions.

Edit: I don't have access to guns :(

 

[Marco77]

It doesn't seem peaceful to me. Even with antiemetics people seem to be puking their guts out. That's not how I want to spend my last minutes. With helium or nitrogen it's lights out in a matter of minutes.

With Helium you need a degree to commit suicide. The preparation is so complicated.

 

[ctbsd24]

I don't see the appeal, but to each his or her own. Being nauseous/puking is like the worst feeling in the world for me. Definitely not the last feeling I'd want to have before I pass away.

 

[sweetcreep]

initially i only wanted to ctb using helium but it requires some set up and i don't trust myself to not make any errors. SN just seems much more reliable and easier to comprehend in terms of preparations. i am slowly coming around to the idea that maybe i can endure throwing up once or twice if it means i can finally be at peace. the most tedious part about it is finding DMC, but some people get lucky and find it pretty quickly.

 

[Tommen Baratheon]

With Helium you need a degree to commit suicide. The preparation is so complicated.

The only problem I have is the regulator. PPeH advises 15l/min, but (most?) helium/nitrogen regulators don't show l/min. So you can use an argon regulator, which I have found. The problem now is that nitrogen/helium isn't the same as argon, so you need to convert.

It's this conversion that not everyone agrees on or have knowledge about. I've read that with a nitrogen tank the argon regulator needs to be set to 17 l/min.

I've got my eye on a helium tank that contains 4.000 l of compressed helum, so if I would set the argon regulator to max. I probably won't run before I ctb.

 

[Marco77]

The only problem I have is the regulator. PPeH advises 15l/min, but (most?) helium/nitrogen regulators don't show l/min. So you can use an argon regulator, which I have found. The problem now is that nitrogen/helium isn't the same as argon, so you need to convert.

It's this conversion that not everyone agrees on or have knowledge about. I've read that with a nitrogen tank the argon regulator needs to be set to 17 l/min.

I've got my eye on a helium tank that contains 4.000 l of compressed helum, so if I would set the argon regulator to max. I probably won't run before I ctb.

Isn't it easier to saturate an environment with helium? Without bags on the face, hand bindings etc ect?

 

[sweetcreep]

Isn't it easier to saturate an environment with helium? Without bags on the face, hand bindings etc ect?

like an entire room or car? that would require so much helium though? and you would also probably have a harder time preventing any leaks? sorry if i misunderstood.

 

[Tommen Baratheon]

Isn't it easier to saturate an environment with helium? Without bags on the face, hand bindings etc ect?

First, I wouldn't use hand bindings. Second, I'm not an expert, but I would expect there would be too much oxygen. In the US balloon helium tanks are filled with 20% oxygen so you can't ctb with it. The exit bag is not only to keep the helium in, but also keep the oxygen out.

 

[Marco77]

like an entire room or car? that would require so much helium though? and you would also probably have a harder time preventing any leaks? sorry if i misunderstood.

Yes, exactly. A relaxed death.

First, I wouldn't use hand bindings. Second, I'm not an expert, but I would expect there would be too much oxygen. In the US balloon helium tanks are filled with 20% oxygen so you can't ctb with it. The exit bag is not only to keep the helium in, but also keep the oxygen out.

I've read everything there is to read, but I don't think I'll ever understand how to do it.

 

[sweetcreep]

i've read everything there is to read, but I don't think I'll ever understand how to do it.

this is how i feel. i understand like maybe more than half of the process when it comes to using inert gas as a method, but at a certain point, i get very lost and confused. when i read about SN, it's much more digestible to me and seems so much more foolproof. i don't have to worry about leaks or output or how i'm sitting or tying myself down or anything like that. i just have a bit of research to do and a shopping list and that's all really.

 

[solblaze]

I suppose you theoretically could, but chemistry is so precise and you'd likely create an impure substance. I do genuinely believe you'd be better off buying it. Seems like DMC is a safe source is you can locate the site

I've see. DMC mentioned a few times, what does that stand for?

 

[sweetcreep]

I've see. DMC mentioned a few times, what does that stand for?

you can purchase SN from there. from my understanding, it's against the rules to say what it is. also for safety reasons as to not give away a reliable source. you will not find a direct link or any obvious information about it, but many people have found it through some research. i'm currently doing my research to try and find it.

 

[hematomatema]

Probably a bit late to the party but SN is really only so widely talked about because it's the bar for what you should aim for when looking for a method to CTB. Peaceful? Supposedly. Cheap? Relatively. Accessible? Kind of. It's the very definition of a 5-6/10 method - it's just OK, but the accessibility of it is what keeps it around.

However, to be a bit more meta, SN is only widely talked about because it's widely talked about. As I said, it's a 5-6/10 method. The accessibility, peace, and pricepoint are all just "OK." There are things that are more accessible, with a better pricepoint, and bring greater, faster peace than SN, that simply aren't as well known because people just don't talk about it. I can't think of any that have those 3 qualities off of the top of my head today, but I know that there were things that fit that description at least a year or two ago, maybe earlier. That accessibility also depends from person to person - shipping SN to your country might be literally impossible but if you know a drug dealer who sells something like opiods, then it's probably overall a "better" method than something like SN or N.

This is also without mentioning that there are subjective experiences involved in SN. I've heard stories and seen clips of people where they've very clearly suffered while taking lethal doses of the stuff. That's not to say the majority do, but it's something to be aware of. It's not peaceful for everyone.

 

[ThatStateOfMind]

I've see. DMC mentioned a few times, what does that stand for?

As @sweetcreep said, I don't think I'm allowed to say the name and to protect the source. It's a source for SN. Look around on the site enough, you can piece together info to find it. I didn't use the site name at all (I know it but I was seeing if I could find it) and was able to find piecing together info I got on different threads.

 

[bl00deater]

Me personally? That's what my brother took, he's dead now. It works, so that's why I'm picking sn.

 

[Asleepatlast]

That is true. As I said, I'd say inert gas is a gold standard method, but it can be difficult for some people due to the increased technical difficulty of setting it up, the logistical process of acquiring everything, and cost. Inert gas is even better than SN if it's an available option for you.

As for a reliable source, I do not have any. I'm primarily going off of all the failed attempts I've read here. Also some of the medical journal studies I've seen during my time researching. I did not save any sources regarding failed attempts, so if you wish to take what I've said with a grain of salt that is more than reasonable. But this isn't just me saying this. It's one of the more commonly cited "pros" for SN.

Well, I suppose that'd be your experience. I did not invalidate anyone's experience, I just stated something that's generally the case. SN is easier, since you can do it all without leaving your home and it's much cheaper. And SN doesn't even need any meds, they're just useful for facilitating a successful and smoother attempt. The only thing that you could classify as a necessary med is the D2 antagonist antiemetic, since it speeds up gastric emptying thus allowing the SN to be absorbed quicker. But you do not need a "ton of other meds".

You're also forgetting the regulator, which is a common issue people encounter when setting up the method. You're also forgetting that there's somewhat of a process to set up the plastic bag. Some people prefer to go for a mask or rebreather instead, in which case it's also difficult to find the right one (it's also additional cost).

The setup may not be hard for you, but there are people who complain about its difficulty. So like I said to the other person, it's great that you have a method that you feel is better for you, but it's not a universal thing. If it were, we'd see so many more people CTB via inert gas.

That's great. I'm glad you found something that fits your needs. However, that's about $320-340 USD more expensive than SN ($280-300 with AE). For some people, that is out of the question. And mind you, that price may not be applicable for everyone. Some people also have the issue of hiding their set up from their household members, and SN is king in terms of being incognito (small packet or bottle that can be hidden anywhere). There's still the issue of setting it up, which some people do have issues with.

You only die once, yes. But for some people, their luxury method is SN. I am glad you've found yours though.

Any idea where the idea to need to speed up gastric emptying originates from?

The stomach absorbs liquids rapidly so I'm wondering how necessary even an ae is. And since we take much more than us necessary for the lethal dose wouldn't success still be feasible without an ae due to rapid gastric absorption?

 

[SNastablesalt]

I understand that dying is complicated, hard and makes things much worse if it goes wrong but still. Why is everyone going for SN? It honestly does not seem like the best way to die to me.
At the very least I believe it should be accompanied with CO or N to make it easier or am I wrong in believing this?

Used to be the most easily available and peaceful method I believe, before Amazon ruined it

 

[Plato'sCaveDweller]

Any idea where the idea to need to speed up gastric emptying originates from?

The stomach absorbs liquids rapidly so I'm wondering how necessary even an ae is. And since we take much more than us necessary for the lethal dose wouldn't success still be feasible without an ae due to rapid gastric absorption?

The stomach doesn't absorb anything (with the exception of a small bit of alcohol, some vitamins and minerals, simple sugars, etc), it only prepares food and liquid for the small intestine.

Speeding up the process of moving from stomach to intestine is ideal for SN, but not 100% necessary as there's been successes without AEs. Though if it gets to the small intestine faster, it starts to work faster. It also means there's a smaller window of time for you to expel too much it. Also, spending less time in the stomach means less nitrite will be converted to nitric oxide. Source PPH 2022 (page 100 and page 114) https://gofile.io/d/W0Zwnc

 

[TimetoGo!]

I understand that dying is complicated, hard and makes things much worse if it goes wrong but still. Why is everyone going for SN? It honestly does not seem like the best way to die to me.
At the very least I believe it should be accompanied with CO or N to make it easier or am I wrong in believing this?

The Peaceful Pill Handbook left so many questions that were so unfair.

I have SN in my safe for 4/5 months……I have meto, antacid, propranolol, at the ready but still haven't had the full confidence in it.

I still feel my original method of drowning is much more reliable

 

[Asleepatlast]

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The stomach doesn't absorb anything (with the exception of a small bit of alcohol, some vitamins and minerals, simple sugars, etc), it only prepares food and liquid for the small intestine.

Speeding up the process of moving from stomach to intestine is ideal for SN, but not 100% necessary as there's been successes without AEs. Though if it gets to the small intestine faster, it starts to work faster. It also means there's a smaller window of time for you to expel too much it. Also, spending less time in the stomach means less nitrite will be converted to nitric oxide. Source PPH 2022 (page 100 and page 114) https://gofile.io/d/W0Zwnc

The stomach does absorb. It has passive absorption. And it absorbs liquids.

But, even with normal gi emptying it will happen relatively quickly with a liquid in an empty stomach. If we ingest 25 gram and it's what 1-2 gram for lethality, I would say you are pretty much guaranteed the lethal dose either way.

So, in theory, it should suffice without an ae. Of course I agree with all you've written here that following protocol is probably ideal.

But, it is a poison and poisons kill relatively efficiently. On an empty stomach, even quicker and higher absorption. With a liquid on an empty stomach with normal gi emptying it shouldn't stay in your stomach too long. Absorption actually begins in the mouth, which is also where digestion begins. So even taking into mouth you begin to absorb.

The vomiting, even if it is in your intestines, it will come out as the body can make you expel from intestines. That's where you see people vomiting feces from intestinal blockages so I honestly wouldn't count on that either way. With a liquid it's going to absorb pretty quickly to get to lethal dose and your body is going to make you vomit. I haven't seen where the ae has made a difference in that. It only may make a difference in stomach emptying is my guess. People just seem to do a lot of vomiting with this stuff.

And keep in mind this is all only in theory. Not attempting to change any protocols or anything. But, as I am seriously grappling with whether I can even take an ae, these are things I've considered.

As always I appreciate your responses. You are very thorough and knowledgeable. I'm going to look into what you linked. Just mentioning again not going against protocol just my own personal considerations. Would love to just follow protocol because honestly this would feel like a breeze for me at that point. It's stressful having to consider not following it. I want to be able to just do the protocol. I would feel at much greater ease and peace.

 

[Plato'sCaveDweller]

The stomach does absorb. It has passive absorption. And it absorbs liquids.

But, even with normal gi emptying it will happen relatively quickly with a liquid in an empty stomach. If we ingest 25 gram and it's what 1-2 gram for lethality, I would say you are pretty much guaranteed the lethal dose either way.

I can't actually find anything online that says the stomach absorbs liquid. And the rate of absorption of liquids seems to be tied to gastric emptying, according to what I can find. If I'm just not looking at the right stuff, then by all means correct me and maybe send a link.

But I did find that the stomach can absorb nitrites, although only a small portion (<5%). In theory, this could be enough at 1.25g, although there are other factors that have to be considered such as nitric oxide production that may impact the amount absorbed.

So, in theory, it should suffice without an ae. Of course I agree with all you've written here that following protocol is probably ideal.

Yes, in theory, you don't need an AE, it's simply nice to have and it possibly increases the chance of success given its function in the protocol.

But, it is a poison and poisons kill relatively efficiently. On an empty stomach, even quicker and higher absorption. With a liquid on an empty stomach with normal gi emptying it shouldn't stay in your stomach too long. Absorption actually begins in the mouth, which is also where digestion begins. So even taking into mouth you begin to absorb.

I thought digestion begins in the mouth, not absorption? Some things, like in the stomach, can be absorbed in the mouth like alcohol (only a small amount though). I don't imagine SN is going to absorb like that. But I am only guessing here.

The vomiting, even if it is in your intestines, it will come out as the body can make you expel from intestines. That's where you see people vomiting feces from intestinal blockages so I honestly wouldn't count on that either way. With a liquid it's going to absorb pretty quickly to get to lethal dose and your body is going to make you vomit. I haven't seen where the ae has made a difference in that. It only may make a difference in stomach emptying is my guess. People just seem to do a lot of vomiting with this stuff.

This is also true. But is it always the case that one vomits their small intestine contents? That is one example of it happening, and under a specific circumstance. But yes, people do vomit even with the AE, since the body really doesn't like the SN.

And keep in mind this is all only in theory. Not attempting to change any protocols or anything. But, as I am seriously grappling with whether I can even take an ae, these are things I've considered.

I mean yeah, at the end of the day we aren't medical experts, nor do we have hard studies that go over the process of SN ingestion from start to finish, so we can only make do with the info we have and draw conclusions.

As always I appreciate your responses. You are very thorough and knowledgeable. I'm going to look into what you linked. Just mentioning again not going against protocol just my own personal considerations.

Thank you! I always try to provide answers to questions if I'm confident that my knowledge is accurate. But I am no expert and I don't claim to be.

And I get that you're just trying to work out whether an AE is truly necessary, and I think it's quite prudent to dot your i's and cross your t's. So it's all good. I don't think you're intentionally trying to go against protocol, some people just can't get an AE is all.

Would love to just follow protocol because honestly this would feel like a breeze for me at that point. It's stressful having to consider not following it. I want to be able to just do the protocol. I would feel at much greater ease and peace.

This is exactly why I am using Meto. It may or may not end up being necessary, but the function of the medication in the protocol provides nice peace of mind. Having the SN get to work faster does sound good on paper.

And regarding not being able to follow protocol, if it's any consolation, there are successes with it. Hell, I imagine those that were underage that got a hold of SN didn't use Meto or any other supplementary drug. But that is pure speculation on my part.

 

[willow115]

It's not the best, but not the worst. I want to die in bed, N is not available.

 

[nembutaldream]

I can't seem to find a reliable source of SN. Also burning coal and taking lots of sleeping pills with SN seems a more robust plan to me. But everyone recently is going ahead with SN, am I missing something? In case SN ends up ineffective I still go away.

If you ingest sleeping pills with SN your chance of failing will be higher than if you just take the SN. Combining with CO might work, though.