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deedee0225

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Feb 29, 2020
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Based on my research, I'm beginning to think that full suspension might just be the best method (unless you are one of the lucky few with a bottle of N lying around). I'm saying this in terms of 1. short time to unconsciousness (sets in immediately or seconds after), 2. short time to death (around ten minutes or so), 3. sureness of death (assume you perform the full suspension, there is no backing out once both feet are in the air, and death is guaranteed unless there is mechanical failure e.g. your rope breaks), and 4. accessibility.

In the book Complete Manual of Suicide, the author tells readers to look no further than full suspension, calling it the gold standard and even likens it to an art form in terms of its ability to deliver a rapid, tolerable, and effective death.

There's been many discussions regarding full vs. partial suspension, and it seems many people are interested in partial. Visually, the full suspension gives a perception of being hardcore/painful, and people seem to see partial suspension is a gentler form. However, I cannot think of any advantage that partial has over full (other than the fact that it's possibly easier to back out of). For full suspension, due to the effect of gravity + full body weight, it works by completely shutting the flow of blood into the brain, instantly depriving the brain of oxygen and leading to rapid unconsciousness. It is also possible to achieve this with partial, however there are a few disadvantages:
1. One must overcome survival instinct (with full suspension you are on autopilot)
2. There are two arteries relevant to hanging - the carotid arteries and vertebral arteries. Carotid arteries are more accessible while vertebral arteries are in a more difficult position, protected by bone structure and unable to be felt physically. In order to perform hanging most effectively, both arteries must be suppressed. In a full suspension, the gravity of full body weight and the resulting posture when hung in a fully upright manner ensures both carotid and vertebral arteries are fully engaged. With partial suspension it's trickier to fully engage the vertebral artery.
3. If not done properly, partial can lead to retention of consciousness while experiencing the distress of hanging/suffocation.
4. Sometimes we may see the head of a person turn purple while hanging - this is the result of blood being able to still flow into the brain, but with no way to flow out. It is likely that the carotid arteries have been suppressed while the vertebral arteries are still supplying blood to the brain. Under full suspension this will not be the case - watch the videos of full suspensions and you will hardly notice any discoloration. The one time I saw the head turn purple is with partial.

Watching videos of full suspension, once both feet is up in the air, there is no struggle. Consciousness is lost immediately or in a matter of few seconds. In the next few minutes, the body goes through convulsion all while being unconscious. All movement is gone typically after 3-5 minutes. Body can be declared medically dead at 10 minutes.

I don't profess to be an expert of any sort here. Please point out if I mentioned anything factually wrong. I welcome any push backs or counter-arguments. At the end of the day we all just want to learn from each other to find the best method!
 
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i will never have the courage to go for full suspension . it looks scary
 
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deedee0225

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Emily123 - I hear you and I used to think the same way. It's definitely distressing to see people just hanging from the ceiling or a tree. But have you watched videos of full suspensions? What's striking is just how unbelievably peaceful it is - no choking, survival instincts, etc. I think perception is the reason why this is not a more popular method, but sometimes perception can perhaps be counterproductive in choosing the optimal CTB method.

Take SN for example which is very popular on this forum (and I'm not trying to make SN sound bad or anything, I know it's still a very viable method with many pros which outweighs the cons). People may find the idea of swallowing liquid more comfortable than hanging (this is perception). However, let's compare SN with full suspension in several departments. 1. time to unconsciousness - full suspension wins (instant/few seconds vs. 20 minutes or longer of pain), 2. time to death - again full suspension (10 minutes vs. few hours, unlikely you will be saved during full suspension attempt), 3. lethality - full suspension again (people have failed SN, with full suspension you cannot fail unless the equipment/set up was wrong e.g. rope breaks). 4. Body after full suspension look pretty clean vs. bodies after SN are just a discolored mess. Despite all these pros of full suspension, people still seem to want to spend a time and money getting SN and antiemenetics, when they can just go to their neighborhood store and buy a rope.

Having said this I do recognize that different people have different fears. Some people have no fear of height, others have no fear of pain and blood. My point was to raise a bit of awareness. But in the end we still gotta choose what works for us individually.
 
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normie

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Great write-up. Have you any info on ropes, knots and drops? I purchased some 24mm rope as a back-up to other ctb methods.
 
HappyMstake

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May 29, 2020
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I agree full suspension is the way to go, you just have to have the courage to kick the stool/chair out from underneath you. That being said I'm sure it's the way I'm going to go, with a bit of alcohol it would be a bit easier to go though with.
 
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i will never have the courage to go for full suspension . it looks scary
It may look scary, but failing at partial is scary. Nothing can be worse than getting to the point of actually doing it, ready to die for real, and then getting to telling us about it later. One should only have to go through that once.
 
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ExistentialEntropy

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Is it really peaceful? I thought it was supposed to be pretty brutal.
 
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The posts from those that survived due to equipment failure or rescue had no complaints to the point if passing out. The surviving seemed less pleasant.
 
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AnxietyAttack44

I just wanna go to my husband already.
Jun 5, 2020
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There were videos of people who struggled during full suspension, as they did something wrong. Some people dont pass out instantly, or any time soon. I tried to "safely try full" to see if i would pass out as quick as in partial and i didnt pass out. I simply endured the pain too long, over a minute as i watched the clock, wich made me back out. No feet were touching the floor. Anoying.

I might be the unlucky one, but ive seen quite a few hangings where ppl didnt instantly pass out. I envy those who did.

I can black out in partial, but partial is a failure cuz of convulsions.
 
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You do need to plan and set it up correctly. In some the knot slides to the front (bad) or they have a big loop that just put pressure on the front or they have their hands in the way. It will get you eventually.
A good setup knocks you out in seconds. Please do the research and save yourself from these problems.
 
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Living sucks

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There were videos of people who struggled during full suspension, as they did something wrong. Some people dont pass out instantly, or any time soon. I tried to "safely try full" to see if i would pass out as quick as in partial and i didnt pass out. I simply endured the pain too long, over a minute as i watched the clock, wich made me back out. No feet were touching the floor. Anoying.

I might be the unlucky one, but ive seen quite a few hangings where ppl didnt instantly pass out. I envy those who did.

I can black out in partial, but partial is a failure cuz of convulsions.
How do you safety try full? And how do you stay full conscious and not pass out or experience severe pain for over a minute? Seems implausible
 
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AnxietyAttack44

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How do you safety try full? And how do you stay full conscious and not pass out or experience severe pain for over a minute? Seems implausible
Well i didnt pass out. I wont fight you, im just anoyed as it didnt work.

I tried it by doing full but still being able to back out if it fails as it did..
 
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Living sucks

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Well i didnt pass out. I wont fight you, im just anoyed as it didnt work.

I tried it by doing full but still being able to back out if it fails as it did..
Fight me? Why? I'm asking serious questions. So you have the ability to stand on something when you want to? But for over a minute you hung without touching and could breath? I'm just thinking of the girl from the ceiling fan and it was a long minute to watch. I pictured safety try as having a person watch you and take you down if you pass out like the choking game video.
im not challenging you, I want to know.
 
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deedee0225

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Feb 29, 2020
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Great write-up. Have you any info on ropes, knots and drops? I purchased some 24mm rope as a back-up to other ctb methods.

Don't have anything worth sharing at the moment. I guess because of different set-ups (doorknob, ceiling fan, etc.) might be a bit case-by-case.

How do you safety try full? And how do you stay full conscious and not pass out or experience severe pain for over a minute? Seems implausible

This was my question too. I suppose the most likely reason is the rope/knot was not snug enough. Do you think this was the case AnxietyAttack44? By the way thank you for sharing your experience

According to the book Complete Manual of Suicide, there were people who have attempted full suspension only for demonstration purposes, only to accidentally CTB. There were also attempts of "safety full" with somebody on the standby to rescue, but by the time they have been rescued already was unconscious. When interviewed, they supposedly had no recollection of any pain. I suppose this is the kind of outcome and effectiveness when done properly.
 
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Just ensure equipment integrity and be certain of not being discovered too soon and you're golden?
 
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normie

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Isn't there a certain height you have to fall though? According to your body weight?
 
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deedee0225

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Feb 29, 2020
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Just ensure equipment integrity and be certain of not being discovered too soon and you're golden?

I believe so.

Isn't there a certain height you have to fall though? According to your body weight?

No, there is no fall involved in full suspension. Maybe you are referring to drop hanging, in that case the neck will be broken after dropping from a height. I have seen that being done for public executions, but for the purpose of CTB that is not a necessary step.
 
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Oct 13, 2019
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I think TV and film have done this method great disservice. They depict miserable victims desperately struggling, writhing and kicking for minutes before they suddenly die. This is just Hollywood bullshit. Real videos of people hanged in the middle east etc show rapid loss of consciousness. The victim just hangs there. You can tell that they lose consciousness really fast.
 
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lostangel

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I love the hanging methods full and long drop.

In full we see nearly all victims pass out between 8 and 15 seconds.

The only thing is being interrupted. You said declared dead 10 minutes but we have seen stories of people who were caught and well are now suffering. I think it was recommended 30 minutes to be safe.
 
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Valsalva

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Feb 25, 2020
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Based on my research, I'm beginning to think that full suspension might just be the best method (unless you are one of the lucky few with a bottle of N lying around). I'm saying this in terms of 1. short time to unconsciousness (sets in immediately or seconds after), 2. short time to death (around ten minutes or so), 3. sureness of death (assume you perform the full suspension, there is no backing out once both feet are in the air, and death is guaranteed unless there is mechanical failure e.g. your rope breaks), and 4. accessibility.

In the book Complete Manual of Suicide, the author tells readers to look no further than full suspension, calling it the gold standard and even likens it to an art form in terms of its ability to deliver a rapid, tolerable, and effective death.

There's been many discussions regarding full vs. partial suspension, and it seems many people are interested in partial. Visually, the full suspension gives a perception of being hardcore/painful, and people seem to see partial suspension is a gentler form. However, I cannot think of any advantage that partial has over full (other than the fact that it's possibly easier to back out of). For full suspension, due to the effect of gravity + full body weight, it works by completely shutting the flow of blood into the brain, instantly depriving the brain of oxygen and leading to rapid unconsciousness. It is also possible to achieve this with partial, however there are a few disadvantages:
1. One must overcome survival instinct (with full suspension you are on autopilot)
2. There are two arteries relevant to hanging - the carotid arteries and vertebral arteries. Carotid arteries are more accessible while vertebral arteries are in a more difficult position, protected by bone structure and unable to be felt physically. In order to perform hanging most effectively, both arteries must be suppressed. In a full suspension, the gravity of full body weight and the resulting posture when hung in a fully upright manner ensures both carotid and vertebral arteries are fully engaged. With partial suspension it's trickier to fully engage the vertebral artery.
3. If not done properly, partial can lead to retention of consciousness while experiencing the distress of hanging/suffocation.
4. Sometimes we may see the head of a person turn purple while hanging - this is the result of blood being able to still flow into the brain, but with no way to flow out. It is likely that the carotid arteries have been suppressed while the vertebral arteries are still supplying blood to the brain. Under full suspension this will not be the case - watch the videos of full suspensions and you will hardly notice any discoloration. The one time I saw the head turn purple is with partial.

Watching videos of full suspension, once both feet is up in the air, there is no struggle. Consciousness is lost immediately or in a matter of few seconds. In the next few minutes, the body goes through convulsion all while being unconscious. All movement is gone typically after 3-5 minutes. Body can be declared medically dead at 10 minutes.

I don't profess to be an expert of any sort here. Please point out if I mentioned anything factually wrong. I welcome any push backs or counter-arguments. At the end of the day we all just want to learn from each other to find the best method!
I totally agree, that full is a very good way albeit there are lots of partial successes on the web e.g. on KAOTIC.COM. Looks quite peaceful there.
 
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mopeyD

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Aug 8, 2020
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There were videos of people who struggled during full suspension, as they did something wrong. Some people dont pass out instantly, or any time soon. I tried to "safely try full" to see if i would pass out as quick as in partial and i didnt pass out. I simply endured the pain too long, over a minute as i watched the clock, wich made me back out. No feet were touching the floor. Anoying.

I might be the unlucky one, but ive seen quite a few hangings where ppl didnt instantly pass out. I envy those who did.

I can black out in partial, but partial is a failure cuz of convulsions.
Do you think placement of rope and knot on neck has anything to do with unsuccessful passing out?
You do need to plan and set it up correctly. In some the knot slides to the front (bad) or they have a big loop that just put pressure on the front or they have their hands in the way. It will get you eventually.
A good setup knocks you out in seconds. Please do the research and save yourself from these problems.
Can you clarify placement of rope on neck and placement of knot? Thank you
 
Worndown

Worndown

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Go high on the neck. It will end up there anyway and it moving up would be very uncomfortable.
Knot behind right ear seems successful.
 
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AnxietyAttack44

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Do you think placement of rope and knot on neck has anything to do with unsuccessful passing out?
Yes, placement is important. You wont pass out if its in a wrong spot, not without alot of pain and struggle atleast. Rest depends on luck i guess
 
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judogith

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Oct 18, 2020
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I love the hanging methods full and long drop.

In full we see nearly all victims pass out between 8 and 15 seconds.

The only thing is being interrupted. You said declared dead 10 minutes but we have seen stories of people who were caught and well are now suffering. I think it was recommended 30 minutes to be safe.
"We see nearby all victims pass out between 8 and 15 seconds". Are you with the victims? How do you know this?
 
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Worndown

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"We see nearby all victims pass out between 8 and 15 seconds". Are you with the victims? How do you know this?
Do you believe we make this up? We read, we watch and we learn.
 
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I'm preparing for partial so it sucks to hear about people here who have done in and kind of "gotten up" after a few minutes of unconsciousness
 
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lostangel

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"We see nearby all victims pass out between 8 and 15 seconds". Are you with the victims? How do you know this?
videos on best gore, kaotic etc there are many videos out there.
 
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I'm preparing for partial so it sucks to hear about people here who have done in and kind of "gotten up" after a few minutes of unconsciousness
It is Strange that those people were rescued in exact that "Important" 15 Minutes.
 

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