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Circles

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Sep 3, 2018
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Why is it that when I or other people are suicidal, down or god forbid show a little bit of pessimism that people want nothing to deal with you? Like I'm just so dumbfounded about it. I get that I or other people can be a burden but it still doesn't make any sense why does it burden them that bad? I admit that I sometimes push people away especially when I don't listen to their advice but I can't help and wish they can just understand the mindset that such negativity can do to a person. I'm such a negative person and I just… cannot change that. I can't change no matter what and I can't be the person people want me to be or I want to be. So is it going to always be like this?
 
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Fadeawaaaay

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Nov 12, 2021
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I generally don't want anything to do with other people when I'm like this. But I understand why others might want to stay away. My energy right now is dark and weird. It's offputting. There's a stench of failure and sadness.
 
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Klo

Physical pain and depression
Mar 27, 2022
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Why is it that when I or other people are suicidal, down or god forbid show a little bit of pessimism that people want nothing to deal with you? Like I'm just so dumbfounded about it. I get that I or other people can be a burden but it still doesn't make any sense why does it burden them that bad? I admit that I sometimes push people away especially when I don't listen to their advice but I can't help and wish they can just understand the mindset that such negativity can do to a person. I'm such a negative person and I just… cannot change that. I can't change no matter what and I can't be the person people want me to be or I want to be. So is it going to always be like this?
On some level they all know there is something wrong with this world and the way we live and relate to each other. They don't want anybody to point this out because the majority of them are in a social contract with each other to pretend everything is fine. They are not we wrong to want to shield themselves from reality or people with sadness or problems, it just shows a lack of depth in both their empathy and their existence.
 
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Lullaby

Lullaby

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Mar 9, 2022
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This really bothers me when you're typically there for others.

I had a friend who was at their lowest and made sure to support them whenever and however I could because I genuinely cared. They got better and I started struggling, then suddenly they could only focus on themselves. Didn't care about anything I was going through or what I had to say. Just a total switch from the person I knew.

I wish people were more truthful and empathetic, there's really a huge lack of that in the world.
 
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novem

Experienced
May 9, 2022
273
This is how human brain works. But if it is a member of a family it works out better.
 
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freedompass

freedompass

Warlock
Jan 27, 2021
768
This is a tricky one for me because there have on occasion been needy or intense people that I have wanted to move away from. I can't honestly say I am 'always there' for people. If I need to save my own peace of mind or equable mood (such as it is) I will. So I don't feel inclined to judge people for sometimes dropping me like a hot potato when very needy myself. We are all locked in a grim struggle to survive! However idyllic some people's lives appear! And others' negativity can be perceived as a threat to this.

On some level they all know there is something wrong with this world and the way we live and relate to each other. They don't want anybody to point this out because the majority of them are in a social contract with each other to pretend everything is fine. They are not we wrong to want to shield themselves from reality or people with sadness or problems, it just shows a lack of depth in both their empathy and their existence.
I agree with this especially the part about the social contract.

'Laugh and the world laughs with you. Cry and you cry alone'.

I mean, don't get me wrong. I don't like incessantly cheery people or toxic positivity, where you can't even openly have problems or doubts. I like people with a full range of emotions who aren't afraid to share how they feel. I find sad people way easier to relate to. But yeah. Humans are self interested, they respond to their instincts and programming and will tend to seek the company of those who benefit them in some way.
 
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its-about-time

its-about-time

nope
Mar 19, 2022
807
I'm lucky enough to have someone who has consistently stuck around through the many periods of me being at my worst. Don't understand it at all and I feel a LOT of shame, guilt, being a burden, you name it. Still, I goddamn appreciate it, even if I can't understand it.
 
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oneofmany1000

Member
Jan 18, 2022
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Why is it that when I or other people are suicidal, down or god forbid show a little bit of pessimism that people want nothing to deal with you? Like I'm just so dumbfounded about it. I get that I or other people can be a burden but it still doesn't make any sense why does it burden them that bad? I admit that I sometimes push people away especially when I don't listen to their advice but I can't help and wish they can just understand the mindset that such negativity can do to a person. I'm such a negative person and I just… cannot change that. I can't change no matter what and I can't be the person people want me to be or I want to be. So is it going to always be like this?
I've come to the conclusion that basically people suck. And as long as we support them no matter what,then we're good, but the minute we need love and support they gone! I won't have to worry about this world much longer planning to ctb tomorrow. I hate being a burden, and I hate the way society reminds me constantly just how worthless I am.
 
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Forever Sleep

Earned it we have...
May 4, 2022
11,593
I feel like a lot of the time it's frustration- I think just about everyone struggles to various degrees. Because mental health is so difficult to gauge and understand, I think a lot of people get frustrated that the depressed person won't do things to help themselves- Or- when they do, it doesn't seem to make any difference. I think it's beyond their comprehension to see that it gets to a point where maybe they can't help themselves anymore and that they have given up the will to try and that the stuff that helps the normal folk out of a low mood has become meaningless to them. The whole- 'pull yourself together' type thing. Maybe we all get frustrated with 'broken' things...

Sometimes I think the 'fair weather' folk out there just find it boring but sometimes I wonder if it's actually more of a caring/desperate response- If there is someone you care for deeply who seems to reject every suggestion/offer of help, I just don't think people know what to do. Maybe they start avoiding them because they can't cope with it themselves and they start to think that if they can't do anything to help and keep being pushed away, maybe there's nothing more they can do. Not sure but it sets up a tragic vicious cycle.
 
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syed

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Mar 4, 2022
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I was going to post this as a new thread but as this one is relevant I'll post it here.

I was going to call it - Are all your friendships one way?

I had illness for 8 years. Before illness I had many friends and a busy social life. Within 6 months of being ill 80% of my friends I never heard from again. After 8 years of being ill not one friend phones me up.

I did get better after 8 years, so if you have ill health and are feeling bad but there is a chance to get better, there is hope. 8 years is a very long time to sufer and I made it. Unfortunately now I have otehr health problems that won't get better but that's not the point.

Do you find when you are ill that friends don't want to know you as you are no use to them anymore?

Do you find that now even if you have friends, they never call you? That you always have to call them first. They are sort of happy to talk when you call them, but they never make the effort to contact you?

Does anyone else feel like this?
 
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Zzzzz

Zzzzz

Nothing compares to the bliss of death.
Aug 8, 2018
879
most people are fair weathered and self centered. It is rare to find someone different. Also there are a lot of arrogant people in this world who are more interested in stroking their ego than actually helping others. They will say they want to help and then proceed to shit on someone essentially showing zero empathy about their situation or feelings.
 
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Someone123

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Oct 19, 2021
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'm such a negative person and I just… cannot change that. I can't change no matter what and I can't be the person people want me to be or I want to be. So is it going to always be like this?
People like people who make them feel good, and if you are a negative person you make them feel bad, quite simply, so they stay away and spend time with people who make them feel better, quite simply. You won't find people who like being around someone who always drags them down. So to have some connection to others you need to be positive when you are around certain people or else they would rather spend their time with other people. You could change some to try to get more connection with other people, even if change is tough.
This is how human brain works. But if it is a member of a family it works out better.
This depends on your family a lot though- with some families there is not enough caring for sure.
 
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Pain In The Ass

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Feb 10, 2022
638
I admit, myself, that it is very hard to talk to someone who is depressed when you are trying to be positive and enjoy life. I have pushed my brother away for this very reason at times, because I didn't want to deal with his mood, and now he has nothing to do with me because I wasn't there for him when he needed me. I hate myself for this and feel I am grieving for him every single day, even though I'm in the same house as him. He will not talk to any of us, because we all pushed him away.
 
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FuneralCry

FuneralCry

Just wanting some peace
Sep 24, 2020
42,452
I think that it is because people are selfish and many only care about what directly affects themselves. That is simply just the way that people are. Maybe they find it tiring to be around someone who is suffering a lot. I see people as being very disappointing overall.
 
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natali4

natali4

Student
May 24, 2021
147
People are selfish. My friends abandoned me when I was at my lowest, yet I was always there, I picked up their calls in the middle of the night. The world is just cruel. It's hard but the best thing to do is not expect anything from anyone. People show their true colors when you show them vulnerability.
 
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Al Cappella

Al Cappella

Are we there yet?
Feb 2, 2022
888
…not that it's necessarily helpful, but there might be an ancient, biological component to it by way of protecting the herd. Herd animals are absolutely nasty if they even remotely sniff that a member of the herd is ill, and will in fact drive them out. It minimizes infection.

For the same reason, I'm guessing, people are uncomfortable around someone with depression. If you are just having a "bad day", or a partner dumped you—there's plenty of help then. But if it goes longer, or is understood as an illness, then help dries up. It absolutely sucks, but there it is. Among my lot you couldn't even say the word depression, no one wanted to hear it. I was expected to magically cure it on my own or bugger off.
 
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natali4

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May 24, 2021
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…not that it's necessarily helpful, but there might be an ancient, biological component to it by way of protecting the herd. Herd animals are absolutely nasty if they even remotely sniff that a member of the herd is ill, and will in fact drive them out. It minimizes infection.

For the same reason, I'm guessing, people are uncomfortable around someone with depression. If you are just having a "bad day", or a partner dumped you—there's plenty of help then. But if it goes longer, or is understood as an illness, that help dries up. It absolutely sucks, but there it is. Among my lot you couldn't even say the word depression, no one wanted to hear it. I was expected to magically cure it on my own or bugger off.
If our society understood this, then we could possibly get better help or accessible assisted suicide to end our suffering.
 
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Al Cappella

Are we there yet?
Feb 2, 2022
888
If our society understood this, then we could possibly get better help or accessible assisted suicide to end our suffering.
I think so too. It's already happening in a few parts of the world. Sadly, as with many of these things, it comes too late.
 
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MementoMori81

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May 1, 2022
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I tend to try and give people the benefit of the doubt when they find it difficult to talk about depression, or any mental illness really. The reason being, many people just really don't know how to handle it, and are worried they may say the wrong thing to you, and drive you further to despair. When someone is considering PAS/MARS due to terminal illness, it's easier for people to get their head around and negotiate the discussion - possibly because they know that person is in physical decline and so on.

Suicide in general however, especially for those suffering crippling depression and/or other mental health issues, it's still seen as really taboo. You want to empty a room quickly, you bring up suicide.

That's actually one of the reasons I really like this site. Only by having an open and honest discourse about suicide, bringing it out into the open to be talked about, instead of hushed up out of the way, can we ever hope to remove the stigma that surrounds it. Also, as someone who now strongly feels good MARS/PAS legislation should be in place everywhere, so that those who wish to leave and have passed certain checks and balances, can have access to a peaceful and painless means of doing so, it's a discussion that needs to be had.

But I digress, you'll find that the people who care about you are just really worried about making things worse for you. They're likely to be worried bout saying the wrong thing. Keep broaching the subject with them and just let them know you're looking for a sympathetic ear, someone to listen to them and there's no pressure on them to say a certain right thing and so on.

Will it last forever? I wish I could answer that one definitively for you, but unfortunately I can't. I wish I knew the answer.

Best wishes, though, with whatever you're struggling with right now and for what it's worth, I'm always happy to listen if you need a friendly ear. Take care mate.
 
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depressedexwriter

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Mar 16, 2022
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"Everyone will ignore the poor man, even if he is shouting for help in the middle of a crowded market. But even if the rich man goes to the most remote wilderness, people will seek him out" - A Chinese proverb, I believe.
 
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oneofmany1000

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"Everyone will ignore the poor man, even if he is shouting for help in the middle of a crowded market. But even if the rich man goes to the most remote wilderness, people will seek him out" - A Chinese proverb, I believe.
It's sad, because even rich people have problems, and it would really have to hurt knowing that the only reason people pretend they care is because the person has money and the so called friends seeking to help are only doing so because they are thinking about what they might gain or how helping the rich might boost their own rank in society. I hate life.
 
ForeverLonely82

ForeverLonely82

Student
Dec 22, 2021
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Far too common anymore. They always state "I don't know what to say" Ok, heartless shit stain, how about "I am sorry you're feeling this way, care to talk about it?" Or "Is there anything I am able to do to make you feel better" However no one unfortunately wants to lend their heart or hand to help someone who is emotionally drowning and that makes me sick. Why I am a misanthrope. 90% of my life I just sit here and sulk as there is nothing I can do and tried reaching out plenty of times, but I, like most of us gets ignored. Truth be told, My heart is crying, longing and craving some love. My brain is screaming, anxious and confused about why can't this be better. it isn't or ever will be. Us men are told to harden the F up, sometimes though, that toughness we built ends up breaking and we get weak from time to time and reminded we need more than we have, but will never get.
 
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Suicidebydeath

No chances to be happy - dead inside
Nov 25, 2021
3,558
This is too relatable. It makes me feel even more suicidal.
 
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Sad_Sack

Experienced
Oct 3, 2022
261
The very few actual good friends out there, some peoples parents but not all and paid therapists are the only ones who are willing to stick it out with someone who is suffering like this. Most people are not willing to subject themselves to any unnecessary discomfort. 😶
 
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brokensea

Arcanist
Aug 4, 2022
405
People are self absorbed and they don't like people bringing them down. They just want to feel good and screw your problems.
 
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nohopenohappiness

24yearsofsaddness
Oct 11, 2022
13
Simply no one cares for others in true pain no one cares no matter how much they seem to "understand you" this is truth
 
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CTB Dream

Injury damage disabl hard talk no argu make fun et
Sep 17, 2022
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Same feel injury damage all leave alone be nobody care nobody want be near veg then all pretend cry pretend against ctb
 
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Zulu

Member
Aug 10, 2022
55
This is how human brain works. But if it is a member of a family it works out better.
I must have been dealt a bad hand. When my grandfather died of his terminal illness (may he rest in peace), the rest of my paternal relatives literally threw me out of the house three weeks later. This being despite the fact I was unemployed, lost most of my possessions due to a bad relationship breakup, and suffered from severe depression and suicidal ideation. I had just graduated from college, but that didn't mean jack shit. They only cared about money, job title, prestige, and success. They literally threw me out on the street despite them having a paid off house, two cars (I had no car), food, and middle-class necessities. Oh, and the decision that was made on why I was thrown out? Money was a factor, but the main reason (I would later find out) was because I was diagnosed with Major Depressive Disorder, and they wanted nothing to do with it. They literally said to my fucking face that my way of life was pathetic.

The only way to avoid homelessness was to live with my abusive maternal relatives, where I was continually harrassed, physically abused, and a whole bunch of other really nasty shit for a year. Literally no one to save me. Somehow, I got a good job in the midst of that hell, climbed my way out of poverty, paid off my own car, and made it back to the bottom rungs of middle-class society. Now my paternal relatives want to see me again, make amends, and hang out like the good old days because I have money, a job, my own place, and am making a living.

I feel nothing, or if I do, it's deep-seated rage and emptiness. I suffer from recurring nightmares. I have severe anxiety. Suicidal ideation is still a thing, and if I ever lost my current job, my mind would immediately jump to suicide. My mind is constantly in a survivalist mindset, even though I have a stable form of living now. And, I honestly struggle trusting others, because if a relative I grew up with that I thought I could love and trust did that to me, how do I learn to trust anyone else? If they couldn't handle me at my worst, they certainly couldn't handle me at my best. I don't know how people can do that to others, especially to their own flesh and blood.

I get that the human brain can only handle so much, and that there's only so much a person can do for someone else in terms of trying to help. At a certain point, one does have to look out after themselves. But for family to literally throw you in the dumpster for not making a sustainable living after promising a place to stay is cruel. Especially if the main reason for getting kicked out is due to a physical or mental health ailment.
 
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GrumpyFrog

Exhausted
Aug 23, 2020
1,913
Not all people have the emotional capacity to be there for others when they're down. Some might lack empathy, others might be a little too empathetic and get too distressed to handle others in distress. Some people might not be emotionally mature and find it hard to find the right words (because the basic "I'm here to listen" or "how can I help?" really doesn't always work, does it?), others might be too anxious about saying the wrong thing. Supporting someone in pain is complicated and emotionally taxing. Not everyone is well cut out for this task, and frankly many people are so awful at it that them distancing themselves is probably for the better. But that doesn't mean that it is not possible to find someone who can understand you and be there for you. I understand that this might not be much of a consolation for someone who is alone and doesn't know where to look for these people, but it is not completely hopeless, there is a chance to find someone who understands and is willing to help if you keep looking. But I understand that it is not easy at all.
 
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makethepainstop

Visionary
Sep 16, 2022
2,029
Why is it that when I or other people are suicidal, down or god forbid show a little bit of pessimism that people want nothing to deal with you? Like I'm just so dumbfounded about it. I get that I or other people can be a burden but it still doesn't make any sense why does it burden them that bad? I admit that I sometimes push people away especially when I don't listen to their advice but I can't help and wish they can just understand the mindset that such negativity can do to a person. I'm such a negative person and I just… cannot change that. I can't change no matter what and I can't be the person people want me to be or I want to be. So is it going to always be like this?
Yes people are not selfless, they are selfish. One of the traits the breed possesses. I wish it wasn't so but people only like to be around happy people.
 

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