Discussion Why does everybody prefer SN over the Charcoal method?

[SynthPower]

Hear me out, SN is a super-controlled substance, you're under so many risks trying to get it. And in the other hand, the CO2 method using charcoal (is there another one?) is technically super easy to do, like, you set up burning charcoal on a grill and wait it to fill up your room with CO2 an then, you enter the room and wait to pass out. Cyanide, SN, Nembutal and etc are super expensive and hard-to-get substances, and people still sink into it, like, why?

People forget about the citric acid + baking soda too...

I've tried partial hanging so, so many times and i never manage to do it right, and people are misteaching others; user X says to do it in the Z way; user Y says to do it in the W way; user O says to do it in the P way..... SO many ways and confused explanations, that freaks me.

 

[lionetta12]

Hear me out, SN is a super-controlled substance, you're under so many risks trying to get it. And in the other hand, the CO2 method using charcoal (is there another one?) is technically super easy to do, like, you set up burning charcoal on a grill and wait it to fill up your room with CO2 an then, you enter the room and wait to pass out. Cyanide, SN, Nembutal and etc are super expensive and hard-to-get substances, and people still sink into it, like, why?

People forget about the citric acid + baking soda too...

I've tried partial hanging so, so many times and i never manage to do it right, and people are misteaching others; user X says to do it in the Z way; user Y says to do it in the W way; user O says to do it in the P way..... SO many ways and confused explanations, that freaks me.

I think the technical aspect of doing the right set up, burning it for the right amount of time, getting the tools such as fire proof carpet, CO measurer that measure up to 10k ppm, and so on, are just some of the reasons as to why many people don't want to try it.

CO was my prefered method until I read into SN and was able to obtain it. Before that I actually did get everything I need for CO except for the CO measurer as that seemed impossible to find in my country, they all just measured up to 1k ppm instead of beyond that.

I think also the risk of failure is higher since you need so many things to be done right. It might even require testing too prior just to make sure you really reach a high enough ppm for sure and don't leave yourself with brain damage.

Ultimately, the risk of being found too soon, producing too slow or little ppm, risking brain damage if I wake up from not getting enough or even starting an accidental fire due to the bbq overheating the surface it stands on, so many worries and concerns go into this, while with SN I don't have any.

Edit: my country is very expensive so I don't know if this is a good referance but the cost of getting everything for CO setup costed me the same in total as buying SN from abroad did.

 

[SynthPower]

I think the technical aspect of doing the right set up, burning it for the right amount of time, getting the tools such as fire proof carpet, CO measurer that measure up to 10k ppm, and so on, are just some of the reasons as to why many people don't want to try it.

CO was my prefered method until I read into SN and was able to obtain it. Before that I actually did get everything I need for CO except for the CO measurer as that seemed impossible to find in my country, they all just measured up to 1k ppm instead of beyond that.

I think also the risk of failure is higher since you need so many things to be done right. It might even require testing too prior just to make sure you really reach a high enough ppm for sure and don't leave yourself with brain damage.

Ultimately, the risk of being found too soon, producing too slow or little ppm, risking brain damage if I wake up from not getting enough or even starting an accidental fire due to the bbq overheating the surface it stands on, so many worries and concerns go into this, while with SN I don't have any.

Edit: my country is very expensive so I don't know if this is a good referance but the cost of getting everything for CO setup costed me the same in total as buying SN from abroad did.

you don't need CO measure, people here often get too technical about methods, and all that strength to get item per item, detail of the detail is what brings people to not succeed on their method. all you need is to buy enough charcoal to lit up and you're done. About the "getting caught" one, well, i often read people saying that they rented a room/hotel just to take SN, so that's seems like you can pass through that difficulty. There's no way i see to get SN, it is too expensive and hard to get. (and i see people talking about "D", i have no idea who is D nor where they get to contact them). And even if you can't set up a charcoal method, i still dont understand why people are so crazy about SN/N, like 80% of the forum are about those substances

 

[Thefuture]

you don't need CO measure, people here often get too technical about methods, and all that strength to get item per item, detail of the detail is what brings people to not succeed on their method. all you need is to buy enough charcoal to lit up and you're done. About the "getting caught" one, well, i often read people saying that they rented a room/hotel just to take SN, so that's seems like you can pass through that difficulty. There's no way i see to get SN, it is too expensive and hard to get. (and i see people talking about "D", i have no idea who is D nor where they get to contact them). And even if you can't set up a charcoal method, i still dont understand why people are so crazy about SN/N, like 80% of the forum are about those substances

I agree. I think people get way too technical with it. So many people have accidently died from just burning coals. I think it it going to be my method seeing as SN is a little too hard to acquire.

 

[lionetta12]

you don't need CO measure, people here often get too technical about methods, and all that strength to get item per item, detail of the detail is what brings people to not succeed on their method. all you need is to buy enough charcoal to lit up and you're done. About the "getting caught" one, well, i often read people saying that they rented a room/hotel just to take SN, so that's seems like you can pass through that difficulty. There's no way i see to get SN, it is too expensive and hard to get. (and i see people talking about "D", i have no idea who is D nor where they get to contact them). And even if you can't set up a charcoal method, i still dont understand why people are so crazy about SN/N, like 80% of the forum are about those substances

So having had CO be my prefered method, it would be hard for me to do it in practice. I don't have a car and I cannot rent one as I don't have a liscense. I've been wheelchair and crutch bound, which makes it hard for me to carry the required amount of charcoal + a tent in the middle of nowhere, let alone even get to middle of nowhere, to perform the method. No hotels near me have balconies either and my home doesn't. So that is personally why I am just gonna go with the SN that I was lucky to get.

 

[Hollowillow]

Hear me out, SN is a super-controlled substance, you're under so many risks trying to get it. And in the other hand, the CO2 method using charcoal (is there another one?) is technically super easy to do, like, you set up burning charcoal on a grill and wait it to fill up your room with CO2 an then, you enter the room and wait to pass out. Cyanide, SN, Nembutal and etc are super expensive and hard-to-get substances, and people still sink into it, like, why?

People forget about the citric acid + baking soda too...

I've tried partial hanging so, so many times and i never manage to do it right, and people are misteaching others; user X says to do it in the Z way; user Y says to do it in the W way; user O says to do it in the P way..... SO many ways and confused explanations, that freaks me.

Smoke damage can't be undone... Please use a way that won't ruin the little homes that we have.

Shit... Im into partial hanging. At least you don't sound brain damaged from failure. Put the rope a bit higher?

I wish we could rent a car & off ourselves as a group in the woods.

How much is SN?

 

[Darkover]

simplicity much more simpler to just drink a chemical than it is to set up a charcoal method

 

[DrekSS]

simplicity much more simpler to just drink a chemical than it is to set up a charcoal method

And is quite reliable to...

 

[Julgran]

you don't need CO measure, people here often get too technical about methods, and all that strength to get item per item, detail of the detail is what brings people to not succeed on their method. all you need is to buy enough charcoal to lit up and you're done. About the "getting caught" one, well, i often read people saying that they rented a room/hotel just to take SN, so that's seems like you can pass through that difficulty. There's no way i see to get SN, it is too expensive and hard to get. (and i see people talking about "D", i have no idea who is D nor where they get to contact them). And even if you can't set up a charcoal method, i still dont understand why people are so crazy about SN/N, like 80% of the forum are about those substances

Like @lionetta12 explained, people may find the charcoal method too complicated. Keep in mind that members here may be using their very last mental strength to find a method, so they may not have the mental capacity to read a lot of posts about one single method, so they instead may opt to find a relatively easy method to use, like SN, even though it may be hard to retrieve in some places in the world.

I could also say that the inert gas methods are hard to accomplish, since they require some technical skill in finding the correct gas, valve, regulator and so on. As you may guess, I too have opted for SN.

I'm curious, though - from what I have heard, the reason the body panics if one tries to strangle oneself using just a plastic bag is due to the build-up of CO2, and not the lack of oxygen. How come the charcoal method is that effective, if one is supposed to die due to the excessive CO2..? Shouldn't the charcoal method also induce the same kind of bodily panic reaction..?

 

[Sadboyspecimen]

I had a failed attempt with charcoal method. I rented a room and started a charcoal fire in the bathtub. Slammed a 6 pack and some melatonin. The smoke stung my eyes and throat bad, but I just kept breathing in and eventually knocked out. I woke up a few hours later though and the smoke had cleared. The fire had gone out before it killed me. Felt like I was drunk beyond drunk. My body was very hard to control. I threw up after trying to properly stand up and I could see the veins in my eyes everytime I blinked. I guess I was real close to ctb, but unfortunately I just couldn't keep the coals burning once I went down. It wasn't that there wasn't enough there, it just didn't ignite all of them.

 

[Hollowillow]

I had a failed attempt with charcoal method. I rented a room and started a charcoal fire in the bathtub. Slammed a 6 pack and some melatonin. The smoke stung my eyes and throat bad, but I just kept breathing in and eventually knocked out. I woke up a few hours later though and the smoke had cleared. The fire had gone out before it killed me. Felt like I was drunk beyond drunk. My body was very hard to control. I threw up after trying to properly stand up and I could see the veins in my eyes everytime I blinked. I guess I was real close to ctb, but unfortunately I just couldn't keep the coals burning once I went down. It wasn't that there wasn't enough there, it just didn't ignite all of them.

That sucks... I wish we had suicide pods.

 

[Littlewittlelight]

Hear me out, SN is a super-controlled substance, you're under so many risks trying to get it. And in the other hand, the CO2 method using charcoal (is there another one?) is technically super easy to do, like, you set up burning charcoal on a grill and wait it to fill up your room with CO2 an then, you enter the room and wait to pass out. Cyanide, SN, Nembutal and etc are super expensive and hard-to-get substances, and people still sink into it, like, why?

People forget about the citric acid + baking soda too...

I've tried partial hanging so, so many times and i never manage to do it right, and people are misteaching others; user X says to do it in the Z way; user Y says to do it in the W way; user O says to do it in the P way..... SO many ways and confused explanations, that freaks me.

Sorry but I don't think it was just burn and enter straightforward it's supposed to be harder.

 

[SynthPower]

simplicity much more simpler to just drink a chemical than it is to set up a charcoal method

it really isn't, to get that chemical you need to suffer

Like @lionetta12 explained, people may find the charcoal method too complicated. Keep in mind that members here may be using their very last mental strength to find a method, so they may not have the mental capacity to read a lot of posts about one single method, so they instead may opt to find a relatively easy method to use, like SN, even though it may be hard to retrieve in some places in the world.

I could also say that the inert gas methods are hard to accomplish, since they require some technical skill in finding the correct gas, valve, regulator and so on. As you may guess, I too have opted for SN.

I'm curious, though - from what I have heard, the reason the body panics if one tries to strangle oneself using just a plastic bag is due to the build-up of CO2, and not the lack of oxygen. How come the charcoal method is that effective, if one is supposed to die due to the excessive CO2..? Shouldn't the charcoal method also induce the same kind of bodily panic reaction..?

not really, you can find lots of news of people that died simply litting up charcoal in the winter to warm up, you won't freak too much i think

I had a failed attempt with charcoal method. I rented a room and started a charcoal fire in the bathtub. Slammed a 6 pack and some melatonin. The smoke stung my eyes and throat bad, but I just kept breathing in and eventually knocked out. I woke up a few hours later though and the smoke had cleared. The fire had gone out before it killed me. Felt like I was drunk beyond drunk. My body was very hard to control. I threw up after trying to properly stand up and I could see the veins in my eyes everytime I blinked. I guess I was real close to ctb, but unfortunately I just couldn't keep the coals burning once I went down. It wasn't that there wasn't enough there, it just didn't ignite all of them.

i almost ended up in the same way, but we did it wrong, you need to use high quality charcoal, cuz that type won't produce smoke in the room, so you could breathe and keep your eyes open normally without discomfort

Sorry but I don't think it was just burn and enter straightforward it's supposed to be harder.

it is actually, if you put it in a place that wont fire up your furniture, you wont be in problem
although you need to buy a grill and high quality charcoal, it is 100 times easier than getting SN
the time you would need to get your hands on SN you could already get a grill and a charcoal tbh

 

[Hollowillow]

Charcoal without smoke? Sorcery? I am intrigued. I wish we could do it in a cabin in the woods

 

[wantittoendsoon]

Like @lionetta12 explained, people may find the charcoal method too complicated. Keep in mind that members here may be using their very last mental strength to find a method, so they may not have the mental capacity to read a lot of posts about one single method, so they instead may opt to find a relatively easy method to use, like SN, even though it may be hard to retrieve in some places in the world.

I could also say that the inert gas methods are hard to accomplish, since they require some technical skill in finding the correct gas, valve, regulator and so on. As you may guess, I too have opted for SN.

I'm curious, though - from what I have heard, the reason the body panics if one tries to strangle oneself using just a plastic bag is due to the build-up of CO2, and not the lack of oxygen. How come the charcoal method is that effective, if one is supposed to die due to the excessive CO2..? Shouldn't the charcoal method also induce the same kind of bodily panic reaction..?

Charcoal produces CO(Carbon Monoxide) not CO2(Carbon Dioxide) no panic involved. I'm going with the exit bag with Nitrogen route.

 

[UKscotty]

SN is not in any way controlled, that is a big misconception. Some sellers just limit it.
However it is used widely in food and is easy to get with the tiniest bit of effort. Heck, Amazon even stated clearly they won't be removing it.

As for methods, SN and the BBQ methods are both notorious for being unreliable and slow. Anyone serious about a method like that would go for the much quicker and more lethal H2S method.

 

[LittleBlackCat]

CO failure can cause brain damage there is a good chance of survival with SN failure if found quickly enough

 

[deathissosad]

I wish we could rent a car & off ourselves as a group in the woods.

Mini jhonestown or heavens gate vibes here. But in reality that would be wild ad in a kinda cool way. Group SaSu offing

 

[hi123456789]

SN is not in any way controlled, that is a big misconception. Some sellers just limit it.
However it is used widely in food and is easy to get with the tiniest bit of effort. Heck, Amazon even stated clearly they won't be removing it.

As for methods, SN and the BBQ methods are both notorious for being unreliable and slow. Anyone serious about a method like that would go for the much quicker and more lethal H2S method.

Amazon said that? They don't sell it though?

 

[UKscotty]

No on their UK or most EU stores but that only due to media moaning. They sell it on USA site.

As for the method in general, it is exceptionally unreliable. Do some proper research.

 

[UpandDownPrincess]

SN is not in any way controlled, that is a big misconception. Some sellers just limit it.
However it is used widely in food and is easy to get with the tiniest bit of effort. Heck, Amazon even stated clearly they won't be removing it.

As for methods, SN and the BBQ methods are both notorious for being unreliable and slow. Anyone serious about a method like that would go for the much quicker and more lethal H2S method.

H2S is neither instant or guaranteed lethal. I am living proof.

Please don't encourage this method. It was so successful in Japan because of a difference in the over the counter products sold there. Their chemical makeup has since been altered. People tend to forget that with the chemicals needed for the H2S, there are many other chemicals in these products that cause all sorts of other reactions.

The chemical reaction, if done in amounts needed to produce the gas quickly, can be violent and, if splashed, you will wind up with chemical burns that will make you wish you were dead. But you won't be.

The gas will take time to build up - and forget opening the door and getting in once the reaction has started. It will reduce the concentration and you'll still have to wait.

You'll leave an ugly corpse. (I mention this because many people think this method is better than SN blueness.) The yellow of the sulfur will be evident on your face, especially near your nose and mouth.

Plus, this shit burns. Not just your lungs. You will likely end up with a scarred esophagus and lungs. Swallowing easily will become a thing of the past.

Please see my other posts for more info.

H2S is a very bad idea. First responders can be injured or die. People do not stop to read signs when they are trying to save a life. The reaction produces water which will make signs difficult or impossible to read.

I'm not pro-life - I've been here for years. I have a failed CTB with H2S and a long history of bipolar I. I'm not against people opting to end their lives. But I do feel obligated to share my experience and help people avoid this very misunderstood method.

Edited to clarify.

 

[jessisme]

No on their UK or most EU stores but that only due to media moaning. They sell it on USA site.

As for the method in general, it is exceptionally unreliable. Do some proper research.

Amazon USA does not carry Sodium Nitrite.

 

[MideonNViscera]

Too dangerous to other people is my reason. Then to make it safe for everyone else is a shitload of work. It does sound kind of peaceful, but it also requires a hell of a lot of privacy.

 

[SynthPower]

Charcoal produces CO(Carbon Monoxide) not CO2(Carbon Dioxide) no panic involved. I'm going with the exit bag with Nitrogen route.

It is Co2.

CO failure can cause brain damage there is a good chance of survival with SN failure if found quickly enough

SN has the same brain damage risk
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SN is not in any way controlled, that is a big misconception. Some sellers just limit it.
However it is used widely in food and is easy to get with the tiniest bit of effort. Heck, Amazon even stated clearly they won't be removing it.

As for methods, SN and the BBQ methods are both notorious for being unreliable and slow. Anyone serious about a method like that would go for the much quicker and more lethal H2S method.

Amazon does not sell SN.

 

[wantittoendsoon]

It is Co2.

I guess you are right, it produces both...I would think that that would trigger a SI response,, what am I missing?

 

[Someone123]

Hear me out, SN is a super-controlled substance, you're under so many risks trying to get it. And in the other hand, the CO2 method using charcoal (is there another one?) is technically super easy to do, like, you set up burning charcoal on a grill and wait it to fill up your room with CO2 an then, you enter the room and wait to pass out. Cyanide, SN, Nembutal and etc are super expensive and hard-to-get substances, and people still sink into it, like, why?

People forget about the citric acid + baking soda too...

I've tried partial hanging so, so many times and i never manage to do it right, and people are misteaching others; user X says to do it in the Z way; user Y says to do it in the W way; user O says to do it in the P way..... SO many ways and confused explanations, that freaks me.

Charcoal is not super easy to do, but I will say that when it is well done it is a very peaceful method and better than sn. IUf this method is done ina a car or a tent that is well sealed this can be feasible. Going into a room with the charcoal is though, it would take a huge amount of charcoal to work in an average bedroom because there is so much air in the room, and it couldn't be smoking when you bring it in, plus no one could see you doing this. I read of someone who had a plan for a sealed off small bathroom, but it has to be perfectly sealed off. I have heard of charcoal working in a car, this seems like mayeb the easieerst place to do it- obviously the vents have to be sealed. BUt where can you go to light the charcoal and put it in a car and have it not look susupicious? It's a much more difficult method to do than sn when you really dig into the details of what it would take to actually get it to wqork. Sn has a lot of bad risks though, though all things considered, sn is probbaly the best method that I have access to. Charcoal can be peaceful if you can get all the details to work. A very well done charcoal method is more peaceful sn method, but it's not easy or even feasible for most people to get this method to work when you dig into the details.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

I would never prefer SN over CO. If done correctly, CO is faster, much faster, than even N, and much more peaceful (because it is so fast) than SN. Small space like a tent, several small pails of charcoal burning red/white hot, should really be all that is required. If you're not comfortable with it, though, don't do it, as you can mess yourself up really bad if you fail.

 

[SynthPower]

I would never prefer SN over CO. If done correctly, CO is faster, much faster, than even N, and much more peaceful (because it is so fast) than SN. Small space like a tent, several small pails of charcoal burning red/white hot, should really be all that is required. If you're not comfortable with it, though, don't do it, as you can mess yourself up really bad if you fail.

Like, here on SS you can find a ton of SN failures and it is TERRIBLE. People often faints on their own vomit. The cons of SN are reaallly terrible.

In the other hand, Charcoal will make you lose your consciousness really fast as it doesn't depends on your body type like SN does. + it does not messes up with your body, while SN makes you look blue and can scare your family a lot.

I guess you are right, it produces both...I would think that that would trigger a SI response,, what am I missing?

CO2 is produced if the burning reaches its completeness (100%) and CO is produced if not. The SI wouldn't trigger i think, as it would make you lose your consciousness when you breathe it. Not sure if the sensation of breathing it is indistinguishable tho, it may be a little strange

 

[locked*n*loaded]

+ it does not messes up with your body,

Not entirely true. There can be signs of CO poisoning that show on the body. Plus, it can really mess you up BAD if you fail at it. You could become a vegetable if you fail.

The SI wouldn't trigger i think, as it would make you lose your consciousness when you breathe it. Not sure if the sensation of breathing it is indistinguishable tho, it may be a little strange

How quickly you lose consciousness is directly related to the level of CO that is present in your space. You need to be able to generate enough CO to get levels of CO to 10000 PPM or more, if you want to reach unconsciousness quickly. That's where a CO meter capable of measuring levels that high can come in very handy.

 

[Decided98]

I've read a report a women attempted the charcoal method survived, now has to have limbs amputated so I've moved to SN.