Why do some people prefer N over SN?

[mentalhealthfighter]

N = Nembutal = pills, right? If that fails it can leave you damaged right? So why do people still pick N over SN?

 

[celan]

n is the peaceful pill. it's the holy grail of suicide and has a good reputation in our scene. sn is relatively new, i think it was first mentioned in the pph in 2019, if i remember correctly. i think in the next few years it will replace n.
n is probably a little bit more peaceful. it kills you in your sleep and in the best scenario you won't experience any discomfort. sn could make you feel a little dizzy and you might puke.

 

[YourNeighbor]

N is a peaceful death-usually just involves falling asleep before death.

SN is not a peaceful death-usually involves heart racing, hyperventilating, vomiting, convulsions, stomach pains, etc., according to the few descriptions here.

 

[xLosthopex]

Because N is a more peaceful and quicker death than SN
And no it's not pills it's liquid

 

[sully]

There are pros and cons for every method… sn is actually safer (in terms of failure damage), more accesible… but process will involve at least some discomfort in most cases… most preople vomit the first cup and need to drink the second one while feeling nauseous and dizzy. There will be painful sensations or burning which probably can be solved with painkillers. Or heart racing which can be solved with proplanolol.

N is worse in terms of failure damage and problematic for people with tolerance to pills (like myself) or alcohol… I think for N 24h or even 48h protocol is the must. So for using N it's especially important. Taste is horrible in both cases. But the process of ctb-ing with N doesn't involve almost any discomfort - you just fall asleep. That's why people prefer it.

 

[watchingthewheels]

N is worse in terms of failure damage

That's the first I'm hearing of this. Nothing about that in the PPH, nor in the anectodes...

 

[yellothere]

N is a peaceful death-usually just involves falling asleep before death.

SN is not a peaceful death-usually involves heart racing, hyperventilating, vomiting, convulsions, stomach pains, etc., according to the few descriptions here.

What if you take a sleeping pill or benzo to calm down or make you drowsy first?

 

[sully]

That's the first I'm hearing of this. Nothing about that in the PPH, nor in the anectodes...

If a person is discovered after drinking N and not dead it means he is in a coma. The longer you are comatose the more damage to the brain etc. SN doesn't usually involve coma, as far as I know… Am I right? Maybe someone will correct me. You either die or vomit it and have intoxication symptomes and live…

What if you take a sleeping pill or benzo to calm down or make you drowsy first?

A lot of people do that… pills, alcohol, whatever calms you, it's ok. Just don't do too much and don't do opioids they increase the possibility of vomiting.

 

[YourNeighbor]

What if you take a sleeping pill or benzo to calm down or make you drowsy first?

No clue, never tried. As SN is a poison with no medicinal/therapeutic purpose, I suspect that will still be rough.

 

[Forgotten]

Because N is basically falling asleep, N can be liquid or powder, but I believe the most common is liquid, with SN you will have reactions for minutes before losing consciousness and you need to make sure things will go smoothly with all the preparations beforehand and also be ready for the vomit and drinking the 2nd dose all this while your heart is racing and you're already dizzy from the first dose.

 

[mentalhealthfighter]

There are pros and cons for every method… sn is actually safer (in terms of failure damage), more accesible… but process will involve at least some discomfort in most cases… most preople vomit the first cup and need to drink the second one while feeling nauseous and dizzy. There will be painful sensations or burning which probably can be solved with painkillers. Or heart racing which can be solved with proplanolol.

N is worse in terms of failure damage and problematic for people with tolerance to pills (like myself) or alcohol… I think for N 24h or even 48h protocol is the must. So for using N it's especially important. Taste is horrible in both cases. But the process of ctb-ing with N doesn't involve almost any discomfort - you just fall asleep. That's why people prefer it.

What do you mean by protocol? Fasting?

If a person is discovered after drinking N and not dead it means he is in a coma. The longer you are comatose the more damage to the brain etc. SN doesn't usually involve coma, as far as I know… Am I right? Maybe someone will correct me. You either die or vomit it and have intoxication symptomes and live…


A lot of people do that… pills, alcohol, whatever calms you, it's ok. Just don't do too much and don't do opioids they increase the possibility of vomiting.

Actually, today I read a thread of someone that awoke from a 2 week coma after taking SN. He was found early and put in the hospital.

 

[sully]

What do you mean by protocol? Fasting?

Actually, today I read a thread of someone that awoke from a 2 week coma after taking SN. He was found early and put in the hospital.

I mean that with N you should not be discovered as long as possible, at least 24h.

well, I read that mechanism of action of SN (Methemoglobinemia) also can cause a coma… but honestly I've seen cases of coma with SN way less (here), it's either death or just intoxication if it doesn't work

 

[mentalhealthfighter]

I mean that with N you should not be discovered as long as possible, at least 24h.

well, I read that mechanism of action of SN (Methemoglobinemia) also can cause a coma… but honestly I've seen cases of coma with SN way less (here), it's either death or just intoxication if it doesn't work

Yeah and coma doesn't even matter if you wont be found

 

[sully]

Yeah and coma doesn't even matter if you wont be found

Well it depends on the duration of a coma… noone can predict that, we can only follow instructions and share experience.

 

[ItsTimeToExit]

n is the peaceful pill. it's the holy grail of suicide and has a good reputation in our scene. sn is relatively new, i think it was first mentioned in the pph in 2019, if i remember correctly. i think in the next few years it will replace n.
n is probably a little bit more peaceful. it kills you in your sleep and in the best scenario you won't experience any discomfort. sn could make you feel a little dizzy and you might puke.

What makes you say that SN will replace N in the coming years?

The only downside to N is acquiring it but past that, N is undoubtedly the best method because its super simple (just drink) and the only discomfort you will experience is the taste. You won't even feel yourself falling asleep, you'll just be gone

The concern about failing with N and the "permanent damage" is irrational in my opinion. This study shows that it is possible to survive N without brain damage https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6314932/

Another study ends with "The patient recovered without any neurological sequelae." IE: No brain damage. https://www.proquest.com/openview/fd33f2acd839f7a83fa2080ab82b596a/1?pq-origsite=gscholar&cbl=226517

Hell, we have our own poster on this forum who gave a very long post about failing with N. You cannot do that with brain damage...

The reason you able able to read about "failed" cases of N ingestion is because of the rarity of such an event. The probability of surviving N is low unless you get early medical intervention. The vast majority of people drinking N will be free from this world within ~1 to 2 hours assuming you ingest the correct amount of N and haven't developed a strong resistance to the barbituates.

More than 24 hours is pointless but if it gives you mental comfort then go for it. Just don't sell it as a "must do" because its not.

 

[celan]

What makes you say that SN will replace N in the coming years?

The only downside to N is acquiring it but past that, N is undoubtedly the best method because its super simple (just drink) and the only discomfort you will experience is the taste. You won't even feel yourself falling asleep, you'll just be gone

The concern about failing with N and the "permanent damage" is irrational in my opinion. This study shows that it is possible to survive N without brain damage https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6314932/

Another study ends with "The patient recovered without any neurological sequelae." IE: No brain damage. https://www.proquest.com/openview/fd33f2acd839f7a83fa2080ab82b596a/1?pq-origsite=gscholar&cbl=226517

Hell, we have our own poster on this forum who gave a very long post about failing with N. You cannot do that with brain damage...

The reason you able able to read about "failed" cases of N ingestion is because of the rarity of such an event. The probability of surviving N is low unless you get early medical intervention. The vast majority of people drinking N will be free from this world within ~1 to 2 hours assuming you ingest the correct amount of N and haven't developed a strong resistance to the barbituates.

More than 24 hours is pointless but if it gives you mental comfort then go for it. Just don't sell it as a "must do" because its not.

i appreciate n very much and wish that everyone who wants to end his life with it, will get the opportunity to obtain it. but it is expensive and it is probably not easy to get it through customs.
maybe i was wrong when i said, that sn will replace n. but sn is quite easy to obtain (at least for me) and is relatively painless - at least compared to other traditional methods. i think it's a godsend for all people that are suffering.

and i didn't claim, that n will induce brain damage by the way.

 

[sully]

i appreciate n very much and wish that everyone who wants to end his life with it, will get the opportunity to obtain it. but it is expensive and it is probably not easy to get it through customs.
maybe i was wrong when i said, that sn will replace n. but sn is quite easy to obtain (at least for me) and is relatively painless - at least compared to other traditional methods. i think it's a godsend for all people that are suffering.

and i didn't claim, that n will induce brain damage by the way.

You're right, when you realize how hard it is to actually ctb and that normal pills will do nothing SN is really a godsend for those who can't afford N or can't order it because of customs. Most importantly it's effective and with the right preparation can be relatively peaceful.

 

[yellothere]

You're right, when you realize how hard it is to actually ctb and that normal pills will do nothing SN is really a godsend for those who can't afford N or can't order it because of customs. Most importantly it's effective and with the right preparation can be relatively peaceful.

Peaceful? If you taken something to calm down you should be able to fall asleep without being awkward if side effects right?

 

[Miri]

Bueno, depende de la duración del coma ... nadie puede predecir eso, solo podemos seguir instrucciones y compartir experiencias.

What makes you say that SN will replace N in the coming years?

The only downside to N is acquiring it but past that, N is undoubtedly the best method because its super simple (just drink) and the only discomfort you will experience is the taste. You won't even feel yourself falling asleep, you'll just be gone :corazón:

The concern about failing with N and the "permanent damage" is irrational in my opinion. This study shows that it is possible to survive N without brain damage https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6314932/

Another study ends with "The patient recovered without any neurological sequelae." IE: No brain damage. https://www.proquest.com/openview/fd33f2acd839f7a83fa2080ab82b596a/1?pq-origsite=gscholar&cbl=226517

Demonios, tenemos nuestro propio póster en este foro que dio una publicación muy larga sobre fallar con N. No puedes hacer eso con daño cerebral ...

La razón por la que pudo leer sobre casos "fallidos" de ingestión de N es por la rareza de tal evento. La probabilidad de sobrevivir a N es baja a menos que obtenga una intervención médica temprana. La gran mayoría de las personas que beben N se liberarán de este mundo en aproximadamente 1 a 2 horas, suponiendo que ingiera la cantidad correcta de N y no haya desarrollado una fuerte resistencia a los barbitúricos.

Más de 24 horas no tiene sentido, pero si te da consuelo mental, hazlo. Simplemente no lo venda como algo "imprescindible" porque no lo es.

Why everybody say N is free pain? We dont know how could it feels when you are in coma and your breath and heart stop, have you ever watched a video after people fall asleep?

 

[sully]

What makes you say that SN will replace N in the coming years?

The only downside to N is acquiring it but past that, N is undoubtedly the best method because its super simple (just drink) and the only discomfort you will experience is the taste. You won't even feel yourself falling asleep, you'll just be gone

The concern about failing with N and the "permanent damage" is irrational in my opinion. This study shows that it is possible to survive N without brain damage https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6314932/

Another study ends with "The patient recovered without any neurological sequelae." IE: No brain damage. https://www.proquest.com/openview/fd33f2acd839f7a83fa2080ab82b596a/1?pq-origsite=gscholar&cbl=226517

Hell, we have our own poster on this forum who gave a very long post about failing with N. You cannot do that with brain damage...

The reason you able able to read about "failed" cases of N ingestion is because of the rarity of such an event. The probability of surviving N is low unless you get early medical intervention. The vast majority of people drinking N will be free from this world within ~1 to 2 hours assuming you ingest the correct amount of N and haven't developed a strong resistance to the barbituates.

More than 24 hours is pointless but if it gives you mental comfort then go for it. Just don't sell it as a "must do" because its not.

well, the first guy was hospitalized literally like 15 minutes after he ingested N… no wonder there were no complications.

the second case it doesn't say how much time passed since he ingested it (maybe also not much) but he was hospitalized for 6 days and it says there that nervous system was the last to recover and there was a possibility of brain damage but it didn't happen. He got lucky…

There were also threads pf people who drank it, were discovered like 6 hours later and recovered quite quickly

but still I'm sure that going into coma is more frequent with N than SN (I can hardly remember any case) and just that (the probability of coma) makes N more problematic in case of failure

 

[ItsTimeToExit]

Why everybody say N is free pain?

Because it is.

We dont know how could it feels when you are in coma and your breath and heart stop

Have you done any research on what a coma is?

have you ever watched a video after people fall asleep?

From using N? Yes, I have.

But if you want to convince yourself that N is terrible despite the overwhelming evidence against you, go for it.

 

[sully]

Peaceful? If you taken something to calm down you should be able to fall asleep without being awkward if side effects right?

According to instructions on this site (stan's guide for example) you can take benzos to calm down and some sleeping pills to help the process. But it's not a guarantee, you still might vomit so you need to have another glass ready, drink it and try to hold it inside. Normally the second glass will do the job if you vomited the first. As for alcohol I remember that it's not recommended in large amounts (increases chance of vomiting). Maybe a little bit before. Proplanolol for tachycardia and any painkillers for stomack ache. Some people also use sprays with numbing effect not to feel the taste (very salty). But I can't tell you how effective they are… the rest about ae and fasting you can find in stans guide

 

[orangepotato]

N is the golden ticket as far as suicide methods go. Only maybe Fentanyl is as peaceful and painless as N. For me, it's because it's so easy. Take my anti-emetic, pour my 2 bottles of Nembutal into a glass, and chug chug chug, and fade to sleep and never wake up in this horrible world ever again.

 

[sully]

Why everybody say N is free pain? We dont know how could it feels when you are in coma and your breath and heart stop, have you ever watched a video after people fall asleep?

There are multiple videos from assisted death organizations of people taking N. N is used for euthanasia in some countries. Mostly they are awake a couple of minutes after and talk but then just fall asleep silently.

I was administered propofol (also a barbiturate) many times for medical exams and it's a very pleasant feeling of falling asleep.

Anyway I don't see how N can be painful… SN may cause discomfort in the stomach because of its nature (it's a salt) but N is just a barbiturate, it puts you to sleep, that's all it does.

N is the golden ticket as far as suicide methods go. Only maybe Fentanyl is as peaceful and painless as N. For me, it's because it's so easy. Take my anti-emetic, pour my 2 bottles of Nembutal into a glass, and chug chug chug, and fade to sleep and never wake up in this horrible world ever again.

To drink 200 ml of very bitter liquid with alcohol and antifreeze is not that easy, unfortunately. that's my main concern, it might make me gag or vomit if it's really nasty. I'm not saying it's impossible, people here did it succesfully, just saying it's not that easy with veterinary nembutal, coating the mouth with stuff doesn't help a lot according to people who drank it. In any case, we should just try hard, drink it and hold it in. Just saying that some people have weak stomachs or really sensitive to bitterness so probably different methods are needed to mask the taste…

 

[ItsTimeToExit]

well, the first guy was hospitalized literally like 15 minutes after he ingested N… no wonder there were no complications.

the second case it doesn't say how much time passed since he ingested it (maybe also not much) but he was hospitalized for 6 days and it says there that nervous system was the last to recover and there was a possibility of brain damage but it didn't happen. He got lucky…

Yes. These are the exceptional cases, the ones that sit on the outer edges of the bell curve.

There were also threads pf people who drank it, were discovered like 6 hours later and recovered quite quickly

Sources please? Assuming this is true and they were able to later post even after +- 6 hours of presumably cerebral hypoxia, they still came out without any brain damage....

but still I'm sure that going into coma is more frequent with N than SN (I can hardly remember any case) and just that (the probability of coma) makes N more problematic in case of failure

No need to be uncertain or even mention frequency of N induced comas because that is exactly what (extreme) overdosing on N does (which eventually causes respiratory failure because your brain cannot function correctly). Pentobarbital is used for medically induce comas.

To drink 200 ml of very bitter liquid with alcohol and antifreeze

Antifreeze? Do you mean antiemetic?

 

[sully]

Sources please? Assuming this is true and they were able to later post even after +- 6 hours of presumably cerebral hypoxia, they still came out without any brain damage....

I think it was this user. He said he got lucky too, brain damage was possible

Post in thread 'How lethal is Nembutal?'
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/how-lethal-is-nembutal.72620/post-1319369

Antifreeze? Do you mean antiemetic?

No, I read somewhere here that D bottles contain alcohol (probably benzyl alcohol) as a volume maker or as a preservative and antifreeze. Maybe because those bottles are meant for injections not for drinking the ingredients may vary… its not the powdered N mixed in clear water, those bottles contain other production imgridients so it maybe more difficult to ingest than powdered nembutal (which is also bitter)

 

[ItsTimeToExit]

No, I read somewhere here that D bottles contain alcohol (probably benzyl alcohol) as a volume maker or as a preservative and antifreeze. Maybe because those bottles are meant for injections not for drinking the ingredients may vary… its not the powdered N mixed in clear water, those bottles contain other production imgridients so it maybe more difficult to ingest than powdered nembutal (which is also bitter)

Found the post. https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/n-from-d.68604/page-2#post-1305494

The list of ingredients he yoinked straight from https://www.rxlist.com/nembutal-drug.htm#indications, the one he is focusing on to claim as antifreeze is propylene glycol. But I hope this is just a misinterpretation from his part.... Care to comment on your assertion, @Nametagged?

It seems like he is claiming that propylene glycol IS antifreeze when it most certainly is not antifreeze. It can be used as an ingredient in the production of antifreeze but you need a hell of a lot more than what our tiny bottles of N can hold before it becomes any real concern. Propylene glycol is used so many food products that you've very likely consumed some today.

 

[sully]

Found the post. https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/n-from-d.68604/page-2#post-1305494

The list of ingredients he yoinked straight from https://www.rxlist.com/nembutal-drug.htm#indications, the one he is focusing on to claim as antifreeze is propylene glycol. But I hope this is just a misinterpretation from his part.... Care to comment on your assertion, @Nametagged?

It seems like he is claiming that propylene glycol IS antifreeze when it most certainly is not antifreeze. It can be used as an ingredient in the production of antifreeze but you need a hell of a lot more than what our tiny bottles of N can hold before it becomes any real concern. Propylene glycol is used so many food products that you've very likely consumed some today.

you're right. I found that propylenglycol is used in the production of antifreeze so I guess it's not antifreeze itself.
Anyway, point is, pure N is bitter and unpleasant on its own but veterinary N is also mixed with other chemicals, preservatives, volume makers, smells like alcohol, etc. All that probably makes it worse and also the amount to drink is bigger, 200 ml is quite a drink (with powdered N amount of water is little, probably a single gulp is enough). So my whole point was that to drink veterinary N is not supereasy and also involves some kind of preparation (mental at least). But I'm sure most people here can do it.

 

[bed]

What do you mean by protocol? Fasting?

Actually, today I read a thread of someone that awoke from a 2 week coma after taking SN. He was found early and put in the hospital.

could you link the source, please?

 

[PeacefulTonic]

N over SN should always be a no-brainer