Venting Why do so many people on here act like suicide is easy?

[FuneralCry]

I don't understand the people who say things like why carry on if it's all meaningless, why are you still here, why don't you just ctb then if you hate it so much and in general act like suicide is as easy as just flicking a switch to turn off our existence. It's tiresome and irritating when people continue to act like suicide is easy even on a website which is literally full of posts of people struggling to find ways to reliably die, this forum shows exactly how difficult suicide really is, if it really is so straightforward to cease existing there would be nowhere near the amount of posts on here about methods.

But in my case I'm only still trapped here as suicide methods are either risky or inaccessible, the reality is that we exist in this society where suicide is purposely made so difficult for people in the first place. Sadly a peaceful and guaranteed death is a privledge only reserved for animals with humans having to struggle to find a way to cease existing themselves and what I'd also fear is trying to die somehow going wrong and leading to more suffering.

When people act like suicide really is so straightforward it just shows how ignorant they really are, as after all as humans we are all programmed to survive anyway.
I bet they wouldn't act all confused as to why people continue to exist even if they hate life if something happened to make them want to die and they wanted a way to exit.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

I agree. Most people are too stuck up to realise how hard suicide actually is. Or they just glorify suffering too much

 

[CloudyNightSky]

Yeah I don't get it either. It's ignorant and shows that this person has no respect for the fear or pain, that suicide involves. So many attempts fail and it's a punch in the face if someone says to them "but it's so easy". It's not.

 

[Endoflifecomestoall]

I don't understand the people who say things like why carry on if it's all meaningless, why are you still here, why don't you just ctb then if you hate it so much and in general act like suicide is as easy as just flicking a switch to turn off our existence. It's tiresome and irritating when people continue to act like suicide is easy even on a website which is literally full of posts of people struggling to find ways to reliably die, this forum shows exactly how difficult suicide really is, if it really is so straightforward to cease existing there would be nowhere near the amount of posts on here about methods.

But in my case I'm only still trapped here as suicide methods are either risky or inaccessible, the reality is that we exist in this society where suicide is purposely made so difficult for people in the first place. Sadly a peaceful and guaranteed death is a privledge only reserved for animals with humans having to struggle to find a way to cease existing themselves and what I'd also fear is trying to die somehow going wrong and leading to more suffering.

When people act like suicide really is so straightforward it just shows how ignorant they really are, as after all as humans we are all programmed to survive anyway.
I bet they wouldn't act all confused as to why people continue to exist even if they hate life if something happened to make them want to die and they wanted a way to exit.

Exactly. For me it is not easy but I gave a rare neurological disease and will be wasting the lives of others being my carer. Plus the end is too horrible to even think

 

[dreamingofrest]

Exactly this. It's not simple or easy, there's no off button people can simply press and CTB without possible mental, physical, and financial consequences. This is especially true today with medical advancements to save people after attempts and governments engaging in suicide prevention measures.

 

[casual_existence]

Well if you spend enough time preparing it should get easier. Like the monks who light themselves on fire.

Also there's some neuroscience research that indicates that it might not be the case that we naturally have a fear of death. In other words fear of death is learned so it can be unlearned.

Of course the means to take ones life are difficult to get but once you have them there shouldn't be much of a reason to stick around if one is sufficiently committed.

I already have everything I need. That's what I'm trying to do right now. Getting in the right mindset. Unfortunately monks take a long time to get to a point where they self immolate so I don't expect to get there any time soon. Also there's no instructions on getting to such a mindset so this is basically all on us.

In my understanding the Buddhists have it right. If we don't spend time understanding ourselves and our place in the world (among other things) then doing anything is impossible.

Just look at all the people on here that have a fear of some kind. Whether it's terrestrial or spiritual or whatever it's clear that they're not willing to let go. Most people seem to depend on a sudden burst of emotion to take their life and even then if they fail they seriously regret it.

So many people on here look up to SN as some kind of magical pill to take one's life when there are other alternatives that would be similarly effective. Endlessly worried about some detail when just about all the instructions are on the megathreads. Although I'm not too sure if it's true that most people prefer SN on this website but it sure looks like it

Anyway I'm not saying that taking one's life is easy but it can get easier at least psychologically.

 

[Unattainable666]

I don't understand the people who say things like why carry on if it's all meaningless, why are you still here, why don't you just ctb then if you hate it so much and in general act like suicide is as easy as just flicking a switch to turn off our existence. It's tiresome and irritating when people continue to act like suicide is easy even on a website which is literally full of posts of people struggling to find ways to reliably die, this forum shows exactly how difficult suicide really is, if it really is so straightforward to cease existing there would be nowhere near the amount of posts on here about methods.

But in my case I'm only still trapped here as suicide methods are either risky or inaccessible, the reality is that we exist in this society where suicide is purposely made so difficult for people in the first place. Sadly a peaceful and guaranteed death is a privledge only reserved for animals with humans having to struggle to find a way to cease existing themselves and what I'd also fear is trying to die somehow going wrong and leading to more suffering.

When people act like suicide really is so straightforward it just shows how ignorant they really are, as after all as humans we are all programmed to survive anyway.
I bet they wouldn't act all confused as to why people continue to exist even if they hate life if something happened to make them want to die and they wanted a way to exit.

I agree. It's not easy SI kicks in and terror and fear take over (trust me I know). When I try again I'm hoping I don't fail this time.

 

[Darkover]

it could be easy if euthanasia was a legal worldwide

 

[Simba]

You talk about how animals have the choice to leave well they may have a choice but they can't speak for themselves ,someone else has to be their mouth. That's a bit too unfair if you ask me :(

 

[Leavesfromthevine]

It's all about perspective. While I don't think it's easy to ctb I always look at risk vs reward. Most methods have a high risk and high reward so it takes an immense amount of commitment and lack of SI to actually attempt. I suppose some people just don't care what happens if they fail either so it appears easy to them.
Everyone is different while ctb might feel difficult for you it might be super easy for others similar to how simply talking is hard for some while others can talk a lot.

 

[oddetoad]

Everyone is different and have different difficulty in ending it. Although I think a lot of people underestimate it alot

 

[breezeboy]

Nothing in life is easy. But whats a little more pain if it means putting a stop to it forever?
700,000 people do it a year.
There are proven methods and this site can help people find them and execute them as safely as possible.
Ive always admired people who can go through with it. I think it's brave

 

[alphaomega]

in general act like suicide is as easy as just flicking a switch to turn off our existence

Have you considered that there may be a bit of wishful thinking involved? Life is more bearable if you have an alternative even if that alternative is all in your mind. "I could if I wanted to" gives you control of your destiny which may be reassuring to those who otherwise would feel that they have no power over things. Also, those who consider themselves failures in life can do without contemplating that they may also be failures in trying to do something about it.

 

[Mistiie]

I think people don't say it's easy, but for people who manage to make their way to this site, it's not exactly immensely difficult to pull off. There are guides scattered all over this site on how to do it. I'd be surprised if anyone right now reading this thread wasn't in a room with something that could let them CTB and have a high chance of doing so. The only difference between the desired CTB methods and the ones available to OP and everyone else is the luxury they provide. Most of the ones everyone has available to them are painful, which is why they're not outlawed (because there's already a personal, much more powerful deterrent present through that pain), and the ones that everyone desires are the (relatively) painless ones. Even then, I find that the painless ones aren't actually hard to acquire, you just have to have the know-how and a moderate amount of money, usually below £1,000, if not always.

This will be a bit of a tangent from the main discussion but the reason why I think people are getting a little bit toxic with the "If you hate life, then why don't you CTB?" is because there's a lot of people on here who are just broken records at this point. I won't go into names but you can find them easily with a good bit of memory and scrolling through their postings. They post the exact same thing, day after day, and comment almost the exact same things about how miserable they find their life on other people's posts. I imagine this gets a bit annoying after a while, because it's a daily/bidaily occurrence and more often than not, it feels as though they're going for a creative writing project with their posts rather than actually expressing their misery. Not to mention that there's almost no variation in the information they provide, nor is the information they provide of any use. It's effectively "I agree, I hate my life" ad nauseum. There's nothing anyone can do about it but to those people that do this (you probably know who you are), if people get mad at you for posting about how you want to CTB daily or twice a day but don't do it and just repeat the same thing over and over, don't complain.

 

[WhiteRabbit]

I don't think suicide is easy by any means, but I do understand why people wonder why you're still here.

 

[Heading to Darkness]

You're so right, I dont know where u are but in the UK its getting harder and harder. Plus hardworking people are having to use foodbanks and the homeless numbers growing so people wanting to ctb is growing toom no future here

 

[betternever2havbeen]

It's definitely not easy and usually I hate people asking the question but when you constantly repeat that suicide is the only logical option in all circumstances far more than you take any steps towards it I think people wonder why.

 

[Light Dreamer]

I feel like the level of difficulty depends on your location and financial situation. But also the hidden factor, determination. Truly if you are determined enough, many methods you wouldn't normally consider start to open up.
Personally, my own determination is lacking as I have always been a coward, cannot really tolerate stress very well and such a decision would output quite a bit.
But I am grateful for this place, spending time here makes it easier to come to terms with reality and the inevitable conclusion to my journey.

 

[Fktw0rld]

It's very tiring and overwhelming once you become committed. The amount of research that needs to be done, acquiring the proper materials, practice (depending on whether or not your chosen method even allows for practice), the anxiety and anticipation, the planning, then finally overcoming si, finding 2 opposite mindsets (prepared to kill / prepared to die) and maintaining them throughout the process. I've been at it for roughly 3 years now, 18 months excessively. My date has been revised 4 times so far. If anything, self deletion is the most complicated task one can shoulder. And requires more bravery than anyone possesses.

 

[UKscotty]

I think this is the main issue and misconception.

Suicide its self is easier and more accessible than ever. Substances such as pentobarbital (nembutal), fentanyl, SN and heroin etc are available at your finger tips on darknet markets. We also have a mix of countless other methods, coupled with a government and society who doesn't care about suicide and a health service in no position to help. Objectively, suicide is at its prime, never been a better time for it.

What's hard is over coming the survival instinct. Any of us who has enough SI left is simply just not yet 100% ready to go.

 

[Obliviate]

It's all about perspective. While I don't think it's easy to ctb I always look at risk vs reward. Most methods have a high risk and high reward so it takes an immense amount of commitment and lack of SI to actually attempt. I suppose some people just don't care what happens if they fail either so it appears easy to them.
Everyone is different while ctb might feel difficult for you it might be super easy for others similar to how simply talking is hard for some while others can talk a lot.

I really love your name and profile picture. Uncle Iroh is the best.

 

[Leavesfromthevine]

I really love your name and profile picture. Uncle Iroh is the best.

Thank you! I agree it's hard not to love Uncle Iroh

 

[The_screaming_dawn]

I believe it is simply the inability to wrap their minds about why one actually wants to ctb. Their contentment with their own lives extends into thinking that ours are just as good and that we are ungrateful. They use these methods to attempt to guilt trip us into wanting to continue on.

 

[doneforlife]

Well if you spend enough time preparing it should get easier. Like the monks who light themselves on fire.

Also there's some neuroscience research that indicates that it might not be the case that we naturally have a fear of death. In other words fear of death is learned so it can be unlearned.

Of course the means to take ones life are difficult to get but once you have them there shouldn't be much of a reason to stick around if one is sufficiently committed.

I already have everything I need. That's what I'm trying to do right now. Getting in the right mindset. Unfortunately monks take a long time to get to a point where they self immolate so I don't expect to get there any time soon. Also there's no instructions on getting to such a mindset so this is basically all on us.

In my understanding the Buddhists have it right. If we don't spend time understanding ourselves and our place in the world (among other things) then doing anything is impossible.

Just look at all the people on here that have a fear of some kind. Whether it's terrestrial or spiritual or whatever it's clear that they're not willing to let go. Most people seem to depend on a sudden burst of emotion to take their life and even then if they fail they seriously regret it.

So many people on here look up to SN as some kind of magical pill to take one's life when there are other alternatives that would be similarly effective. Endlessly worried about some detail when just about all the instructions are on the megathreads. Although I'm not too sure if it's true that most people prefer SN on this website but it sure looks like it

Anyway I'm not saying that taking one's life is easy but it can get easier at least psychologically.

Psychologically, I have no problem. But , if self immolation is what one finally chooses , they surely might be having very high pain tolerance. My only issue is with physical pain and death not guaranteed. All the ways have chances of getting botched. So you don't need to have any kind of unlearning.

I feel like the level of difficulty depends on your location and financial situation. But also the hidden factor, determination. Truly if you are determined enough, many methods you wouldn't normally consider start to open up.
Personally, my own determination is lacking as I have always been a coward, cannot really tolerate stress very well and such a decision would output quite a bit.
But I am grateful for this place, spending time here makes it easier to come to terms with reality and the inevitable conclusion to my journey.

How does it depend on your location? No location has Nembutal.

 

[casual_existence]

Psychologically, I have no problem. But , if self immolation is what one finally chooses , they surely might be having very high pain tolerance. My only issue is with physical pain and death not guaranteed. All the ways have chances of getting botched. So you don't need to have any kind of unlearning.

How does it depend on your location? No location has Nembutal.

No you're not ready psychologically. Worry is only a stone's throw away from anxiety. Which is something that you can't have when going through with some action.

Also if I am to believe people on this forum, there should be some fairly accessible Nembutal in Peru. One member even wrote about their experience buying it.

 

[lostinmythoughts]

I don't understand the people who say things like why carry on if it's all meaningless, why are you still here, why don't you just ctb then if you hate it so much and in general act like suicide is as easy as just flicking a switch to turn off our existence. It's tiresome and irritating when people continue to act like suicide is easy even on a website which is literally full of posts of people struggling to find ways to reliably die, this forum shows exactly how difficult suicide really is, if it really is so straightforward to cease existing there would be nowhere near the amount of posts on here about methods.

But in my case I'm only still trapped here as suicide methods are either risky or inaccessible, the reality is that we exist in this society where suicide is purposely made so difficult for people in the first place. Sadly a peaceful and guaranteed death is a privledge only reserved for animals with humans having to struggle to find a way to cease existing themselves and what I'd also fear is trying to die somehow going wrong and leading to more suffering.

When people act like suicide really is so straightforward it just shows how ignorant they really are, as after all as humans we are all programmed to survive anyway.
I bet they wouldn't act all confused as to why people continue to exist even if they hate life if something happened to make them want to die and they wanted a way to exit.

You read my mind I was about to post about the same discussion! Obviously I agree with you..

 

[doneforlife]

No you're not ready psychologically. Worry is only a stone's throw away from anxiety. Which is something that you can't have when going through with some action.

Also if I am to believe people on this forum, there should be some fairly accessible Nembutal in Peru. One member even wrote about their experience buying it.

Could you please explain a bit more? Why do you say I am psychologically not ready ? I can guarantee you , if my pain receptors in brain got switched off magically, there is nothing else stopping me.

 

[casual_existence]

Could you please explain a bit more? Why do you say I am psychologically not ready ? I can guarantee you , if my pain receptors in brain got switched off magically, there is nothing else stopping me.

Well yes in an ideal world anything is possible. Thing is we're not in an ideal world. We have to work to get there. If there's worry of some kind when, say making a sandwich you're going to mess up. When it comes to suicide you have a couple choices. You can mess up or not mess up. Whichever one you end up doing is largely a reflection of your inner state.

Normally messing up is okay because there's no real problem. If you cut tomatoes too thin or don't put enough meat in a sandwich it's not a big deal assuming it's for you. If it's in a restaurant that ups the stakes but still fine. You mess up you make the sandwich again.

This is not the case for suicide. You mess up and you might not end up with serious consequences but you probably will. Yes that includes lots of pain. If you were ready to commit to suicide on its own well then simply cutting into an artery would be sufficient. It's fairly quick and immensely painful.

But no. You're worried. You're going to mess up. This is just one of the hurdles that you must get over. Or you can deaden your emotions with substances. Or prepare. Either way it's something that's holding you back.

Let's say however that you do deaden your pain receptors. I'm willing to bet that that's not the ONLY thing holding you back. Survival instincts cover a whole suite of demotivators. Family, pride, money, friends, fun, hope, etc.

Don't worry though. You don't need to be a monk to commit suicide. Things don't need to be perfect. You just need to get close enough.

There's a possibility that I might be overcomplicating things but I think just the existence of this forum helps my case.

 

[AliceTheGoon]

I don't think it's easy but I am so humbled by the fragile and desperate souls I've interacted with here who managed to do it that I'd be ashamed to complain. I just need to channel their gigantic balls and take care of business. That's on me, nobody else.

 

[doneforlife]

Well yes in an ideal world anything is possible. Thing is we're not in an ideal world. We have to work to get there. If there's worry of some kind when, say making a sandwich you're going to mess up. When it comes to suicide you have a couple choices. You can mess up or not mess up. Whichever one you end up doing is largely a reflection of your inner state.

Normally messing up is okay because there's no real problem. If you cut tomatoes too thin or don't put enough meat in a sandwich it's not a big deal assuming it's for you. If it's in a restaurant that ups the stakes but still fine. You mess up you make the sandwich again.

This is not the case for suicide. You mess up and you might not end up with serious consequences but you probably will. Yes that includes lots of pain. If you were ready to commit to suicide on its own well then simply cutting into an artery would be sufficient. It's fairly quick and immensely painful.

But no. You're worried. You're going to mess up. This is just one of the hurdles that you must get over. Or you can deaden your emotions with substances. Or prepare. Either way it's something that's holding you back.

Let's say however that you do deaden your pain receptors. I'm willing to bet that that's not the ONLY thing holding you back. Survival instincts cover a whole suite of demotivators. Family, pride, money, friends, fun, hope, etc.

Don't worry though. You don't need to be a monk to commit suicide. Things don't need to be perfect. You just need to get close enough.

There's a possibility that I might be overcomplicating things but I think just the existence of this forum helps my case.

I have no other emotions. The only emotion I can feel is fear . And even I am given 100% assurance that , it will not get messed up and death is guaranteed, I still will not be able to go through any painful method. Honestly, even if I have a cut while cutting vegetables, the first thought that I get is , how can I overcome the pain of the process of death ...lol.