Why do pro-lifers insist on keeping everyone alive?

[Fthis]

Why do pro lifers think that suicide is the worst possible thing that could happen to a person? Like someone will be tramatized at a mental hospital or have severe injuries from attempts and "I'm so glad your with us it would've been horrible if you died ". It's our life and we can do what we want with it, it's rather selfish to care about how the people around us will be sad more then us. It's like saying "don't leave your significant other even if their abusing you, it's selfish they'll miss you if your not happy in the relationship it's your fault." They have no logic and somehow we're the discusting selfish ones?

 

[Unlucked]

The thing about pro livers is that they can't conceive of such hellish imaginations of what life can be like. Its like people who live a coddled existence and can never fully empathize with true suffering, only some sort of cognitive empathy to a certain extent.

And even those that have suffered quite a bit, their problem was probably solved by sticking it out, for alot of us it won't end. It'll just keep going for the rest of our lives and no amount of patience or ideal thinking will stop the suffering. Especially if it's a congenital condition or something like that.

 

[bed]

Most people believe we are more important than any other species due to our ego so that plays a role. That's why it's legal to put down animals but illegal in almost every country to be euthanized, even though we can consent to it.

The other main factor is they don't want to deal with the feelings of losing someone since it affects them even if the person is in immense pain and has exhausted their options. They will guilt you into trying to stay without really caring about you, just the idea of you. Also, the notion that there is always hope and you will get better no matter what seems almost universal from people who want to keep you here at all costs. Not everyone gets better.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Maybe by keeping the miserable alive, it helps them see their lives as better than they really are.

 

[HappyForever?]

They are wired differently, and death is simply unthinkable to them. Even in the most dire of situations they don't see suicide as an option.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

Why do pro lifers think that suicide is the worst possible thing that could happen to a person? Like someone will be tramatized at a mental hospital or have severe injuries from attempts and "I'm so glad your with us it would've been horrible if you died ". It's our life and we can do what we want with it, it's rather selfish to care about how the people around us will be sad more then us. It's like saying "don't leave your significant other even if their abusing you, it's selfish they'll miss you if your not happy in the relationship it's your fault." They have no logic and somehow we're the discusting selfish ones?

i don't get it are pro-lifers in the same universe as i am ? Have they ever felt extreme pain? Why should i or anyone accept suffering for what reason ? I see life as meaningless and to me the pain /suffering possible in life is so bad that it makes any supposed "pleasures" meaningless.

imo Life can put any human at any time into a trap of pain , suffering constant unbearable unending pain. Just some examples are brain stroke ( can happen to any human at any second no warning) , car accident where half face falls off and remain alive ( the horror ), blocked colon with cancer, kidney stones, tapeworm infection, grief or heartbreak from family Death, or romantic break up etc.

Yeah to pro-lifers Death /suicide is the worst thing possible . Maybe someone should tell them that every human will die and life is short anyway.

imo most of the so-called pleasures are illusions anyway. Who hasn't been depressed and then at that time the things you used to think you "enjoyed" are no longer enjoyable. Then used to enjoy something but now got over it? So these and other things like brain research to me show me that these pleasures/addictions are illusions. However imo extreme pain / suffering is real.

Even if i had a so called "good life" i don't see a purpose for life. To me life is meaningless. To me Death / non-existence is the best for me because all my problems will be solved and then after Death / non-existence i can never suffer nor feel pain again and that's what i want to not feel pain , i can't stand pain especially the extreme kind

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[Fthis]

i don't get it are pro-lifers in the same universe as i am . Have they ever felt extreme pain? Why should i or anyone accept suffering for what reason ? I see life as meaningless and to me the pain /suffering possible in life is so bad that it makes any supposed "pleasures" meaningless.

imo Life can put any human at any time into a trap of pain , suffering constant unbearable unending pain. Just some examples are brain stroke ( can happen to any human at any second no warning) , car accident where half face falls off and remain alive ( the horror), blocked colon with cancer, kidney stones, tapeworm infection, grief or heartbreak from family Death, or romantic break up etc.

Yeah to pro-lifers Death /suicide is the worst thing possible . Maybe someone should tell them that every human will die and life is short anyway.

imo most of the so-called pleasures are illusions anyway. Who hasn't been depressed and then at that time the things you used to think you "enjoyed" are no longer enjoyable. Then used to enjoy something but now got over it? so these an other things like brain research to me show me that these pleasures/addictions are illusions. However imo extreme pain / suffering is real.

Even if i had a so called "good life" i don't see a purpose for life. To me life is meaningless. To me Death / non-existence is the best because all my problems will be solved and then after Death / non-existence i can never suffer nor feel pain again and that's what i want to not feel pain , i can't stand pain especially the extreme kind

Yes agreed! All the things that make me happy are only temporary distractions to keep my mind off how meaningless and miserable it is here. I'll die eventually so why not die on my terms when I want to and not prolong my suffering

 

[Euthanza]

Crab-mentality-preventor is like broken calculator that always misses the simplest 4 basic of arithmetic operations

 

[Julgran]

Why do pro lifers think that suicide is the worst possible thing that could happen to a person? Like someone will be tramatized at a mental hospital or have severe injuries from attempts and "I'm so glad your with us it would've been horrible if you died ". It's our life and we can do what we want with it, it's rather selfish to care about how the people around us will be sad more then us. It's like saying "don't leave your significant other even if their abusing you, it's selfish they'll miss you if your not happy in the relationship it's your fault." They have no logic and somehow we're the discusting selfish ones?

They could be trying to prevent suicides for selfish reasons - like seeing us as mere tax cattle.

Imagine this scenario:

1. 10 people are living on a small island
2. 2 of the people decide that they are better than everyone else, and threaten the other ones into submission to work for them
3. The other 8 persons don't think that they have any choice in the matter, so they start to work for the 2 people
4. The work of the 8 people continues unabated for 100 years
5. After 100 years, those 8 people how now increased to 20 people through reproduction
6. The 20 people who are alive after those 100 years don't know why they keep on working for those 2 people, but since they don't know anything else, they keep on working
7. One day, 3 of those 100 people decide that enough is enough, and decide that their lives have no meaning, so they end their lives
8. Now, 97 of the remaining people will need to work more in order to cover what the 3 people, who ended their lives, did
9. Within a few years, an additional 80 people end their lives, which makes the rule of the 2 people unsustainable, which means that those 2 people may not be able to live in luxury any more
10. The 2 people decide to ban suicide in order to not have to work themselves

The moral of the story is that our lovely politicians and similar can't have their Starbucks, fly in airplanes or have fancy restaurant dinners if there are no slaves who are willing to work for them.

 

[QuietEnd]

I've been thinking about this recently and I also think there's a common theme underlying this question of why do pro-lifers insist on keeping everyone alive, and other questions such as abortion, bullying etc.

The common theme is: Why does anyone insist on X on everyone else?

I think there's a societal norm that a majority of people believe that everyone should think the same, and it should be like them. One which forces decisions on others, without respect to other people's views, experiences or choices.

Humans as a species are social, and as part of being social they want commonality and continuation of life. Until as a species we can accept different people make different choices, and people have the freedom to make choices and consent to their own bodies and minds then sadly we'll never be free of pro-lifers, bullies etc. Sadly we are a species with respect and consent very tightly constrained.

 

[not-2-b-the-answer]

I don't think many get through life unscathed. However, some don't recover from the things life has put them through.
Some, like myself don't want to and see this for what it is. Happiness is an illusion, that can be taken away in the blink of an eye.
Some have made poor choices in life and can't get out. Some NEVER had the opportunities others have.
Why should I continue to work shit jobs til I die. Death will be my retirement. I won't ever be able to save enough money to retire.
Just my thoughts, probably said them many times before.

 

[LastFlowers]

Maybe by keeping the miserable alive, it helps them see their lives as better than they really are.

People feel better when they're sitting atop a sea of corpses..and those corpses are still alive.

Superiority is perhaps the greatest wish of mankind.
Can't feel superior with nobody beneath you..

Yes agreed! All the things that make me happy are only temporary distractions to keep my mind off how meaningless and miserable it is here. I'll die eventually so why not die on my terms when I want to and not prolong my suffering

I wish my distractions made me happy..I feel like they barely have an effect at all.
But it's all I've got in grasping for temporary relief.

I've been thinking about this recently and I also think there's a common theme underlying this question of why do pro-lifers insist on keeping everyone alive, and other questions such as abortion, bullying etc.

The common theme is: Why does anyone insist on X on everyone else?

I think there's a societal norm that a majority of people believe that everyone should think the same, and it should be like them. One which forces decisions on others, without respect to other people's views, experiences or choices.

Humans as a species are social, and as part of being social they want commonality and continuation of life. Until as a species we can accept different people make different choices, and people have the freedom to make choices and consent to their own bodies and minds then sadly we'll never be free of pro-lifers, bullies etc. Sadly we are a species with respect and consent very tightly constrained.

The problem comes along when the allowance for certain choices and views ends up significantly harming someone else.

(But even that statement could probably be interpreted in a myriad of ways, by different people.)

 

[befree]

...Because they don´t know what pain and suffering means.

 

[markimobzzdeasui]

1. Some are genuinely caring but don't know or want to know that life can be extreme suffering to the point of no recovery, for many individuals.
2. Some are absolute ignorant,narcissistic,toxic and a holes.
3. Many don't want to know the truth because it will shatter their delusions and illusions about life,religions and even humanity.
4.It is not about them and they never have been in the same position as suicidal people for long enough.

Pro lifers will do anything and everything to prevent suicide,in the name of saving a life,even if they essentially traumatise and mentally torture that life itself. But again, we are the 'selfish' ones so we can't really complain.

 

[Blondi]

They are demons that like people suffer .

 

[lights_are_on]

Complex question. It's a learned behaviour. Thats all, I think. Reasons are many for it to arise in the first place. Religion, sacredness of life, fear of death, etc. Humans are mostly stupid and cruel, it just manifests in different ways. And I just want to be off this planet, this being one of the factors

Once I saw those fools bully a terminally ill patient for refusing treatment: weak, idiot, loser, such things. If they think they'll fight death and come out victorious I have news for them…

 

[potablewater784]

They're ignorant of how bad life can be and they feel the need to impose their romantized idea of life onto other people

 

[Ligottian]

Suicide is a nasty little reminder of how bad things COULD possibly get for them. Hence all the blather about how suicide is cowardly, or possible only in madness, a one way ticket to eternal damnation, etc. If they accept a right to die, they are admitting just how hellish life can get. And they just can't do that. At least I think that's part of it.

 

[Silent Forrest]

A lot of of the religious pro-lifers think that "live is a gift from god and to be thankful for what you have and have not" and that 'suicide is a sin"; non-religious pro-lifers on the other hand, quite often are social creatures, that feel more alone and neither want to suffer alone, when another person tries or mentions about ending their lives.

 

[FuneralCry]

By accepting suicide as an option, it would shatter the delusion that the pro lifers have that life is always worth living. Pro lifers see suicide as something that is always irrational and must be prevented, because coming to terms with the fact that wanting suicide is perfectly rational in a world like this, would mean that they would have to accept the fact that life could very likely get that bad for them, I agree with what has been said above.
In this life there is unlimited potential for suffering with no limit as to how much pain we can feel. Pro lifers are denying the reality of this existence and if everyone accepted life for what it is, then maybe suicide would be accepted and our right to die respected.


I also think that it is a lack of understanding of what suicidal people go through, and non suicidal people would selfishly not want their family members to take their lives so they see suicide as always being wrong for everyone.


There is also the fact that the society needs workers and they must keep people alive for that purpose. If suicide was easily accessible and a peaceful exit was available for us all then many people would likely choose that over a lifetime of struggle. If suicide was accepted as a solution to suffering then maybe people would begin to see how pointless life really is. Many people are deluded that their life has some importance and significance and maybe the acceptance of suicide would make them realise how meaningless everything is, if people could die so easily, all humans do is exist for the sake of existing.

 

[Symbiote]

Pro-lifers literally don't care about your situation as long as they can convince you to live, give a baby a chance, and smite evil at the same time, only to pat themselves on the back and let their God know what a good person they are. For each life they save or convert to Jesus, they get a hole in their "Get Into Heaven Free" card. I have yet to meet a pro-lifer that actually gave one minute of their attention before they start talking about how God is great and heals all.

 

[hellispink]

They lack empathy and also vision. They only think about themselves and the lies they create to themselves in order to survive. They are okay with constantly lying to themselves and also following the masses. They are okay with a system that has failed and also okay with being slave. For them life should be lived regardless of the pain. I am sure though that they wouldn't handle one day being in the shoes(life) of a person that wants to be gone.

 

[Fentanull]

I think they're genuinely kind people who just can't fathom, or choose to deny, that life can be an irreparably denigrating experience for certain people. Just made a post myself about how I was narcanned AGAIN today by the EMS some rando decided to call on me because I was ODing. I pretended it was an accident, but you don't "accidentally" succumb to a near fatal overdose of fentanyl 5 times in a row within 2 weeks. It really sucks because they go on with their day, patting their selves on the back about how they just saved someone from a terrible fate- and here I am, penniless and dopesick and, again, miserably alert and tethered to this shitty experience I was a cunt hair away from being rid of. Not to mention, these same people will watch me walk across town on a 4 lane highway with no sidewalk on a day with weather marked by a hellishly grueling 100+ degrees coupled with 100% humidity and literally NO ONE has offered me a ride yet. Not that they OWE me a ride or anything- but damn, if they can mind their own business THEN- why can't they mind their own business when I'm passed out on the side of said road? They don't stop and try to do do CPR on any of the millions of small animals mangled on the side of the road, and I guarantee everyone of those little critters would have done anything within their power to survive whereas my dumbass is literally spending every dollar I can scrounge up, every-single-day, just TRYING to finally OD and escape this damned nightmare...

 

[nixdeath]

Savior complex

 

[Mr2005]

There'll be a lot of made up answers to this question.

 

[Someone123]

The most active pro-lifers are usually parents of a college age child who was going through a temporary crisis, often just having too much to do between scholl and their activities, plus maybe another stressor that puts them over the top like a breakup or some other tension, and they want to prevent other parents from experiencing the same thing. They don't typically have a bad motivation at all, but they often don't understand the fact that for some people too many things have gone wrong for too long, and it is not really a fixable situation any more, and finding peace through ctb ends up being their best option. How to resolve this is not clear, but by having an active recovery section here it helps, it's good if we can provide some comfort for those who need to find peace while helping others to recover.

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

They believe that suicidal thoughts won't last forever and that it's just a phase. It's a permanent solution to a temporary problem. They want to save us from ourselves.

 

[Fthis]

They believe that suicidal thoughts won't last forever and that it's just a phase. It's a permanent solution to a temporary problem. They want to save us from ourselves.

If a solution is temporary it's a bad solution shouldn't you want a permanent one

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

If a solution is temporary it's a bad solution shouldn't you want a permanent one

I have no solutions

 

[obafgkm]

They could be trying to prevent suicides for selfish reasons - like seeing us as mere tax cattle.

Imagine this scenario:

1. 10 people are living on a small island
2. 2 of the people decide that they are better than everyone else, and threaten the other ones into submission to work for them
3. The other 8 persons don't think that they have any choice in the matter, so they start to work for the 2 people
4. The work of the 8 people continues unabated for 100 years
5. After 100 years, those 8 people how now increased to 20 people through reproduction
6. The 20 people who are alive after those 100 years don't know why they keep on working for those 2 people, but since they don't know anything else, they keep on working
7. One day, 3 of those 100 people decide that enough is enough, and decide that their lives have no meaning, so they end their lives
8. Now, 97 of the remaining people will need to work more in order to cover what the 3 people, who ended their lives, did
9. Within a few years, an additional 80 people end their lives, which makes the rule of the 2 people unsustainable, which means that those 2 people may not be able to live in luxury any more
10. The 2 people decide to ban suicide in order to not have to work themselves

The moral of the story is that our lovely politicians and similar can't have their Starbucks, fly in airplanes or have fancy restaurant dinners if there are no slaves who are willing to work for them.

Actually they don't need that many people to run Starbucks and fly airplanes. Many people literally have nothing to do. Of those who do have a jobs, many are doing meaningless things just to keep themselves "in the loop". To not let idle people turn into violence, they have created social media and captcha to keep them occupied all day.