Venting Why do people (who are rational) still pro-life, pro-suffering?

[TAW122]

Just a little background here. I'm an atheist myself and I only ever go to church just to put a front and show that I at least have a normal life (to avoid suspicion and not set off red flags). Since I attend church fairly regularly, I often hear a lot of pro-Biblical shit, pro-life garbage, and rainbows & roses shit.

Anyways, for the fuck's sake, I can't seem to understand why do some of the religious people who do know what suffering is, yet are still blinded by irrationality and ignorance of the fact that dying is better than suffering?

For example, a church member has a family member who is terminally ill, yet they say just pray away and stuff (as if praying will likely bring improvement or stuff, when it often doesn't but just empty words and actions), and always have this stupid pro-life, pro-suffering thing. Furthermore, when the person has suffered enough and died of natural causes, they say he/she is in a better place. Fuck's sake, euthanasia should have been legal to save all the bullshit medical costs, and unnecessary pain and suffering.

I mean it's one thing if the person decides to tough it out, but it really sickens me how people who clearly know that death is better than suffering, yet decides that suffering is a good thing.

 

[skitliv]

Life is a cult, its irrational and ridiculous

 

[NemoZeno]

I agree with you but kind of devil's advocate here: rational people who have a hard on for suffering and are pro-life are as "guilty" as us.

Emotions are terrible things IMO. This is leading into antinatalism territory (of which I mostly identify with) but the philosopher Schopenhauer says it best:
"If children were brought into the world by an act of pure reason alone, would the human race continue to exist? Would not a man rather have so much sympathy with the coming generation as to spare it the burden of existence, or at any rate not take it upon himself to impose that burden upon it in cold blood?"
Would anything we believe hold steady if it was come upon by pure reason alone? No, of course not.
Thus, you have people who, although rational are ultimately convinced mostly out of emotion, that it is worth it to suffer.
Some things you can't argue no matter how rational the person is.


I grew up in the (Christian; non-denominational) church so I can kind of speak for these people. The bible is unashamed in endorsing suffering: they straight up tell the repentant believer that you WILL suffer for your faith (I'd provide the specific verses but lazy; it's not like what I'm saying is controversial in the faith anyway).
That suffering:

• is not permanent
• is the greatest act of love and service to God which trickles down to love for others
• the greatest commandment is to love
• therefore the greatest thing you can do is suffer but still praise God and live life to the best of your ability.

Just like there is no negotiation with Muslims about depicting the prophet Muhammad (ie if you do that, you die or you are heavily rebuked/criticized), there is no other interpretation for the Christian.
It is unquestionable to them to suffer (for the glory of God).

It is frustrating to deal with that yet I hold a small admiration for those who can commit to this (as long as they don't push that to others).

 

[TAW122]

Good explanation Nemo, this explanation actually makes more sense the way you explained it.

It is frustrating to deal with that yet I hold a small admiration for those who can commit to this (as long as they don't push that to others).

I fully agree with you and the worst people are those who push that lifestyle or view to others against others' will.

 

[Circles]

In short, because that's all they've ever known as we've all been indoctrinated into a system that festers with life affirming ideologies. It literally goes against all the biological evolution that made us possible to be here. Rationality goes out the window when confronted with biological processes that have been going on for billions of years.

 

[Mr2005]

Life is a cult, its irrational and ridiculous

This place is a cult haven't you noticed? It follows the same patterns. Turn "pro life" into " fake news " and you've got yourself a trump rally

 

[Schopenhauer]

This place is a cult haven't you noticed? It follows the same patterns. Turn "pro life" into " fake news " and you've got yourself a trump rally

This place demands nothing from us. You're making such a specious argument, I shouldn't even deign to point this out.

 

[Mr2005]

Fair point. There's no evil dictator but there is plenty of hatred

 

[Rollo]

but the philosopher Schopenhauer says it best:

Yet Schopenhauer didn't "like" this post so go figure.

 

[worldexploder]

I don't think these people are rational at all. They are apart of the insane hiveminded majority.