Discussion Why do people suicide article

[MeltingHeart]

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-do-people-kill-themselves/ I like the first half of this article but not the second half

This bit is of particular interest to me "In the vast majority of cases, people kill themselves because of other people,"

& I know ALOT of people will strongly disagree and I understand to an extent all the arguements against blame (although they are often people that have not experienced mistreatment) and also moving on & taking responsibilty for ones self and ones actions later in life - believe me i do,

but at the end of the day our interactions and communication/ connections (or lack thereof) with other people is at the very core and essence of what makes us human, so many of these relationships (general use of word-not romantic) inform and shape how we view the world-and others -and almost certainly how we feel about ourselves-from our sense of belonging, having a 'place' in the world and a self-esteem, sadly no matter how strong we try and make our 'inner ' selves- through any number of means- education, exercise , meditation, coaching, personal development etc etc. I believe that if u are naturally not the strongest of soul and perhaps - your early years did not allow you the chance to have the foundation - you can very easily be broken down by the negative influence of other people-as you did not have the insight to see what was happening at the time or the strenght to avoid those destructive influences. I wonder if my virtually 'cryptic' thoughts can even be vaguely understood? At the end of the day - I guess i can say - I attribute my pain to the treatment from others- there i said it - for the first time in my life- is it how i reacted and responded to that treatment partly my 'fault' -how i view it /how i let it effected me? yes probably - could I have turned it around and used my experience to help others etc etc? yes maybe, but i know i really tried my best to fight against it -but it effected deeply internally nonetheless. to such an extent that i feel unable to turn it into any kind of positive/ value of learining and hardship type thing. I wanted to .....i really did..i really really did...

 

[SinisterKid]

"Social problems—especially a hypervigilant concern with what others think or will think of us if only they knew what we perceive to be some unpalatable truth—stoke a deadly fire."

Assumption is the worst culprit in my opinion when it comes down to environmental factors. Genetics I cannot debate as I know little about it, but human nature is another beast. And that quote there appears to my understanding, to support that. We worry far too much about how others will see us if we admit to being suicidal or depressed, without actually KNOWING anything of the sort.

Interesting article, but as with all psychology/psychiatry articles, its very debatable in its nature as the studies are always so small.

 

[MeltingHeart]

"Social problems—especially a hypervigilant concern with what others think or will think of us if only they knew what we perceive to be some unpalatable truth—stoke a deadly fire."

Assumption is the worst culprit in my opinion when it comes down to environmental factors. Genetics I cannot debate as I know little about it, but human nature is another beast. And that quote there appears to my understanding, to support that. We worry far too much about how others will see us if we admit to being suicidal or depressed, without actually KNOWING anything of the sort.

Interesting article, but as with all psychology/psychiatry articles, its very debatable in its nature as the studies are always so small.

yeah of course so true- though i do appreciate this quote - "the specific issues leading any given person to become suicidal are as different, of course, as their DNA—involving chains of events that one expert calls 'dizzying in their variety.'

 

[SinisterKid]

Yeah, I was "cherry picking" a line that stood out to me because it appears to support my own view/opinion, which of course is very easy to do. To think that 43% of suicides could be due to genetics is freakin scary. That would mean that your fate could be sealed before you even leave the womb. That would support a lot of views of wishing I had never been born.

 

[MeltingHeart]

Yeah, I was "cherry picking" a line that stood out to me because it appears to support my own view/opinion, which of course is very easy to do. To think that 43% of suicides could be due to genetics is freakin scary. That would mean that your fate could be sealed before you even leave the womb. That would support a lot of views of wishing I had never been born.

do you feel you had a genetic type disposition towards to depression or such like ? I dont feel like i did but rather it is all that has happened to me. I suppose neither is harder or more painful - just different. This is prob an awful thing to say ( and feel free to say so if it is) but a tiny part of me wishes i had the genetic disposition-cos then it might be marginally (i mean like a tiny bit) to over come SI & do it) am i naive/ awful for thinking / saying that- i probably am.

 

[SinisterKid]

Well being as I am the 3rd member of my immediate family to have attempted, the signs are that our genetics do appear to push us in that direction. I dont know much about the subject to be honest and I am not one to delve too deeply into my own psyche as I dont often like what I find. So not really the right person to ask about such matters. I just found that very interesting given my own family's history.

 

[MeltingHeart]

Well being as I am the 3rd member of my immediate family to have attempted, the signs are that our genetics do appear to push us in that direction. I dont know much about the subject to be honest and I am not one to delve too deeply into my own psyche as I dont often like what I find. So not really the right person to ask about such matters. I just found that very interesting given my own family's history.

Yes i have heard it can run in familys- i wonder- if having that knowledge can be good in the sense that it adds that awareness of how you feel and more time to reach out professionally -if u know u may be susceptible ? (not with standing that many mistrust so called professionals ) or maybe one of the circumstances when short term mild meds (along with talking therapies-crucially) could help.

 

[Soul]

Yes i have heard it can run in familys- i wonder- if having that knowledge can be good in the sense that it adds that awareness of how you feel and more time to reach out professionally -if u know u may be susceptible ? (not withstanding that many mistrust so called professionals ) or maybe one of the circumstances when short term mild meds (along with talking therapies-crucially) could help.

That would be true for people who don't want to commit suicide, see it as a bad choice, etc. Of course there are people like that here, and I wish them wonderful outcomes whatever their choices may be going forward - but there are also those of us who feel bound to commit suicide (for genetic and/or other reasons) and are quite comfortable with it.

 

[MeltingHeart]

That would be true for people who don't want to commit suicide, see it as a bad choice, etc. Of course there are people like that here, and I wish them wonderful outcomes whatever their choices may be going forward - but there are also those of us who feel bound to commit suicide (for genetic and/or other reasons) and are quite comfortable with it.

Wow- I find it hard to comprehend - feeling comfortable with it- but none of us can truly understand each other's very unique feelings - there are so many variables and a plethora of feelings/ reasons attached to our will to die. It's like a snowflake (I mean actual snowflake- not modern use of the word) each one is truly it's one thing. There mayb be some situations that are a little similar but each individuals case can never be the same as any other .