Venting Why do people not seem to care when someone is suicidal?

[Suicidebydeath]

As topic.

 

[swanlife]

They care but don't know how to react or push it away because it's a horrible topic.

 

[Suicidebydeath]

They care but don't know how to react or push it away because it's a horrible topic.

They don't care, that's why I'm asking, or well venting tbh, since I need to vent somewhere.

Maybe I need to write it out better. I'm not talking about friends or acquaintances. I mean social workers and things like that. My family doesn't care either.

 

[jodes2]

I don't know how much they care, but many people will feel compelled to try and help if they can. At the least, I think many people are grateful it's not them. I think people on the whole mean well. But don't forget, people have their own issues too, which might take priority often

 

[eldiablo666]

They don't care, that's why I'm asking, or well venting tbh, since I need to vent somewhere.

Maybe I need to write it out better. I'm not talking about friends or acquaintances. I mean social workers and things like that. My family doesn't care either.

You know the answer, why do you ask us ?
No offense.

 

[𖣴 nadia 𖣴]

I think social workers tend to develop compassion fatigue over time so they become desensitised, detached and numb.

 

[Angst Filled Fuck Up]

I think sometimes it's a boy who cried wolf type thing. People on the whole aren't inclined to fully believe someone who claims they're suicidal, especially if they do so ongoingly, at least in my experience.

It may also be that it's too difficult/awkward a subject to discuss openly. Or else the seemingly uncaring person has had these thoughts and feelings themselves and quietly relates but doesn't want to "go there."

 

[Teddybear]

They care in the sense of: "Don't you do it!"

But they seldomly - if ever- care in the sense of: "What drove you to it?"

In reallity most just want you to straighten out and fly right, so they can get on with their own lifes.

 

[quietwarloc]

I assume you're a member on this site because you feel a certain type of way about yourself? Science and research shows we're in the minority with that, most people don't want to kill themselves. (Although numbers are rising.) Now, I dont know about you, but it's very hard for me to love when i don't even love myself. It's like a fog smothering everything around me only letting me see certain things in front of me and not very clearly at that. Sometimes I can make out those things clearly, sometimes i can't. I don't know about you stranger but for me, when you combine the majority of people not understanding how my brain works and what I'm thinking and why, coupled with my limited capacity to love myself etc, you get a cocktail of me displacing my lack of care for myself onto other people and they have no idea what to do with that. I don't know you or your situation but i hope that helps in some way.

 

[narcluciddreams]

Since it directly colides with their fragile, ignoramous worldview that starts to crumble when you question their meaning of life, injustice of the system and how basically everyone wants to put their hands on our money, life. They want to enslave, brainwash and rob us of dignity.

 

[BipolarExpress]

With few exceptions, they care about your being alive at all costs more than they do the reasons you're considering suicide in the first place.

 

[eldiablo666]

Since it directly colides with their fragile, ignoramous worldview that starts to crumble when you question their meaning of life, injustice of the system and how basically everyone wants to put their hands on our money, life. They want to enslave, brainwash and rob us of dignity.

Exactly this. Keep the poor poor and the rich rich.

 

[brokensea]

Because death is frightening for people. It makes them uncomfortable. It goes against our evolution of SI. So they have to dismiss it, ignore it, faun brief concern before running away.

We live in a world of distractions from death. Everything we do, our entertainment, our lives, social media, products, sex, work, it's all to escape and distract from death. People don't want to think about it or talk about it.

Bring up death to anyone and most all will become very uncomfortable and not want to be around you. They build crazy religions so they don't have to think or worry about death.

We get nice prepackaged meat so we don't have to see the body of the animal who died. That our lives are meaningless and built on survival and death, constant death is everywhere and we consume it to survive.

It's so horrible I think they don't want to spend a moment looking under the lid because there is an abyss inside that will consume you.

 

[BipolarExpress]

Because death is frightening for people. It makes them uncomfortable. It goes against our evolution of SI. So they have to dismiss it, ignore it, faun brief concern before running away.

We live in a world of distractions from death. Everything we do, our entertainment, our lives, social media, products, sex, work, it's all to escape and distract from death. People don't want to think about it or talk about it.

Bring up death to anyone and most all will become very uncomfortable and not want to be around you. They build crazy religions so they don't have to think or worry about death.

We get nice prepackaged meat so we don't have to see the body of the animal who died. That our lives are meaningless and built on survival and death, constant death is everywhere and we consume it to survive.

It's so horrible I think they don't want to spend a moment looking under the lid because there is an abyss inside that will consume you.

I think we're the only animals who are conscious of our mortality in this way. Dogs, cats, ants, and goldfish simply live and keep themselves alive without contemplating the idea that their lives will end. Humans, on the other hand, are both acutely aware and afraid of our deaths, so we do everything we can to avoid the inevitable. We consume dead animal and plant matter to survive, just as other animals do. The "circle of life" is brutal and disturbing, once you think of it. If God existed, surely he'd have come up with a better solution.

 

[eldiablo666]

I think we're the only animals who are conscious of our mortality in this way. Dogs, cats, ants, and goldfish simply live and keep themselves alive without contemplating the idea that their lives will end. Humans, on the other hand, are both acutely aware and afraid of our deaths, so we do everything we can to avoid the inevitable. We consume dead animal and plant matter to survive, just as other animals do. The "circle of life" is brutal and disturbing, once you think of it. If God existed, surely he'd have come up with a better solution.

Humans are the only animal that knows that it's going to die.

Yeah, I'm starting to believe our God is evil.

 

[ShanaRei]

I think people do care, but religion and pro life stances makes people ignorant. For instance, growing up I was told if unalived I would go to hell. That I would offend God. Most of my family still believes that even if you unalive, even in the worst possible circumstances, you will offend God and be sent to hell and never see family on the other side again. It's taken me years to overcome those beliefs and to realize that it's BS and that God is an abusive prick made up by abusive people to keep us under control.
We need less religion and ignorance and more compassion around suicide and the suffering that leads to it.

 

[brokensea]

I think we're the only animals who are conscious of our mortality in this way. Dogs, cats, ants, and goldfish simply live and keep themselves alive without contemplating the idea that their lives will end. Humans, on the other hand, are both acutely aware and afraid of our deaths, so we do everything we can to avoid the inevitable. We consume dead animal and plant matter to survive, just as other animals do. The "circle of life" is brutal and disturbing, once you think of it. If God existed, surely he'd have come up with a better solution.

Animals kill to avoid hunger and fight to avoid pain. Animals like elephants, wolves, etc mourn when one of their kind dies. This behavior has been seen in crows and many other animals so I think they have some construct of loss and death. Whatever that understanding looks like for them it's hard to know.

We humans have the mechanism and the mind to use this survival brain for cruel means and turn against our own in much more complex ways.

We are a tribal species we aren't supposed to be sitting alone in our boxes we live in. Not knowing our neighbors. Disconnected and feeling loss and loneliness like this. Abuse and cruelty. It is against our very nature and the only comforts we have in this sick world is to be with others and we don't even have that and people hurt you and betray you so you learn to dislike your own species and are essentially ostracized from your tribe. Then just try to survive on your own and our western culture is all about independence, not needing anyone. Seeking your own self pleasure, your own interests above others. So self loved in some island that you're fine alone but it's not even normal. The way we live is not normal. We look down on dependency when we need other people to survive. But we have become less than animals who have all turned on each other and love is the only thing that can make life bearable and we do not even have that. Sometimes we do not have that our whole lives so is it any wonder so many of us just want to die and get it over with.

 

[Teddybear]

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We get nice prepackaged meat so we don't have to see the body of the animal who died. That our lives are meaningless and built on survival and death, constant death is everywhere and we consume it to survive.

It's so horrible I think they don't want to spend a moment looking under the lid because there is an abyss inside that will consume you.

In case you didn't notice: Meat has rapidly fallen out of favour with the politically correct. But that didn't make society any more bearable for me, if anything it has done the opposite.

Just yesterday I went to the groccery store and found it packed with mask addicts. People so afraid of germs (and death) now, that they won't leave house anymore w/o a full face gear.

And one young lady was also wearing medical gloves on top of that! Bubbleboy mania as our new way of life.

 

[makethepainstop]

As topic.

The speaking of suicide, makes the normals very uneasy. Almost as if they think that right after talking about it, you will immediately go suicide! What they don't see is the relief, in just talking about it, that we feel. We are NOT allowed to speak publicly about the subject! Das est VERBOTEN! So we come here for some relief, that we just cannot get any where else. (Without getting FORCEABLY committed to a jail or mental hospital. So here we are!

 

[Doom]

it's the opposite, people pretend to care, but they dont.
They will help you for many reasons, but it is always mostly self interest. They can help you because of religion (because they think they will receive some divine blessing), because of self-fulfillment (many do good purely to brag about having superior moral values), because of fame, money or if you are pretty or a female then they will help you because they are interested in your body. But it's never for the sake of your happiness.

 

[brokensea]

In case you didn't notice: Meat has rapidly fallen out of favour with the politically correct. But that didn't make society any more bearable for me, if anything it has done the opposite.

Just yesterday I went to the groccery store and found it packed with mask addicts. People so afraid of germs (and death) now, that they won't leave house anymore w/o a full face gear.

And one young lady was also wearing medical gloves on top of that! Bubbleboy mania as our new way of life.

Yes I'm not referring to just meat even plants. On a daily basis we have to consume things to live. Kill things to live every single day. It's really an entirely strange concept at all. The world is quite brutal of a reality.

 

[FuneralCry]

I believe that a lot of people are very self centred and only care about what directly affects themselves anyway. They cannot understand how others experience life and the suffering of the other person doesn't impact them in any way, instead they are just focused on their own life and what affects themselves.
Many people would rather avoid the subject of suicide as they are not suicidal themselves and the thought of someone voluntarily preferring death over life represents what they fear and shatters their worldview, so they would prefer to stay away and this can give off the impression of not caring. The reality is that the world we live in stigmatises suicide to such a great extent, and pushes the idea that all suicidal thoughts are 'irrational', and this can help form the beliefs of many non suicidal people who have no understanding as to what it's actually like to wish to die.

 

[Teddybear]

Yes I'm not referring to just meat even plants. On a daily basis we have to consume things to live. Kill things to live every single day. It's really an entirely strange concept at all. The world is quite brutal of a reality.

Nature is brutallity 24/7/365 and yet the mainsteam managed to firmly install this Walt Disney illusion of Bambi happilly frolicking through the woods in our heads.

Deer kill trees, wolves kill deers and worms kill all three of them. The moment you are born wild and free in nature, someone else wants to eat you up alive.

Yet Vegans keep preaching its a sin to kill for food. So my dog is a sinner and the wolf just pure evil?

 

[blackwidow]

they usually don't know. 9 times out of ten they have no idea a person is suicidal. In my line of work I deal with people. who have committed suicide.. I've yet to meet a relative or friend that even had an Incling the person was suicidal.

 

[brokensea]

Nature is brutallity 24/7/365 and yet the mainsteam managed to firmly install this Walt Disney illusion of Bambi happilly frolicking through the woods in our heads.

Deer kill trees, wolves kill deers and worms kill all three of them. The moment you are born wild and free in nature, someone else wants to eat you up alive.

Yet Vegans keep preaching its a sin to kill for food. So my dog is a sinner and the wolf just pure evil?

Yes, even when life was born we were all micro organisms trying to destroy one another for our own place. Some complex molecules discovered it could take resources from another and so life began. It is the same in war. All fighting for resources. I think existence is just a brutal competition for resources. To fulfill never satisfied needs. Even after several hours you feel hunger. These needs never go away. They're constant and consuming. I think so many people desire power by dehumanizing others, inflicting cruelty on them to achieve a superiority over their base needs. We are little better than we were when we crawled out of the seas.

It seems silly to judge what one murders and consumes when we all live in it every day. If we don't kill other things we die. We have limited resources. Limited space. Death is part of that process. All to make space. And truly what is even the point of it all and what is the end goal? It's complete chaos. Not even a second is the same from one to the next and we don't even know why we are doing any of it.

 

[WorthlessTrash]

They care, but only if they can help you easily.

If they cant, they'd rather see you locked up so you are not their problem.

 

[cassxtho]

People only care when you're close enough with them. It's very hard to forge friendships that strong though. There's also a lot of stigmas around suicidal people, so many people probably make unfair assumptions about us as people.

 

[sadanon3]

because it's way too heavy and bleak. normal people are not trying to think about this shit or be anywhere near this wave. Normie response is completely understandable imo.

 

[Ineedtodie]

If you are an adult you are expected to take care of yourself and be responsible for yourself. Doesn't matter your circumstances, your background, mental issues..etc.you're not special and this include suicidal tendencies, depression, anxiety or whatever seemingly debilitating you. In fact it makes you even less susceptible to help or consideration.

 

[HermitLonerGuy]

the world is already a shit show selfish tribal place as it is, theyre all suffering, deldued and have their own wants and needs. We wont matter to them in the slightest. Every human only sees from a self camera lens.