Why do non-suicidal normies judge the suicidal so harshly?

[Weebster]

Their judgments seem to be mixed with anger even when they're young and immature and judging through joking.

 

[DontplayGod]

They don't understand, if they can't understand why a person wants to end their life they really are ignorant and unaware of life around them.

 

[Sea Turtle]

People demonize what they don't understand, especially when it infringes on their belief of the sanctity of life. How dare we think differently then them. But at the same time, I suppose I don't understand how people can not be suicidal

 

[hopelessgirl]

I don't understand them....

 

[Weebster]

They don't understand, if they can't understand why a person wants to end their life they really are ignorant and unaware of life around them.

Hopefully they will one day

People demonize what they don't understand, especially when it infringes on their belief of the sanctity of life. How dare we think differently then them. But at the same time, I suppose I don't understand how people can not be suicidal

I was abused as a child and obviously became suicidal as a result. I have a family member in my adoptive family who downplays what happened and who then gets mad at me when I tell him he doesn't know what he's talking about.

 

[Lost Magic]

If they had to live with severe mental illness, financial worries, major family deaths, physical accidents they might want to retract on their previous judgements towards 'suicidal' people.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Hopefully they will one day

I was abused as a child and obviously became suicidal as a result. I have a family member in my adoptive family who downplays what happened and who then gets mad at me when I tell him he doesn't know what he's talking about.

People do that a lot, they downplay because they don't know how or aren't willing to talk about it, or don't understand. At the end of the day, only you truly know how you feel. I hope you're able to find a more supportive and understanding environment here though

 

[Weebster]

People do that a lot, they downplay because they don't know how or aren't willing to talk about it, or don't understand. At the end of the day, only you truly know how you feel. I hope you're able to find a more supportive and understanding environment here though

"Only you truly know how you feel" is an empowering statement. I always felt bad about being suicidal, but being suicidal as a result of what happened to me is rational. If I die from this, it only reflects that some trauma is too great and I have nothing to be ashamed of.

 

[Sea Turtle]

"Only you truly know how you feel" is an empowering statement. I always felt bad about being suicidal, but being suicidal as a result of what happened to me is rational. If I die from this, it only reflects that some trauma is too great and I have nothing to be ashamed of.

Agreed. Biggest pet peeve is when people try to compare feelings and struggles or claim that life is worth living - sure, maybe from their perspective but everyone lives a different life and has different experiences and feelings. Enough is enough when each individual decides so.

 

[Weebster]

Agreed. Biggest pet peeve is when people try to compare feelings and struggles or claim that life is worth living - sure, maybe from their perspective but everyone lives a different life and has different experiences and feelings. Enough is enough when each individual decides so.

Why do they get upset when you tell them that's their perspective? It's not an objective perspective they have.

 

[Sea Turtle]

Why do they get upset when you tell them that's their perspective? It's not an objective perspective they have.

I only wish people truly understood that. It feels like they see their perspective as fact

 

[Weebster]

I only wish people truly understood that. It feels like they see their perspective as fact

Most people are ridiculous and insufferable. Just another reason to end this existence. Freedom from humanity.

 

[WhiteDespair]

heh, gotta wonder if bringing it up causes them to remember their own thoughts.

 

[lili]

I've heard this saying from I don't know where. "Suicide is contagious". And I think that's maybe one of the reasons why many people back away or are scared or respond angrily.

Humans can act like sponges, absorbing all feelings that are around them, and if someone seems to be this cloud of darkness, people might get scared they will feel the same way. Just like being around negativity a lot will make you feel negative.

So I think at that rate it turns into a fight or flight mode for them, as maybe their body interprets it as some form of a threat.

I do think however this tends to happen with people who have not endured these circumstances before, or at least not experienced trauma. Or people who are in recovery.

I do wish these conversations were more normalized, so someone speaking up about suicide can not be seen as a threat anymore. And for people who haven't gone through trauma, I wish there were a way they could still burst out of their bubble and be more aware that life might be good for them, but there's so many others who are suffering, and people who are doing well should be more empathetic and rid the individualism concept and be there for others who are in need.

I've heard psychologists say that it's up to the self to seek help and help oneself, which is true but it's really sad to think about and I think the community has a level of responsability to help those who are suffering too.

 

[whatevs]

This has been asked and answered more or less correctly multiple times in the forum. I think you will find the pertinent threads with the search bar easily.

 

[FuneralCry]

Suicide is so stigmatised in society and we live in a world where our right to die is not respected. I believe that they cannot comprehend what suicidal people are going through as they are not suicidal themselves. Many of them live under a delusion that life is always worth living and they dismiss those who are suicidal as always being irrational. In reality, wanting suicide can be perfectly rational in a world as horrible as this, for me personally, I do not want to have to put up with decades of pointless suffering.

 

[WonderingSoul]

"Only you truly know how you feel" is an empowering statement. I always felt bad about being suicidal, but being suicidal as a result of what happened to me is rational. If I die from this, it only reflects that some trauma is too great and I have nothing to be ashamed of.

I like this perspective

 

[Starryeyes]

Someone said to me the other day a friend had lost her 21 year old son and proceeded to say he's selfish and took the cowards way out and there was help for him, help for anybody that wants it they just choose not too. I actually wanted to head but her so badly. I said you seem to have a very strong opinion on something so let me ask you…. ' have you ever tried to get this help you seem so adamant is there for anyone!? ' the reply was 'no' and then I went home and cried loads

 

[Weebster]

Someone said to me the other day a friend had lost her 21 year old son and proceeded to say he's selfish and took the cowards way out and there was help for him, help for anybody that wants it they just choose not too. I actually wanted to head but her so badly. I said you seem to have a very strong opinion on something so let me ask you…. ' have you ever tried to get this help you seem so adamant is there for anyone!? ' the reply was 'no' and then I went home and cried loads

Why did you cry?

 

[Mr2005]

If you don't understand them why would they understand you? Btw wishing them suicidal one day is a terrible thing to say

 

[Weebster]

If you don't understand them why would they understand you? Btw wishing them suicidal one day is a terrible thing to say

I never claimed to be virtuous. Your question is a good one.

 

[Starryeyes]

Why did you cry?

Just lost a close friend to suicide and I'm pretty sure her attitude stinks

 

[fox_wannabe]

It crushes their worldview on life. It is like seeing seeing person chocking to death after eating from the same bowl as you. It makes you ask very deep questions and touch your deepest drives, even If you don't want to. How could somebody kill themselves if life IS good.

Because my life Is good so I want to live and in general life is worth living, and dying is scary and I am main hero of my story so I want to live yada yada yada.. mostly survival instinct that has been very internalized.. if that makes any sense.

In order to preserve their worldview that lets them live they need to judge suicide attempts as most unreasonable, crazy thing. I think It is even hardwired.

 

[Superdeterminist]

If you don't understand them why would they understand you? Btw wishing them suicidal one day is a terrible thing to say

It is quite mean. But it's also terrible to mock and invalidate the suicidal, as some of them tend to do. Maybe a little reprisal is due.

Just lost a close friend to suicide and I'm pretty sure her attitude stinks

My mother lost her own brother to suicide, and in no time she was badmouthing him saying similar things. I was beyond disgusted with her, but said nothing to avoid an argument.

 

[Meretlein]

I see an analogy for suicide in the deaf community's reaction cochlear implants. Cochlear implants take people out of the deaf community and allow them join the hearing world. As a social species, someone leaving a community that they are a contributing member of is damaging to said community. This instinct is what underlies much of the anti suicide attitudes that we see. If the primary drive behind suicide prevention was empathy then you would see everyone banding together to get rid of dominance hierarchies that treat the bottom rung of the group like dirt. You don't, as it is not useful for group survival. This is also why assisted suicide for the elderly and disabled is more accepted. This discrepancy in how suicidal ideation is treated in young able bodied people versus disabled and/or older people has been the ire of disability rights organizations.

Vox published an insightful essay on the topic. https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2016/11/21/13693016/assisted-suicide-referendums-philosophy

 

[Deformationalplagio]

Non suidal normies? What is this to you? A joke? A meme? We are just people trying to discuss our suidal thoughts and mental/phisical pain. Dont make it seem like some weard as cult. Calling non suidal people normies is kinda weardo shit. Being suidal is not your next trendy shit go wear some lois vuiton instead of using us as a fashion statement. Wtf

 

[Weebster]

Non suidal normies? What is this to you? A joke? A meme? We are just people trying to discuss our suidal thoughts and mental/phisical pain. Dont make it seem like some weard as cult. Calling non suidal people normies is kinda weardo shit. Being suidal is not your next trendy shit go wear some lois vuiton instead of using us as a fashion statement. Wtf

Word of advice: Never say "we." You can only speak for yourself, and your word-salad opinion means very little to me.

 

[Deformationalplagio]

Word of advice: Never say "we." You can only speak for yourself, and your word-salad opinion means very little to me.

Like i would take advice from a random guy having a 4chan troll name having "death is the final boss in the game of life" type of bullshit. Im deformed what the fuck are you gonna teach me about what life really is.

 

[tieiwi]

Hopefully they will one day

I was abused as a child and obviously became suicidal as a result. I have a family member in my adoptive family who downplays what happened and who then gets mad at me when I tell him he doesn't know what he's talking about.

I'm really sorry about this. I have the same situation. Really sucks when they try to make you feel stupid over your trauma and say it never happened.

 

[Weebster]

Like i would take advice from a random guy having a 4chan troll name having "death is the final boss in the game of life" type of bullshit. Im deformed what the fuck are you gonna teach me about what life really is.

And the name you use outs you as pretentious among other things. We're done here.

I'm really sorry about this. I have the same situation. Really sucks when they try to make you feel stupid over your trauma and say it never happened.

Why do such people do that? What does it matter to them that it actually happened?