Why do homeless people hold on to life an don't ctb?

[StateOfMind]

For a lot of homeless people, it's a choice.

Surely that's bollocks. But maybe I'm missing something here..

 

[Thanatonaut]

Surely that's bollocks. But maybe I'm missing something here..

I assure you it's not. And I'm not saying all homeless want to be homeless. But there are some who are quite insistent to stay in their current circumstances. Maybe it's just inertia. Who knows?

 

[LONE WOLF.]

Man, that's hard.
I wouldn't have the strenght to get through that, I wouldn't be tough enough to make one week let alone years.

I suppose you are a veteran and fought in the US Army.
Why isn't he VA helping veterans out with housing?
That's the least a country can do for you that you fought for for whatever reason.

Everyone deserves to die in dignity under a roof when you exit this world.

Tired of Existing! I'm a Brit, so l didn't serve in the us sniper group, however I worked along them in Basra! Good bunch of lads/and lasses, together we took out many goat humpers Mainly at night with a few daylight run's in between! Good times!

 

[GarageKarate07]

Many homeless people are far happier than taxed citizens. It's a spit in the face to most hard working stressed out rat race people. No tv no internet yet happy as they can be. Could it be that tv and work actually make us sad? Evwn in cold places homeless are living a very very happy life. They dont commit crimes and they do no damage. They go to shelters and soup kitchens and they are very very happy. Sometimes a bottle of booze or some tobacco for a smile. Sometimes just watching traffic and talking about the front page as the world rushes along with their worry and fear. The homeless seem bad at a glance but in many ways they are blessed. You can have a very wonderful time while aleeping under a bridge with your new friends assuming they are kind people as well. They all clique up just like normal people. You ever see a sad or stressed homeless person? Look a little closer. Those people are usually full of smiles and camaraderie.

Tired of Existing! I'm a Brit, so l didn't serve in the us sniper group, however I worked along them in Basra! Good bunch of lads/and lasses, together we took out many goat humpers Mainly at night with a few daylight run's in between! Good times! View attachment 63473

LOL. You bumped the thread! I was looking at the dates and thought it was new. LOL. Still, there are hard things that we cant imagine going through that don't seem so bad once you are there. You had good friends and facilities/fortification (of sorts) in your distant services. Homeless have good friends and help as well. Its easy to make friends when your staring down the barrel in any sort of manner. Much like we all are and even more so in a group like this (SS).

 

[GenesAndEnvironment]

Evwn in cold places homeless are living a very very happy life. They go to shelters and soup kitchens and they are very very happy. You ever see a sad or stressed homeless person? Look a little closer. Those people are usually full of smiles and camaraderie.

Homeless have good friends and help as well. Its easy to make friends when your staring down the barrel in any sort of manner.

 

[GarageKarate07]

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....if they are not frozen to death.... Yes I know

 

[Echo81]

Life just happens.

They say it's a miracle:)

 

[Into The Void]

I've never been homeless myself but I've been friends with a homeless person for a few years now. He lives in a shelter he made near some railroad tracks against a company building. I can tell you that he wants to live, and has no intention in killing himself. I've even talked to him about suicide quite openly but he enjoys life. He gets money for food on the link card and that is all he needs to survive really. He sells some of his link for beer money. He's friends with a lot of the homeless people over there. He's a real manly man in many ways. Deep voice, funny, he would be out going if he could just hold down a job, but he's already 71 so I can't blame him. I'm sure he has some subconscious beliefs from his Christian childhood that has kept him from thinking too much about suicide. But honestly I doubt that has much to do with it. I think he just likes living life. If you ask me in general it has a lot to do with genetics, and/or religion, with a little bit of circumstance.

 

[aneurysm]

Where I live, people intentionally ampute themselves to look pathetic and beg for money and food more easily. They easily shop their legs and hands off. This is to say that different people have different priorities.

(I felt like this was related to the topic, I'm not sure how tho.)

 

[Crusader]

Maybe the homeless don´t have access to reliable and peaceful methods. The only method I could think of in this situation would be carotis-method.

 

[summers]

Homeless people in Key West, FL seem pretty content. I've spoken to a few, they don't have to worry about the cold. They get food from the tourists. A lot of them actually work, but just don't have any need for a permanent house.

I think it really depends on where these homeless people live.

 

[DeadButDreaming]

I know of 2 cases where people have ctb because they were about to become homeless. One case was on this forum; the other was on a forum for people with depression.

I suppose there are people for whom suicide will never be an option.

 

[Lupgevif]

Different people, different minds. People in the most unfortunate of situations might still have hope it can get better, while people in fortunate lives might feel like it is all lost. Nobody can explain it.

 

[Symbiote]

I was homeless during my teenage years, but another dude told me to always stay busy because if he didn't, he would spiral into a hole and try to run out in front of a train or bus. Homeless people are depressed, suicidal, but they stay alive by keeping busy busking or staying at the corner. They also have a lot of common REAL people to hang around and pass the time with. You do enough everyday, and you sleep rough on the sidewalk, but you're so tired, you don't care anymore. Wake up and repeat.

 

[GarageKarate07]

Homeless people in Key West, FL seem pretty content. I've spoken to a few, they don't have to worry about the cold. They get food from the tourists. A lot of them actually work, but just don't have any need for a permanent house.

I think it really depends on where these homeless people live.

I've had homeless friends in Miami who said its the top 10 in th US to be down. Food jobs weather nice people. Can't beat word of mouth. Of course my friends weren't criminals or thieves. They were just hippy kids who traveled around without a care in the world. Wish I had that.

 

[insanedoomer]

They relate to the instinct of life, to its purview, and not to life or the attempt to survive

 

[Echo81]

Where I live, people intentionally ampute themselves to look pathetic and beg for money and food more easily. They easily shop their legs and hands off. This is to say that different people have different priorities.

(I felt like this was related to the topic, I'm not sure how tho.)

Oh my God!!! This sounds worse than suicide. There are worse things than death. This is a good time to say I would rather kill myself.

 

[TriggerHappy]

...I did volunteerwork with at-risk youth (drugs / prostitution / homeless)
the reality / tragedy is that there is a 95% survival rate and a 2 % recovery rate - the cops say that 98% will die a violent death (overdose / fighting / suicide) don't think for a moment they don't think about ctb'ing.
guess it's survival mode (I was on the streets for about 1 month as a teenager) in survival mode - getting high / having sex to get high (any minute It coulda flipped and i wouldn't be here). it's really difficult to have normal relationships when they were nothing more than transactions - i became subhuman i guess... anyway I got arrested and sentenced to farm rehab that (then) saved my life... i was lucky i guess

 

[Spitfire]

I think it has been four years now since the time when I was living in a vehicle on the streets. I had a homeless buddy named Travis (or Mike.. depending who was asking).

He definitely gets an award for being one of the best people I ever met, and a closest friend of mine that I will ever get to have during this life!

I really miss him and this thread reminds me of him making me think about that time.

I always thought of him and it was an instant connection and other homeless and druggies and bad people were after both of us it seemed it was every day.

Travis protected me... like real good family.

I believe he died of an overdose was what I heard when I no longer saw him and then the monsters started coming out attacking me until I got off the streets and started living with a man and his girlfriend (an older couple) whom I did not know, until more help was provided me.

I am just thinking of that time

 

[roguetrader]

All about what you expect out of life. Some people are happy just to be alive, even with almost nothing. You see super old people, all wrinkly and hunched over still fighting to live.....

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

I used to always be willing to give money to homeless people until they started following me around. One time I even gave one 20 whole dollars which is more than I could afford considering I only got $80 dollars a month from my mom while I was living in my college dorms and had no other job but he still demanded more.

Another time I got scammed into giving 50 dollars to someone who wasn't even homeless, he just made up a fake story about how he needed gas money to go to his sick wife and when I gave it to him, he too tried to get more out of me to the point where he even followed me to the ATM but when I had no more money, he left. I saw him later in the distance trying to pull the same Schlock on someone else. Since then I don't contribute a cent to the homeless no matter how much they beg even though I have more money now.

Sorry for that little anecdote. To answer your question, maybe homeless people are less likely to CTB simply because they don't have access to a method. It's not like they can always get online and order SN. Maybe they're too mentally far gone to even have the clarity to CTB properly.

I think if I became homeless I would just wait until I die of either thirst, exposure, or starvation. Unfortunately all of these methods take way too long and give plenty of time for survival instinct to kick in so that's probably why so many are still alive. I think contrary to the average citizen, it's in the local government's best interest if more homeless people die commit suicide since they don't/really contribute. Who knows, maybe one day suicide will be outright encouraged among them and then we'd have an easy out. I wonder if euthanasia is cheaper to run than all the shelters and soup kitchens?

 

[alown]

I'd rather die than be homeless.

I think homeless people who are not suicidal chose this life by choice, sometimes not. but face freezing temperatures at night in winter and sleep hungry, being stripped, beaten. I prefer to kill myself. I also think that most homeless people do not have the choice of an easy method of suicide, sometimes even to find a rope and to hang themselves it is complicated for them.

I hope that if I find myself in this situation, I will be able to use a friend's address to order pento with a reserve of bitcoin on a dedicated email just in case.

I knew a homeless person who was thinking about how to kill himself and end this daily life of misery and he did not know what to do in his situation...

 

[EmbraceOfTheVoid]

Homeless people don't have easy access to humane methods because they don't have the information or resources to get them.

I don't believe that homelessness itself is a defining reason for someone to end their life. If you had a decent life prior to being homeless then you're probably not going to think about suicide. On the other hand if someone experienced debilitating health problems or went through traumatic events then homelessness would be the final nail in the coffin for them to end their life.

It's not a matter of being homeless, it's a matter of your life experiences prior to it. If I was out on the street right now there'd be no doubt in my mind to CTB at that very moment considering the rest of my life was already worthless.

 

[deleted]

most homeless people in my country are only alive to use more and more drugs, for me the only thing that keeps my pathetic life bearable is having a hot bed, hot shower, and internet, without those three things it's like taking a pillar out of a castle I'm a little crazy

 

[Mixo]

I was homeless in 2018 because I became chronically ill, lost my job, and my family were not willing to step in or acknowledge I was ill. It didn't take long before I ended up living out of my car. I contemplated suicide just about every single day and one day, I came extremely close to doing it when I was parked up in a park nearby. I was planning on overdosing (not with recreational drugs but another method that's popular here) - unfortunately my plan was foiled by an accident.

I think part of it is that when you're homeless, you are kind of constantly driven by the task of the next meal, the next place to sleep, the next place to relieve yourself (i.e. bathroom), the next charging station to power your devices, etc. - it keeps you much busier than you think. And when you're in that mode of trying to meet certain needs, it is hard to also be in the ctb mode. They kind of oppose each other naturally.

When I reached a state of fatigue/exhaustion from having to seek out food, a safe place to park, avoiding police, etc. - that was when I finally felt ready internally to go somewhere secluded and just overdose. I don't know if this answer was helpful at all, sorry if it wasn't.

 

[Butterfly65]

Could be for various reasons, but I think a big one is that suicide is difficult.

Because the survival instinct is strong. Most are alcoholics and drug addicts or mentally ill. You can't live like that for long and maintain sanity.

I was homeless in 2018 because I became chronically ill, lost my job, and my family were not willing to step in or acknowledge I was ill. It didn't take long before I ended up living out of my car. I contemplated suicide just about every single day and one day, I came extremely close to doing it when I was parked up in a park nearby. I was planning on overdosing (not with recreational drugs but another method that's popular here) - unfortunately my plan was foiled by an accident.

I think part of it is that when you're homeless, you are kind of constantly driven by the task of the next meal, the next place to sleep, the next place to relieve yourself (i.e. bathroom), the next charging station to power your devices, etc. - it keeps you much busier than you think. And when you're in that mode of trying to meet certain needs, it is hard to also be in the ctb mode. They kind of oppose each other naturally.

When I reached a state of fatigue/exhaustion from having to seek out food, a safe place to park, avoiding police, etc. - that was when I finally felt ready internally to go somewhere secluded and just overdose. I don't know if this answer was helpful at all, sorry if it wasn't.

Curious, what stopped you? Did you find a way to stop being homeless and living like that?

 

[esoterispeec]

Recently saw a bunch of youtube videos of "skid row", Los Angeles and it's homeless population.
It must be even worse in winter time in other places all around the world.
Corona makes the homeless population grow here in europe, I guess it will explode in the USA after all this mess is sorted out.

I wouldn't consider myself "well off" or happy in life, heck that's why people join the SS Website in the first place.

Yet I can't imagine not having a roof over my head, sleep with an open eye and drag on day to day, looking for food and resources.
My guess is I would seek solace in CTB right away with whatever method at hand.
The street would beat down my survival instinct within days.
What I can't execute in a comfty home would become number one priority out in the cold.

How do homeless people hold on on this terrible life then?
They must be way stronger than guys like me, or am I missing something?

One could ask the same question for blind people, prisoners, or old people in care homes. I guess we are trapped by shackled by the will to live and only a few, only a small percentage of people have the courage to ctb. I mean all of us want to ctb but haven't had the ability to do it so far. It is estimated that 1 billion people suffer from depression all of them probably have suicidal thoughts, but there are only 1 million suicides annually.

 

[Toptock]

Being homeless is miserable, but a few individuals I've known who spoke about their experience said it was almost entirely pride that kept them from it. That they knew they could fight and survive, so they did. It's the human condition to fight against helplessness, I wouldn't imagine it doesn't extend to parts of society we don't usually focus on.
Marcus, a friend of mine, spent several years as a vagrant travelling from Cali to Oregon, and he was able to eventually start his own landscaping business. However, this doesn't mean much in the grand scheme of things, when compared to the prospect of CTB in general as an option to get out of a rough place. Homeless aren't immune to it, it's ignorant to think they're so happy they no longer want to do it, but at the same time if they've found a structure that works, and a community that offers solidarity (Much like us) then that can be enough to quell it for a bit.