Discussion Why are there so few suicides?

[NambaSutra]

Forget the prolifers "one suicide is one too many blah blah"

I just googled and there are only about 800000 suicides every year worldwide. Out of 8 billion people that's only 0.01%

If life is so shitty (and it is) I would expect a lot more than that.

 

[GasMonkey]

Because is difficult.

 

[Gonnerr]

SI and they removed all the easy way to do it , marylin Monroe and jimi hendrix overdosed and died with barbiturates, they were easy to obtain back then , they have been replaced by benzos which are safer.

They are building anti barrier suicide in a lot of famous place to jump , when you when to die , you want to do it in a famous place like the golden gate bridge, not alone in a remote mountain.

I heard it used to be easy to buy 100% pure helium tank, but now it's diluted with some other gas and it might not work.

The list goes on and on.....one day , you will have a chipset in your body and they will know if you are thinking about suicide, and they will put you in a psych ward to rehabilitate you.

This is in our DNA , we are like rats , the more we are the better and spreading everywhere. Why do you think they experiment on rats , because their anatomical, physiological and genetic similarity to humans.

 

[orca87]

Forget the prolifers "one suicide is one too many blah blah"

I just googled and there are only about 800000 suicides every year worldwide. Out of 8 billion people that's only 0.01%

If life is so shitty (and it is) I would expect a lot more than that.

Now break that down by country.
I didn't look it up but I expect that the more "advanced" a country is, the more suicides you'll have.

Now there are two ways to look at it — if it's true:

Life itself isn't so shitty at all, it's just our modern life style, paradox of choice, rat race, modern dating, demise of family, prolonged suffering from life extending modern medicine, or in short: our increasing distance from nature

Or, because it's difficult, people in "undeveloped" countries don't have access to peaceful methods like IG or SN…

 

[boingo]

SI and they removed all the easy way to do it , marylin Monroe and jimi hendrix overdosed and died with barbiturates, they were easy to obtain back then , they have been replaced by benzos which are safer.

They are building anti barrier suicide in a lot of famous place to jump , when you when to die , you want to do it in a famous place like the golden gate bridge, not alone in a remote mountain.

I heard it used to be easy to buy 100% pure helium tank, but now it's diluted with some other gas and it might not work.

The list goes on and on.....one day , you will have a chipset in your body and they will know if you are thinking about suicide, and they will put you in a psych ward to rehabilitate you.

This is in our DNA , we are like rats , the more we are the better and spreading everywhere. Why do you think they experiment on rats , because their anatomical, physiological and genetic similarity to humans.

People will do everything they can to physically stop someone doing it, but not offer any actual help in the time leading up to them being suicidal. It's cruel to take away the means to do it when most people have a history of not being helped when they ask for it, now they don't even have the comfort of knowing they can ctb.

 

[glitterypearls]

SI. "loved ones". so many distraction that keep us going for a while and of course methods being hard to access.

I think it's mostly cause now we can go online and meet people who are struggling with similar things, we trauma bond and then we develop a connection where we beg each others to stay alive for each other, at least that's how it's for most lol

 

[absolomonisgone]

THEY LIE TO YOU. SUICIDE IS MORE COMMON THAN YOU THINK OR TELL YOU. suicide scares everybody. It's the ultimate expression of human freedom......., A FREE human being is a threat to EVERYTHING society holds dear......., anyway we are all from different worlds...., but we all live in big cities in the world. aha. and we are all previledged..., that is we are all richer, exposed or more educated than the average guy in the street. ...., and we are more likely to kill ourselves.

 

[GasMonkey]

Btw those 800.000/year are just the ones who succeed, there are much more attempts, only ~5% of people who try succeed.

 

[LaVieEnRose]

Because most people don't want to die.

I know many people who have dealt with mental illness and general adversity and none of them have the same chronic death wish that I have. It really drives home to me just how unusual my feeling are.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Lots of people have good lives and have no desire to CTB. Others, even with good lives, may have a desire to CTB, but their religion precludes it. Others stick around due to guilt of hurting others. There are a multitude of reason that people may desire to CTB, but never do. And, as already stated, there are MANY more unsuccessful attempts than successful attempts.

 

[redbathingduck]

Now break that down by country.
I didn't look it up but I expect that the more "advanced" a country is, the more suicides you'll have.

Now there are two ways to look at it — if it's true:

Or, because it's difficult, people in "undeveloped" countries don't have access to peaceful methods like IG or SN…

Actually this isn't true, suicides generally happen more in 3rd world countries on average.



It's not the rule but most of the countries with the worst suicide rates aren't as 'advanced'



This data is pretty old so not sure how much it changed but it paints a pretty good picture I think

 

[orca87]

Hmm okay, then I take it back…

Just visually, the "greenest" countries are either underdeveloped or Europe. And the biggest red is in Russia, which is sparsely populated and could make a wrong visual impression….

From that (purely) visual perspective it seems biggest suicide factors are:

Darkness and cold, poverty, modern lifestyle

italy for example seems like a happy place… not too much of that bad modern things, not too much poverty, great wether, good food….

 

[SamTam33]

But let some tell it, suicide is running rampant.

In the US, only about 4% of suicides are successful. If you apply that percentage to the 800k, there are about 20M attempts.

But regardless of how you tweak the numbers, it's well below 1% of the population. Which is why I don't understand how some people can't wrap their tiny heads around the notion that a few of us really don't want to be here.

Their brains tell them that no one born will ever want to die. I mean this in the most literal sense: how stupid do you have to be in order to believe that?

As for your question, I don't think most people see suicide as a option regardless of how shitty their life is.

Why would someone live on the street and eat out of garbage cans instead of dying?

Why do war vets hop around on one leg, having flashbacks and doing PTSD things whenever there's a loud noise as opposed to just dying?

I don't know. People are programmed to stay alive and it takes a particular kind of misfit to set about deprogramming themselves.

 

[orca87]

But let some tell it, suicide is running rampant.

In the US, only about 4% of suicides are successful. If you apply that percentage to the 800k, there are about 20M attempts.

But regardless of how you tweak the numbers, it's well below 1% of the population. Which is why I don't understand how some people can't wrap their tiny heads around the notion that a few of us really don't want to be here.

Their brains tell them that no one born will ever want to die. I mean this in the most literal sense: how stupid do you have to be in order to believe that?

As for your question, I don't think most people see suicide as a option regardless of how shitty their life is.

Why would someone live on the street and eat out of garbage cans instead of dying?

Why do war vets hop around on one leg, having flashbacks and doing PTSD things whenever there's a loud noise as opposed to just dying?

I don't know. People are programmed to stay alive and it takes a particular kind of misfit to set about deprogramming themselves.

This is an interesting take.

My whole life I felt I didn't belong "here". In a way, I also felt I wasn't brainwashed. Like that I saw things without ideological lenses, rather just the brutal reality.

Raises a couple of questions:

Is reality really that brutal and pointless or are "we" pathologically seeing it too negative?
Are people programmed or brainwashed?
Is not feeling brainwashed a result or the cause of feeling the feeling to "not fit in"?
Is not fitting in the cause of desire to ctb?
…?

 

[Rob1984]

A lot of people genuinely don't want to die. From a biological view, we are not wired to want to die. It literally goes against all our instincts. But aside from the biological stuff, a lot of people are either happy, content, or sad (but not miserable to the point of wanting to ctb). A lot of people who aren't necessarily happy still enjoy the little things in life. Whether it's their pets, favorite foods, tv shows, walks in the park, games with a friend, a good book, music, etc.

I have battled with severe depression throughout majority of my life, but I can still recognize the things in life that are beautiful. I'm probably in the minority on this site where I genuinely do not believe existence is inherently a horrible thing. Just because the cards I was dealt were not great doesn't mean everybody else is also dealt horrible cards. Though, if someone subscribes to the extreme ideology that life is nothing more than hell/pain/suffering/etc. then I can understand why a low suicide rate would baffle the shit out of them.

What's interesting though is some of the people who subscribe to that ideology don't recognize that pain is defined by pleasure, and vice versa. They are contingent on eachother. So it does not make sense to think life consists only of pain.

 

[stermc]

Most people do not consider suicide as an option. Many don't want to die. I mean, I know a lot of people and a bunch of them deal with mental illnesses and yet they do not want to die. I only know 5 or 6 people who actually killed themselves. I don't think it is that hard to understand the numbers of suicides per year.

 

[yive]

pro-life brainwashing/delusions/religion, difficulty/bad painful methods/fear of failure, fear of death, biological addictions, staying alive for the sake of others, personal insensitivity etc...

 

[Rob1984]

italy for example seems like a happy place… not too much of that bad modern things, not too much poverty, great wether, good food….

Exactly. One should never underestimate good food

 

[cogmachine]

that's not usually on people's mind, at most it's a fleeting wish. they're miserably strung along through life like npcs. people don't really have much of a reason to continue living a sad life other than for the sake of doing it, and fear of missing out on what could've been. they cope by saying that tomorrow might be better, until they die bitter and resentful of how much they've wasted.

 

[TAW122]

What others have said here, and yes I would say SI is perhaps one of the biggest hurdle towards why many people don't attempt CTB, and those who attempt (again SI interfering with their attempt), they fail because they either hesitate, did not get the execution correctly, or tried to back out mid-attempt (similar to hesitation). Oftenly the methods they choose have a high rate of failure combined with the lack of adequate knowledge and preparation as well, all of which are contributing factors towards whether a CTB attempt is successful or not.

 

[Pink Fluffy Cat]

Not sure about the west but I've read that lots of people in the shithole I come from talking about ctb online, while the static shows that not many people actually put it in practice. Likely due to the difficulty to ctb and the fact how easy you can cope with stimulation these days. I would assume the suicide number go skyrocketed if assisted euthanasia was made accessible to everyone.

 

[SamTam33]

This is an interesting take.

My whole life I felt I didn't belong "here". In a way, I also felt I wasn't brainwashed. Like that I saw things without ideological lenses, rather just the brutal reality.

Raises a couple of questions:

Is reality really that brutal and pointless or are "we" pathologically seeing it too negative?
Are people programmed or brainwashed?
Is not feeling brainwashed a result or the cause of feeling the feeling to "not fit in"?
Is not fitting in the cause of desire to ctb?
…?

To me, the answers are partly due to how we're designed to stay alive because that's what living things do-

Like how plants placed in the shade will twist and bend themselves towards the light. They naturally do the thing that keeps them alive.

-And partly about seeing things for what they are.

We're not born believing life is beautiful. We're taught that.

We're not born believing in gods, we're taught to believe in them.

We're not born believing we have a purpose. We're told to look for one.

But if you reject what you're taught and observe your world with as little bias as possible, then you see how unhappiness was literally built into our existence.

Even if the unhappiness doesn't lead to suicide - you still know that it exists.

You know that people are going to work because they have to, not because they want to.

You know that parents are always tired and spending money and never have enough time.

You know that waiting rooms and traffic jams are filled with people who wish they weren't there.

How come "finding happiness" is a common phrase, but "finding sadness" is not?

Because one of them comes naturally while the other one is a state of being you have to work towards.

Being happy in this world is unnatural.

That's why we need millions of motivational books and podcasts and Ted Talks instructing us on how to do it.

No one has to show you how to be unhappy. That's our default setting: being unhappy, yet doing whatever we have to in order to stay alive.

I think suicidal people are just unhappy people who have found a way to short circuit that survival wiring.

 

[FuneralCry]

Because we exist in this anti suicide society where peaceful suicide methods are restricted from us. The society needs slaves and also selfish people want to force others to suffer so as a result there is so much stigma towards suicide with people lying about suicide being "irrational". It really disgusts me how there is a lack of acceptance towards our right to die, I believe that if methods like N were legal and easily accessible most people would choose to ctb over being trapped here.

 

[KuriGohan&Kamehameha]

I don't even think that the reported numbers are accurate, to be honest, especially if you think about the lack of proper data collection in many rural and underdeveloped parts of the world. I think there are many suicides that go unreported, and are attributed to things like accidental drug overdoses and such, even if those overdoses were planned and deliberate. There's also the grey area of people who were chronically suicidal, and took risky actions to decrease their lifespans without much care for if they lived to see another day or not.

The true number of suicides is probably higher, imo, because only the really cut and dry, open and close cases will be labeled as such in official reports. I've seen some pretty unfortunate videos before filmed in countries like India or Brazil where people claimed they would ctb in secrecy to avoid their families being tortured by loan sharks or gang members. Besides that, there are a lot of rural and derelict villages in many parts of the world where rigorous autopsies may not be performed or cause of death might be tampered on a death certificate due to religious stigma surrounding suicide.

However, it is certainly true that while many people contemplate suicide, very few succeed. I think that survival instincts play a huge role in this. For someone like myself who has a weak stomach and throws up easily, ctb is a lot more difficult to carry out, compared to someone who is impervious to physical pain and has reached the point where they don't care about anything else anymore. There's probably more factors than one can count at play here.

It's an intruiging question, for sure.

 

[AerialBoundaries]

I wish it were more socially acceptable and deemed less tragic than it is. Living in pain is infinitely more tragic.

My concern is that my death would have a domino effect within my family and more would follow in the immediate aftermath. I know for a fact that it would kill my mother if I died.

A lot of people are sticking around for the sake of others.

 

[arachni]

It just happens to be hard to kill yourself. There's religion and stigma and misplaced guilt and random people who don't know anything about you instilling false hope. I feel like there's a lot of people who wish they could go to sleep and wake up dead only to realize that they can't. Dying means jumping off of a cliff or sawing your veins or actively shooting yourself in area xyz or some gruesome bullshit like that. I guess we're fucked in that way.

 

[leavingsoon99]

I can only speak for me...

The SI can be quelled with liquor or something. I am afraid of a failed attempt. I guess, particularly in this society, death is villainized and damned. As if they can save one from death. I've often found it puzzling that a society that loves to 'motivate' by spouting nonsense like "life don't owe you SH*T!!!" while watching people live on the streets and starve is so anti-ctb. Again, that's another conversation altogether. I think death scares humans. Mostly because you can't tax dead people and dead people don't care about humanity's opinion of them.

 

[Zegers]

Suicide is common, just in my area I've heard of people taking the bus. I wouldn't say it's "few" ctb isn't just hitting a button and that's it, it requires a process. Some people think suicide is being restricted, i think the opposite, Exit and all the similar associations growing, sarco, Canada releasing euthanasia.

 

[pharma]

those could just be the ones we know about. people die and go missing all the time and no one is there to document it. or they don't care.

 

[hellispink]

Most people are selfish and evil. When one is evil one doesn't get affected much and one enjoys living to maje others life a misery. Most people are scared of death or conditioned over religion ur other beliefs. Others get accustomed to be hurt and hurt others to get away with their deeds. Humans are egocentric they refuse to let go and accept they not as important to nature as they think. Humans seek to destroy posses they selfish . When one is selfish even giving up on life seems like a big task