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4everHeartBroken

4everHeartBroken

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I do believe the rise with home internet connections in the 90s helped many to realize their religion isn't real or perhaps people learning suicide methods online. But suicide rates still continued to rise steadily, even after the internet became popular in homes back in the 90s. So what IS IT that is making more people want to CTB globally?
 
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1043169

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Poverty is probably a big one. Bullying. Rise of fascism. Discrimination laws. Lack of mental health support.

I think those are some of the big ones.

But yeah, online you can probably get more info on how to do it 'right'.
 
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LemonLimePie

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Is it really true that suicides are rising because of the internet? I remember seeing once that suicide rates rise and fall often, I think we're still below a suicide rate peak in the 80s.
 
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4everHeartBroken

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Is it really true that suicides are rising because of the internet? I remember seeing once that suicide rates rise and fall often, I think we're still below a suicide rate peak in the 80s.
I'm just speculating from the 90s about the internet. But we've had internet now for such a long time now. So I'm curious why suicide rates are still on the rise?
 
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murmur

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I thought globally it's on the decline? While of course some countries are on the incline (US being one)
 
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divinemistress36

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Social media leading to more people isolating and.online bullying and high cost of living?
 
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Seered Doom

Seered Doom

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Social media, isolation, bullying, abuse, PTSD being on the rise...those are a few reasons I can think of
 
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Genuinely think it is because of the internet and social media. People are spending 1/3 of their day sleeping, 1/3 of their day working shit jobs and 1/3 of their day staring at a screen. In the past that last part was usually replaced by going to community places like church or places where they could talk to people.

People were a lot more present and grounded in reality which fueled a lot more connections and less isolation. There were no dopamine machines like TikTok or Twitter, so people were practically forced to go outside and do stuff. If you wanted to escape reality back then, the only way to do that is by opening up a fantasy book.

We are all trapped in a normalized addiction prison and nobody realizes how damaging it really is to our mental health and social fabric. I think if all forms of social media got turned off for a year we would all be very surprised on how much the world would change to the positive.
 
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lacrimosa

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Jul 1, 2024
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There is very little hope regarding the future. The threat of being on the brink of WW3 and the media reporting on the hell this world really is. Terrorism, climate change, serial killers, the list can go on and on. But, given the current state of the world, I am not surprised.

Plus you have mental health crises in multiple countries and a lack of resources to combat these bleak situations. Also, the junk on TV that is basically adding gasoline to the fire, that teaches us to fear thy neighbour.

It's exhausting... I empathize with those whom find it hard not to be ignorant or blame others (immigrants, governments, etcetera) for the state of the world. When really, it's just us... Humans are to blame and we have evolved to become the most brutal animal of all, to paraphrase Anton Lavey...
 
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Going up? I think suicide rates are going down globally, probably due to better treatment.

The number of suicides is up but there are more people but as a percentage it's going downwards.
 
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lacrimosa

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Jul 1, 2024
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Going up? I think suicide rates are going down globally, probably due to better treatment.

The number of suicides is up but there are more people but as a percentage it's going downwards.

Suicide rates are actively increasing around the globe. It is an increasingly common idealization, with someone considering taking their own life every 40 seconds.[2] From the years 2000–2021 suicide rates have gone up approximately 36%.[3]
 
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Defenestration

Defenestration

I want to have the courage to defenestrate myself
Oct 25, 2020
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I had seen that in my country there were fewer suicides than in the 20th century. and it's a bit grim but given people's lives I wonder why there aren't more suicides? how do they hold on?
 
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Rational man

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Maybe the way these stats are recorded, needs to be examined to fully understand. I noticed a rise after the pandemic but that may feed into the poverty, ill health and war mongering that appears to be prevalent. It also occured to me that there's alot of discontented people for many reasons no doubt. In my case, ill health after the c19 vax has essentially destroyed me and I plan to follow a legal route to assistance in dying when the time is right.
 
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ijustwishtodie

ijustwishtodie

death will be my ultimate bliss
Oct 29, 2023
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I think it's because more and more people are becoming aware of their situation. They're being more aware of how shit life is and how work is just constant wage slavery for decades. They're becoming more aware due to the increasing cost of living
 
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malevolentdiety

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Mar 16, 2024
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Poverty is probably a big one. Bullying. Rise of fascism. Discrimination laws. Lack of mental health support.

I think those are some of the big ones.

But yeah, online you can probably get more info on how to do it 'right'.
Social media loneliness
I just read that suicide is a leading cause of suicide for men under 50 in many continents
 
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lacrimosa

Student
Jul 1, 2024
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I really wish that people could just not be savage but that's not reality. The reality is more akin to a dog eat dog mentality and the human condition is a reflection of this. I really wish Jesus would come back and set things right, but his phone has been put on silent for the last 2000ish years.

So, what can we do? We can help one another and stop being so selfish. Live in communes where there's a sense of community. Preach peace and love. We have to take a stand against tyranny and do what's right within our own capacity. We can win, we have to. Otherwise, there won't be much left except for world-wide misery and suffering...
 
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snow leopard

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Dec 14, 2021
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I do believe the rise with home internet connections in the 90s helped many to realize their religion isn't real or perhaps people learning suicide methods online. But suicide rates still continued to rise steadily, even after the internet became popular in homes back in the 90s. So what IS IT that is making more people want to CTB globally?
Growing Awarness and the New Age s/
 
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ringo99

ringo99

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Apr 18, 2023
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Social isolation, financial hardship, wages not keeping up with inflation, high levels of unemployment and under-employment, lack of job security for all but those at the highest levels of economic power, an impending sense of doom from biased mainstream media with no counter balance, deepening rifts in society along ideological lines, democracy and basic human rights being eroded steadily, the looming threat of AI becoming sentient. Let me know if I missed anything
 
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Dayrain

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Feb 3, 2023
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@4everHeartBroken I don't trust the statistics, but the rise of the internet the time of consumption of journalism has risen, as well as the recklessness of reporting with regard to privacy, which does want to manipulate us.
 
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untothedepths

untothedepths

I am falling I am fading I have lost it all
Mar 20, 2023
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Poverty, late stage capitalism, disgusting human rights violations, pollution which makes water undrinkable/unfit for use, war/genocides...to name a few. Top this off with the establishment having all the money and they pay their military well, it may unlikely be we will ever have a revolution if things get worse. I wouldn't want that, I don't want to kill anyone, hell, I'll kill myself before that, but I can't think of how long this is all going to be sustainable if people can't care about the whole world and each other rather than some shitty, stupid fucking concept called money. Greed utilizing the tool of hate really has worked, and dupes people into believing whatever nonsense they need to. We are BLESSED with the ability to do SO MUCH in comparison to our more ancient humans, and yet, we continue to behave in barbaric ways. I really don't think you need to look that hard to see why someone would be in a situation to commit suicide. And i mean, in any part of the world almost. I hate that this is our reality. Every waking moment I despise it. if I had even one modicum of power to make an impactful change i would.

Love lost, and greed won. That's your tldr.
 
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4everHeartBroken

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Feb 11, 2024
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Genuinely think it is because of the internet and social media. People are spending 1/3 of their day sleeping, 1/3 of their day working shit jobs and 1/3 of their day staring at a screen. In the past that last part was usually replaced by going to community places like church or places where they could talk to people.

People were a lot more present and grounded in reality which fueled a lot more connections and less isolation. There were no dopamine machines like TikTok or Twitter, so people were practically forced to go outside and do stuff. If you wanted to escape reality back then, the only way to do that is by opening up a fantasy book.

We are all trapped in a normalized addiction prison and nobody realizes how damaging it really is to our mental health and social fabric. I think if all forms of social media got turned off for a year we would all be very surprised on how much the world would change to the positive.
Love this… especially the last sentence. ❤️
 
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Placo

At Eternity's Gates
Feb 14, 2024
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I do believe the rise with home internet connections in the 90s helped many to realize their religion isn't real or perhaps people learning suicide methods online. But suicide rates still continued to rise steadily, even after the internet became popular in homes back in the 90s. So what IS IT that is making more people want to CTB globally?
Do you have sources to support this thesis? I checked the statistics and in my country they have decreased compared to the early 2000s, sources updated to 2020 however, in the United States they are increasing.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/187465/death-rate-from-suicide-in-the-us-since-1950/
 
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4everHeartBroken

Student
Feb 11, 2024
192
Going up? I think suicide rates are going down globally, probably due to better treatment.

The number of suicides is up but there are more people but as a percentage it's going downwards.
Yeah, I tried to correct above. Sorry about that. I should've asked, why in the US.
Do you have sources to support this thesis? I checked the statistics and in my country they have decreased compared to the early 2000s, sources updated to 2020 however, in the United States they are increasing.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/187465/death-rate-from-suicide-in-the-us-since-1950/
Yeah, I was thinking the entire country (the US), not globally. Sorry about that.
 
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1911

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Nov 3, 2023
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Poverty, late stage capitalism, disgusting human rights violations, pollution which makes water undrinkable/unfit for use, war/genocides...to name a few. Top this off with the establishment having all the money and they pay their military well, it may unlikely be we will ever have a revolution if things get worse. I wouldn't want that, I don't want to kill anyone, hell, I'll kill myself before that, but I can't think of how long this is all going to be sustainable if people can't care about the whole world and each other rather than some shitty, stupid fucking concept called money. Greed utilizing the tool of hate really has worked, and dupes people into believing whatever nonsense they need to. We are BLESSED with the ability to do SO MUCH in comparison to our more ancient humans, and yet, we continue to behave in barbaric ways. I really don't think you need to look that hard to see why someone would be in a situation to commit suicide. And i mean, in any part of the world almost. I hate that this is our reality. Every waking moment I despise it. if I had even one modicum of power to make an impactful change i would.

Love lost, and greed won. That's your tldr.
This was the answer that I was looking for. I couldn't have said it better myself.
 
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KuriGohan&Kamehameha

KuriGohan&Kamehameha

想死不能 - 想活不能
Nov 23, 2020
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Genuinely think it is because of the internet and social media. People are spending 1/3 of their day sleeping, 1/3 of their day working shit jobs and 1/3 of their day staring at a screen. In the past that last part was usually replaced by going to community places like church or places where they could talk to people.

People were a lot more present and grounded in reality which fueled a lot more connections and less isolation. There were no dopamine machines like TikTok or Twitter, so people were practically forced to go outside and do stuff. If you wanted to escape reality back then, the only way to do that is by opening up a fantasy book.

We are all trapped in a normalized addiction prison and nobody realizes how damaging it really is to our mental health and social fabric. I think if all forms of social media got turned off for a year we would all be very surprised on how much the world would change to the positive.
Agree wholeheartedly with this. Maybe a decade ago, the internet wasn't as toxic to the mind as it is now, especially when the net sphere was full of niche hobby forums and chatrooms as opposed to social media and internet presence being a requirement for many workplaces and aspects of life.

When I was growing up, the main thing the people around me used the internet for was printing off directions from the map, games, auctions, and forums. It seemed like the culture of the internet as a whole had more soul to it, while now the entire thing is a giant billboard ad for the influencer of the day, all homogenised, corporate slop. Paradoxically, things meant to bring people together like social media actually tore the fabric of society apart.

There is so much hostility and loneliness in the world today. While I think other factors do certainly play a role in why more people are miserable today, I think the lack of socializing and lack of community/social cohesion is probably one of the key reasons, if not the biggest contributor imo. Not only do people stay indoors more, don't go out as much, and stick to solitary activities, but it seems like many younger people especially in Gen Z are completely addicted to the internet and have very little regard for other people unless it's a trendy cause on social media to be flaunted for clout.

People don't know their neighbours anymore in many western countries, they don't know the names and faces of the fellow humans in their communities, everyone is a stranger to each other at best, or a potential danger at worst. Promoting an atomised, individualised society as the way to live ultimately ends in palpable isolation. Nowadays, many people have the attitude that those around them are not even entitled to the slightest bit of kindness, everyone is trying to "get theirs" so to speak and acts as if the wellbeing of others is inconsequential.

Not only are there very few ways to organically meet people in the real world, but if you do manage to meet new people and try to make friends, the social dynamics are so fucked that there's a high chance nothing will come out of that initial interaction. Because of social media, people want to present a glamorized, perfect life to the public, it's either all picturesque travel and food photos or sarcastic memes on everyone's pages, there is never any vulnerability, sincerity, or depth. It's all surface level nonsense most of the time. Making close friendships can be a herculean task.

Despite there being such an influx of loneliness creeping up on adults now, there is also still so much absurd judgement from those who do have their social needs met, who pretend this is not a widespread societal problem and always blame the individual. Oh, you just need to try harder and get out more, just go to a gym, take a class, you're not trying! Yet, those people dishing out the advice usually have long term friendships since their school days and robust family support. They don't realize how completely isolated many adults are once they leave education behind enter the workforce.

With social media one click away, every interaction can be scrutinized, filmed, documented, and dissected under a microscope. One post or interaction can have disastrous consequences. It's not unheard of for people to get photographed having a wild night out and get sacked if someone takes a picture of the employee playing beer pong or wearing a revealing outfit. Live to work, with no outlet for relaxation and play. Conversations, photos, videos, etc can all be leaked at any time if someone hates you enough. There's no real privacy, and everyone is expected to morph into a bland professional persona at a certain stage in their life, with no personality other than being a corporate drone, with a faux morally righteous persona.

It's no wonder life loses it's meaning for so many people nowadays, when the expectation is to work and then sit alone all the time. I saw an extremely depressing post the other day where a man who just hit his 30s and graduated from a post grad degree asked if he could still attend some university societies for hobbies after his graduation (as there were no other groups in his area for certain activities) and many commenters jumped the gun accusing him of being a "nonce" and a freak, telling him he needed to grow up. If the idea of a 30 year old being "too old" to have any hobbies except going to the gym- or even talking to other adults in a shared interest group- is seen as creepy and scandalous, we have lost the plot as a society.

So many people have no real friends or connections, no one to count on, and then if you go online lamenting this all you get is the canned response that there's no loneliness epidemic, you just need to go to the gym more and embrace staring at your four walls. Also, there are unprecedented rates of Autism with the numbers climbing every year. For each one of us that gets diagnosed, comes the realization that there will be a lifetime of social struggles and rejection. Suicidal ideation and self harm is extremely common for us autistic people.
 
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golta

golta

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Apr 14, 2024
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We're in a time of crisis, is it normal for people to rather die than live in bad conditions
 
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4everHeartBroken

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Agree wholeheartedly with this. Maybe a decade ago, the internet wasn't as toxic to the mind as it is now, especially when the net sphere was full of niche hobby forums and chatrooms as opposed to social media and internet presence being a requirement for many workplaces and aspects of life.

When I was growing up, the main thing the people around me used the internet for was printing off directions from the map, games, auctions, and forums. It seemed like the culture of the internet as a whole had more soul to it, while now the entire thing is a giant billboard ad for the influencer of the day, all homogenised, corporate slop. Paradoxically, things meant to bring people together like social media actually tore the fabric of society apart.

There is so much hostility and loneliness in the world today. While I think other factors do certainly play a role in why more people are miserable today, I think the lack of socializing and lack of community/social cohesion is probably one of the key reasons, if not the biggest contributor imo. Not only do people stay indoors more, don't go out as much, and stick to solitary activities, but it seems like many younger people especially in Gen Z are completely addicted to the internet and have very little regard for other people unless it's a trendy cause on social media to be flaunted for clout.

People don't know their neighbours anymore in many western countries, they don't know the names and faces of the fellow humans in their communities, everyone is a stranger to each other at best, or a potential danger at worst. Promoting an atomised, individualised society as the way to live ultimately ends in palpable isolation. Nowadays, many people have the attitude that those around them are not even entitled to the slightest bit of kindness, everyone is trying to "get theirs" so to speak and acts as if the wellbeing of others is inconsequential.

Not only are there very few ways to organically meet people in the real world, but if you do manage to meet new people and try to make friends, the social dynamics are so fucked that there's a high chance nothing will come out of that initial interaction. Because of social media, people want to present a glamorized, perfect life to the public, it's either all picturesque travel and food photos or sarcastic memes on everyone's pages, there is never any vulnerability, sincerity, or depth. It's all surface level nonsense most of the time. Making close friendships can be a herculean task.

Despite there being such an influx of loneliness creeping up on adults now, there is also still so much absurd judgement from those who do have their social needs met, who pretend this is not a widespread societal problem and always blame the individual. Oh, you just need to try harder and get out more, just go to a gym, take a class, you're not trying! Yet, those people dishing out the advice usually have long term friendships since their school days and robust family support. They don't realize how completely isolated many adults are once they leave education behind enter the workforce.

With social media one click away, every interaction can be scrutinized, filmed, documented, and dissected under a microscope. One post or interaction can have disastrous consequences. It's not unheard of for people to get photographed having a wild night out and get sacked if someone takes a picture of the employee playing beer pong or wearing a revealing outfit. Live to work, with no outlet for relaxation and play. Conversations, photos, videos, etc can all be leaked at any time if someone hates you enough. There's no real privacy, and everyone is expected to morph into a bland professional persona at a certain stage in their life, with no personality other than being a corporate drone, with a faux morally righteous persona.

It's no wonder life loses it's meaning for so many people nowadays, when the expectation is to work and then sit alone all the time. I saw an extremely depressing post the other day where a man who just hit his 30s and graduated from a post grad degree asked if he could still attend some university societies for hobbies after his graduation (as there were no other groups in his area for certain activities) and many commenters jumped the gun accusing him of being a "nonce" and a freak, telling him he needed to grow up. If the idea of a 30 year old being "too old" to have any hobbies except going to the gym or talking to other adults in a shared interest group is seen as creepy and scandalous, we have lost the plot as a society.

So many people have no real friends or connections, no one to count on, and then if you go online lamenting this all you get is the canned response that there's no loneliness epidemic, you just need to go to the gym more and embrace staring at your four walls. Also, there are unprecedented rates of Autism with the numbers climbing every year. For each one of us that gets diagnosed, comes the realization that there will be a lifetime of social struggles and rejection. Suicidal ideation and self harm is extremely common for us autistic people.
Holy shit! I feel like I'm reading my own thoughts reading through all this! People on this site are REAL AF.
 
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