Why are people so quick to call for this website to be shut down but don't have the same energy for mental health support?

[shay23]

I'm looking at Twitter and multiple accounts are calling for this website to be shut down and there are accounts dedicated to bringing this site down. Petitions to bring this site down.
People are so outraged by this website existing but are not outraged by the fact mental health support is appalling. So many people are dismissed or support is non-accessible due to lack of funding to provide the services we need, waiting lists are too long or help is too expensive to afford.
Do they not realise this is our last resort because we are not supported by the government or society? How we are misunderstood by society?
I have been denied help endless times despite being suicidal. The day after I was hospitalised for a suicide attempt the doctor denied me help because I showered that day and apparently that's not what mentally ill people do. I've been told I'm "slim and attractive" so I have no reason to be depressed. I've been on a 3 year waiting list only to never be seen. I've been told I can't get help for BPD because BPD isn't real. This does not only happen to me, this happens to many people who try to reach out. Society deems us "lazy" or "attention seeking" until it's too late.
The outrage about this site needs to be directed to the outrage that suicidal people lack support and are demonised by society. By banning suicide support forums and making peaceful methods inaccessible it is only forcing people into a darker place where suicide methods will be less peaceful and more likely to be violent (hanging, train, jumping etc).
If someone is suicidal they will find a way to do it, this site does not contribute to that or encourage it. I have been suicidal since I was 10 years old and I've accepted my fate, this site makes me feel more informed and understood.
The call for this site to be banned is just another way we are being misunderstood.

 

[woxihuanni]

Mental health issues are not the only reason people are here. There are problems with handling cases of abuse, homelessness, loss of means as a result of defraudment and breaking contracts, so on and so forth. None of them issues those fuckers are interested in. They merely want you to die in agonising ways instead of dignified or peaceful ones. Stop being naive enough to think they are interested in keeping anybody alive.

 

[TheGoodGuy]

Mental health issues are not the only reason people are here. There are problems with handling cases of abuse, homelessness, loss of means as a result of defraudment and breaking contracts, so on and so forth. None of them issues those fuckers are interested in. They merely want you to die in agonising ways instead of dignified or peaceful ones. Stop being naive enough to think they are interested in keeping anybody alive.

Not to mention chronical physical illnesses but because it´s not cancer nobody gives a shit about people suffering from this untreatable illnesses but the majority of citizens seem to be okay with people with cancer getting assisted suicide.

 

[shay23]

Mental health issues are not the only reason people are here. There are problems with handling cases of abuse, homelessness, loss of means as a result of defraudment and breaking contracts, so on and so forth. None of them issues those fuckers are interested in. They merely want you to die in agonising ways instead of dignified or peaceful ones. Stop being naive enough to think they are interested in keeping anybody alive.

No of course. Lack of support and understanding will apply to the issues you mentioned as well and many more issues that suicidal people face.
I think they are trying to force people to live in situations and with mental and/or physical pain without understanding it and demonising this website when it's actually a societal problem as people with these issues that lead them to suicide are not cared for properly. E.g. if someone lost their home due to COVID and end up killing themselves, these pro-lifers will be shocked at the act of suicide rather than realising there is an issue with the system that keeps them in the bad place such as not having eviction bans in the pandemic or how so many people haven't had financial support by the government.

Not to mention chronical physical illnesses but because it´s not cancer nobody gives a shit about people suffering from this untreatable illnesses but the majority of citizens seem to be okay with people with cancer getting assisted suicide.

Sorry I wrote in a rush, I mean all the issues which lead people to suicidal thoughts don't have support or understanding. The issue is not this website 'glorifying' or 'normalising' suicide as people will commit suicide no matter what. It's just hypocritical that people are calling for this website to be shut down but not a reform in how we are treated and supported.

 

[JustABunchOfAtoms]

Where are these petitions and things?

 

[shay23]

Where are these petitions and things?

If you search on Twitter 'sanctioned suicide website' you can see all the tweets and then there is a change.org petition also, I completely understand people are upset/angry that they've lost a loved one who used this site but it's not the site that is the problem. Banning this website won't prevent any suicides.

Sign the Petition

SHUTDOWN ILLEGAL Sanctioned Suicideâ.âCom Stop the encouragement of suicide that they give

www.change.org

 

[Broken Chimera]

Most pro lifers have tunnel vision. They probably lost someone to suicide then started fighting other suicidal people to try to make up for it. It's not about us as much as it's about them not looking at the real reasons. They didn't care before suicide, you think they care now?

They want to stay the same but want us to change. That's why they want this place gone. They can't control the people that are gone, so they move on to the next group of easy targets, us.

 

[TheGoodGuy]

Sorry I wrote in a rush, I mean all the issues which lead people to suicidal thoughts don't have support or understanding. The issue is not this website 'glorifying' or 'normalising' suicide as people will commit suicide no matter what. It's just hypocritical that people are calling for this website to be shut down but not a reform in how we are treated and supported.

Because people are sheep they can´t think outside the box and can´t climb down from their high horse while they believe they are morally right because they think they are "saving" lives, nope they are keeping people who are suffering alive which is not to be confused with living but we see that in the extreme when people lie in a hospital bed while being kept artificially alive just because their heart still beats despite they are braindead and the family has to decide when to pull the plug, meanwhile if you drive into an animal and it breaks a bone they will euthanize it.

And to the topic of this forum it informs! And every almost every day I see so many posts saying people should reconsider another method for less painful death and/or do more research but the people who want to shut this site down is so close minded (dare I say retarded) that they just think suicide = bad a beating heart = good. People will continue to try and commit suicide without knowing anything about the risks. And this site does not encourage suicide the people here discuss it it´s not like anyone here tells anyone you should do it do it now! But the sheep probably see it this way because the members here mostly discuss how to succeed with a certain method and since it´s a sanctuary for suicidal people to discuss openly about method it´s not weird if people outside of this forum see more suicidal discussion than "recovery" since people who come here it often people looking for a way out after trying to better themselves while suffering for years or decades so of course there are more suicide discussion than recovery discussion because this site is basically the last stop before the members ctb but we still people say they are living this site and give life another chance and also people with no friends like me at least have a community where I am social although online but still better than nothing and I can speak to like minded people without being persecuted which suicidal people can´t no NO WHERE in real life because suicide is such a taboo so as soon as you mention it get ready for the pro-life handbook "it´s selfish" "you have so much to live for" "we will miss you and it will ruin our lives" i.e. all this guilt tripping so if this site got closed down no one will have anyone to turn to because as I said you can´t tell family or if you have friends because their close minded pro-life view and you can´t talk to a shrink because if you tell too much you risk getting involuntary committed to a psych ward as we have seen countless times happening to members on here so the members would have to keep all their suicidal thought bottled up.

 

[Symbiote]

Shutting this site down won't do them any good since another one can be created. People will still suicide whether with or without this place. Doesn't matter if it's children, adults, or elderly. The people wanting this site to be shut down are just bored Karens who don't give a rat's ass about mental health, but feel they should stick to a cause to stay relevant in life. Bunch of sad sycophants with nothing better to do except screech and cry over a bunch of people that just want to peacefully exit.

 

[ecmnesia]

make it seem like they care and are "solving the problem" without actually doing something effective about it. way easier to blame on the site instead of fighting the causes of the "problem".

 

[Lilacmoon]

they just would rather blame a website than blame themselves.

 

[woxihuanni]

My situation rather puts a spanner in the works for any Karens in my life. They cannot say they didn't see it coming, they cannot say it was depression I battled. They either have to shut up or confess they did nothing to prevent a forced suicide.

 

[ecmnesia]

honestly I'd like to see their arguments against suicide. anyone knows where I can find it?

 

[Deleted member 17949]

The vast majority of people don't really understand why mental healthy support is bad.

 

[muffin222]

They don't have first hand experience with the mental health care system, so they don't understand the huge underlying problems. In their minds, they believe that just stopping people from committing suicide is enough to fix the problem

 

[it's_all_a_game]

Suicide isn't always a mental health issue. Some folks, like me, just want to end their lives; nothing depressing about it. Of course, most refuse to understand that.

 

[Antigonish]

I'm looking at Twitter and multiple accounts are calling for this website to be shut down and there are accounts dedicated to bringing this site down. Petitions to bring this site down.
People are so outraged by this website existing but are not outraged by the fact mental health support is appalling. So many people are dismissed or support is non-accessible due to lack of funding to provide the services we need, waiting lists are too long or help is too expensive to afford.
Do they not realise this is our last resort because we are not supported by the government or society? How we are misunderstood by society?
I have been denied help endless times despite being suicidal. The day after I was hospitalised for a suicide attempt the doctor denied me help because I showered that day and apparently that's not what mentally ill people do. I've been told I'm "slim and attractive" so I have no reason to be depressed. I've been on a 3 year waiting list only to never be seen. I've been told I can't get help for BPD because BPD isn't real. This does not only happen to me, this happens to many people who try to reach out. Society deems us "lazy" or "attention seeking" until it's too late.
The outrage about this site needs to be directed to the outrage that suicidal people lack support and are demonised by society. By banning suicide support forums and making peaceful methods inaccessible it is only forcing people into a darker place where suicide methods will be less peaceful and more likely to be violent (hanging, train, jumping etc).
If someone is suicidal they will find a way to do it, this site does not contribute to that or encourage it. I have been suicidal since I was 10 years old and I've accepted my fate, this site makes me feel more informed and understood.
The call for this site to be banned is just another way we are being misunderstood.

It's easier to try and stop a solution to a problem, then it is to fix a problem.

To them its stop suicide, to us its cure depression. Which seems easier?

Even though this site does cure my depression, and I apologize for those who it doesn't.

 

[Deleted member 14573]

I believe the driving force behind those petitions and accounts are grieving family members who place blame on the site members/owners.

Their goal is to change Section 230 so that forums like this can be shut down. This is going to be huge mountain for them to climb. Section 230 is the reason why service providers are not held liable for the content posted on their platforms and allows them to moderate. It's the reason why Facebook, Twitter, Reddit etc can host posts and ads, why Yelp can host reviews, etc. Without Section 230 the internet would be much more heavily censored and more expensive.

This does a good job of explaining why Section 230 is important: https://www.eff.org/issues/cda230/infographic

Those against Section 230 believe it's a way for Tech Companies or forums like this to get away with facilitating harmful content or misinformation.

But Section 230 reform will result in endangered freedom of speech on the internet.

I'm no lawyer, so feel free to correct me if I got something wrong.

Fixthe26 and many others want to make the internet a safer place for children and vulnerable members of society (so they say). My 2 cents is that the internet is a vast jungle that contains more than 1.2 million terabytes of data. You can learn just about anything, whether good or harmful. If you want to be safe on the internet, learn how to protect your identity, cover your digital footprints, monitor your child's activity. You can not expect the world to censor itself for you. I really do not mean this in a disrespectful way.

As for the issue of mental health, we are one example of the system's failures. It is such a complex topic and pervasive problem.

 

[Ghost2211]

Petitions to shut down the site and neglect the fact that a lot of us are still alive because of this community. Like many others I came here to learn how to die, but ended up staying because the site became a coping tool.

 

[NightmareTour]

It's easier for people to have a kneejerk reaction to something that makes them uncomfortable, sign a few petitions, and rant about it on a forum.

Making changes to the societal and systematic problems that bring us here, or even learning about and understanding those problems, actually takes effort and dedication. Most people aren't willing to put the effort in unless it impacts them directly. They just want a quick and easy way to feel better about themselves.

The world becomes much easier to get your head around once you understand that human beings are inherently selfish. People do things to feel good, so if they think they've done something good and that makes them feel good about themselves, it doesn't matter to them whether the change was actually positive for other people or not.

 

[Meditation guide]

People are so outraged by this website existing but are not outraged by the fact mental health support is appalling.

This site is the low hanging fruit that is easy to reach. Not much effort is required to be outraged in public about it.

 

[Leo]

One simple question to the people who are against this site and blaming for loss of their loved ones.

If u really love that much to your family / friend, why they are here instead of asking help from you people?

Suicide is really an ultimate decision, but it never happens suddenly (except few). One has to goes through lot of pain and suffering and after trying a lot to recover or make things better, but that never happens.

 

[shay23]

Thanks for the responses everyone and sorry to sound ignorant - I didn't mean to dismiss other issues not related to mental health, I just meant if we spoke out or tried to get help the support isn't good enough

 

[darkness falls]

Simple. They don't understand what it's like. Like most pro lifers they just don't get it. Their lives are so fulfilled that living an unfulfilled life is alien to them. So they rage and preach at anything that doesn't fit their bullshit mold of what life is supposed to be. I wish I was so blessed as to feel like life is just so great you'd never want to die. Must be nice.

 

[outofluck]

This post is so well written and said, thank you.

I personally believe that it's about the dominance hierarchy's need to always carefully find ways to blame the victim. If it doesn't do so, society at large would have to acknowledge all the systemic violence and other problems that it is founded on, which are plentiful.

It's easier to blame the victims suffering from mental illness as a result of the trauma of living in this society, than to change it. That requires acknowledging the system we live under and when one does, like I would be so many of us here do, one goes naturally insane and often becomes suicidal.

Hence, those who can't acknowledge reality often aren't actually trying to save us, they are desperately (and subconsciously) asking us to help them stay asleep and contribute to their own survival in the insane reality we are all stuck in. Not that they all have bad intentions, it is genuinely kind to want to prevent people from killing themselves. It's the only thing they can comprehend to do. Sort of putting out small fires for lack of power in putting out the massive shit fire that is the capitalist patriarchy.

 

[shay23]

This post is so well written and said, thank you.

I personally believe that it's about the dominance hierarchy's need to always carefully find ways to blame the victim. If it doesn't do so, society at large would have to acknowledge all the systemic violence and other problems that it is founded on, which are plentiful.

It's easier to blame the victims suffering from mental illness as a result of the trauma of living in this society, than to change it. That requires acknowledging the system we live under and when one does, like I would be so many of us here do, one goes naturally insane and often becomes suicidal.

Hence, those who can't acknowledge reality often aren't actually trying to save us, they are desperately (and subconsciously) asking us to help them stay asleep and contribute to their own survival in the insane reality we are all stuck in. Not that they all have bad intentions, it is genuinely kind to want to prevent people from killing themselves. It's the only thing they can comprehend to do. Sort of putting out small fires for lack of power in putting out the massive shit fire that is the capitalist patriarchy.

Thank you so much and thank you for sharing your response, it's very insightful and perceptive. You're so right too.

 

[muffin222]

This post is so well written and said, thank you.

I personally believe that it's about the dominance hierarchy's need to always carefully find ways to blame the victim. If it doesn't do so, society at large would have to acknowledge all the systemic violence and other problems that it is founded on, which are plentiful.

It's easier to blame the victims suffering from mental illness as a result of the trauma of living in this society, than to change it. That requires acknowledging the system we live under and when one does, like I would be so many of us here do, one goes naturally insane and often becomes suicidal.

Hence, those who can't acknowledge reality often aren't actually trying to save us, they are desperately (and subconsciously) asking us to help them stay asleep and contribute to their own survival in the insane reality we are all stuck in. Not that they all have bad intentions, it is genuinely kind to want to prevent people from killing themselves. It's the only thing they can comprehend to do. Sort of putting out small fires for lack of power in putting out the massive shit fire that is the capitalist patriarchy.

I appreciate this response, and I absolutely concur with everything you've said about victim blaming.

 

[shay23]

I appreciate this response, and I absolutely concur with everything you've said about victim blaming.

It's a great response!

 

[whywere]

Like I said in another post , it is: "EASY TO JUDGE, HARD TO UNDERSTAND" One trait of alot of humans is to judge and if anyone even looks at them, then they are mad. What goes around comes around. I wish those type would leave us alone period. Go pick on someone else. Walter

 

[trigzter]

Sorry if this was covered already but it's akin to banning the drug not treating the addicts. Trying to impose a short term solution to a long term problem