paredler
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- Jul 31, 2022
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Ummmmm not exactly lol, I mean, it's easier for me to explain my empathy towards people who seem to make wrong choices, but when I introduce the idea to other people, everyone calls me weak and lazy and dismisses this idea as stupid, People can't divorce from judgment to marry empathy.Three is a crowd! I am glad to see that I am not the only one here that believes in this. Do you find that it changes the way you interact with others?
I've had my own thoughts about how determinism would work for me, and I've only recently found Robert Sapolsky out through this video/conversation. I found his theory aligns well with how I've thought about it like the complexity and unpredictability of determinism and the consequences of it with guilt and responsibility.You are not, my friend. Huge Robert sapolsky fan here.
Actually, in a similar vein, I've been thinking of how it could work with how a person sees himself and their past actions. For example, an addict admonishing themself for relapsing, or an abuser that can't forgive themself for their past. When looked through a deterministic outlook, their responsibility can disappear and its associated emotions can too. The addict learns that it's just their brain going through its process and not a failure of will, or the abuser learns that what they've done is just what results from a myriad of factors that they should've addressed and have confronted; and in both cases, they both learn to forgive and better themselves.Do you find that it changes the way you interact with others?
I study it near religiously. It's more or less saved my life, gives me structure, removing arbitrary concepts like morality. Viewing reality instead from a detached analytical perspective.I'm a nutcase that believes in it too.
I've had my own thoughts about how determinism would work for me, and I've only recently found Robert Sapolsky out through this video/conversation. I found his theory aligns well with how I've thought about it like the complexity and unpredictability of determinism and the consequences of it with guilt and responsibility.
Actually, in a similar vein, I've been thinking of how it could work with how a person sees himself and their past actions. For example, an addict admonishing themself for relapsing, or an abuser that can't forgive themself for their past. When looked through a deterministic outlook, their responsibility can disappear and its associated emotions can too. The addict learns that it's just their brain going through its process and not a failure of will, or the abuser learns that what they've done is just what results from a myriad of factors that they should've addressed and have confronted; and in both cases, they both learn to forgive and better themselves.
I've had this passing thought that this hard determinism can be useful for like people in this site. Although, I'm just unsure how it'll be received by people and how they'll choose to interpret it. An uninformed interpretation could easily twist the two scenarios above such as: the addict is doomed to never recover because they don't have free will, or the abuser is horrified that what they've done is inherent to their nature/character and never forgives themselves. I think there's a degree of nuance to know about determinism before it can show its merits, while the risks associated with a bad reading could be disastrous, so I'm a bit hesitant to spread it especially considering my limited knowledge on it.
That's great to hear that determinism has facilitated you to do so. To me, it has helped me accept past failings and nudged me into a more cautious way of planning/thinking.I study it near religiously. It's more or less saved my life, gives me structure, removing arbitrary concepts like morality. Viewing reality instead from a detached analytical perspective.
Sent DMThat's great to hear that determinism has facilitated you to do so. To me, it has helped me accept past failings and nudged me into a more cautious way of planning/thinking.
Also, do you happen to know any books or media that discuss the implications of determinism in other fields? So far, I only know that Sapolsky's recent book has a section that imagines a society that wholly believes in determinism (which I haven't read yet). I'm quite curious what I'll find when I start looking at laws or theories with a determinist's lense.