Who else considers exit bag?

[Greenberg]

You do not need a reference for something so obvious...fluids flow from high pressure to low...with warm water, blood will not coagulate. You are welcome to test it for yourself. In fact, I would love for you to cite a reference of severing a femoral artery and not bleed out (exsanguination) in a bath. In regards to your surgeon, he obviously has not heard of a tourniquet...why do you think people die when they bleed out from a cut or gunshot wound.

My friend...as a new member, we welcome your contributions but do not be so presumptuous that other people are wrong and you are right. Incidentally, you show your naiveness and lack of life experiences by leaning so heavily on academics. And certainly do not assume that there are no other doctors here.

I hope you will find my suggestion helpful and that you chose not to start a longwinded argument thread here. If you choose to do so, you will simply be ignored. I do wish you the very best and hope that you find the answers that you are seeking by joining the website.

Greenberg

 

[Riomhaire1]

You do not need a reference for something so obvious...fluids flow from high pressure to low...with warm water, blood will not coagulate. You are welcome to test it for yourself. In fact, I would love for you to cite a reference of severing a femoral artery and not bleed out (exsanguination) in a bath. In regards to your surgeon, he obviously has not heard of a tourniquet...why do you think people die when they bleed out from a cut or gunshot wound.

My friend...as a new member, we welcome your contributions but do not be so presumptuous that other people are wrong and you are right. Incidentally, you show your naiveness and lack of life experiences by leaning so heavily on academics. And certainly do not assume that there are no other doctors here.

I hope you will find my suggestion helpful and that you chose not to start a longwinded argument thread here. If you choose to do so, you will simply be ignored. I do wish you the very best and hope that you find the answers that you are seeking by joining the website.

Greenberg

Your response is risible.
I write this for others reading this thread not you

You have no reference - no data - no source other than your own "assertion" that wrist cutting / warm bath can lead to death - or ever has in human history -- even once
( aside from hemophiliac deaths -- or Hollywood crap) -- never mind be a guaranteed outcome ...

Your mis-quoting what I wrote to make it the opposite of what I wrote - and then arguing against THAT - and the effort at a patronizing "we welcome" -- "my friend ..." as if you have some authority ( that you cannot demonstrate with even a single reference for arm injury exsanguination death) --- accomplishes nothing.

-- you do not have any factual source of any kind - for exsanguination death from any arm injury -- end of.

Re-read my post - I wrote you CAN bleed out from a femoral or carotid artery bleed -- as you know - and there are plenty of references to attest to this
--- just not from any arm cut artery -- EVER - warm bath or not - even for days

I rest my case.

Cutting your wrists will never lead to death -- just disability and pain.
Look elsewhere.

 

[Greenberg]

I am sorry that you feel that way. G
Incidentally, you have edited your prior post to what it was originally...

 

[Riomhaire1]

Where is the search button ? - ie to search this site for a given string like "exit bag" or " nitrogen" ?
All I can find is "Filter" - but that only allows picking thread author or other predefined categories and not a arbitrary user defined search term.
Is there ANY search capability here ?

thanks


Guess not ...

OK -- now there is a search bar on the top left ... suggestion --- put this in the FAQ for new members ...

 

[The Lonely]

Please provide a reference or a few references to your assertion - a published paper - or an autopsy report - anything. Thanks.
Surely should be so common - but I can't find a single one. Journal of ... page ...
I asked a hand surgeon about it - and he laughed - and said it is not possible to bleed to death though any arm artery cut - warm water bath or not - even if you amputate the entire arm all the way across with a saw.
He said Hollywood are responsible for so many lifelong destroyed irreparable nerve damaged painful cases of people now crippled for life - that never had any chance of bleeding out. He operates on them all the time.

- even cutting carotid or femoral artery if you can dig that deep with a scalpel - takes 10-20 min to bleed out
- but he said arteries in the arms are different and go into spasm and shut down to just a slow leak - and will never bleed out even over days in a bath.

Just provide the reference please - or will assume you don;t have one because it does not exist.
Thanks


---- and guess what -- no reference -- no source -- no reason to believe can bleed to death from wrist cutting --- because you can't.
End of.

Take it easy….

Even being poisoned with the most known/TOP reliable "thing" … one can take Several hours in order to get asleep like … (forever) (…)

And I'm being realistic here…
No fairy tales… no Hollywood either. :/

 

[Riomhaire1]

Take it easy….

Even being poisoned with the most known/TOP reliable "thing" … one can take Several hours in order to get asleep like … (forever) (…)

And I'm being realistic here…
No fairy tales… no Hollywood either. :/

Hi - am taking it easy - just not interested in solutions that are not actual solutions.
Cutting a carotid or femoral artery takes some really deep digging and a very sharp implement -- but will get the job done - as Carlin would say ...
--- if you can manage it - few people can. Probably fairly quick too once actually cut.

Cutting arms/wrists is a pointless and very painful and permanently disabling waste of time ( for suicide) as about 60,000 Americans find out every year according to the govnt report.
This myth that wrist cutting can lead to death should be eliminated. If you had experience with the misery of hand /arm nerve damage and unremitting pain that will never heal - then you might agree.
It is just tragic that so many people do this particular kind of painful disablement to themselves believing a myth. The wrist/arm is about the safest place you could find to cut - it will not kill you. Almost anywhere else probably will if you cut deep enough - and wait.

Poisoning with phenobarbital in Switzerland or Nembutal ( if you can somehow get it) takes a few minutes to 30 min - if you believe the published reports / books -- but there is no pain reported during this time.

As to ODing on Fentanyl - well that seems to take about 10 minutes or less - and is apparently not that pleasant - but not as bad as some things - when lungs stop working - Wooden Chest syndrome - if you can get the fentanyl - and know that you have got it. More likely end up in jail for years just for trying.
The doses are so minute that is impossible to "test" it.

Any other poisons - may take longer as you say - but they probably involve gastrointestinal distress if they are taking that long -- or liver damage / failure -- and that is a really gruesome way to go - I've seen that.

 

[insanedoomer]

Why do you think is hard? I saw that Nitrogen bottle are easy available on, for example, ebay

said it from my own opinion cause i can't buy it here in my country .

 

[CiproKilledMe]

Why do you think is hard? I saw that Nitrogen bottle are easy available on, for example, ebay

Aren't the tanks sold on eBay just empty tanks? I'd love to get my hands on a full one but I have to purchase online (can't do it in person).

 

[Riomhaire1]

said it from my own opinion cause i can't buy it here in my country .

Can you get Argon gas cylinders for welding ? They use it for electrical welders - as a cover gas.

 

[insanedoomer]

Can you get Argon gas cylinders for welding ? They use it for electrical welders - as a cover gas.

nah , idont have money , and the seller will need a certificate to proof the work

 

[fruit-loops]

Aren't the tanks sold on eBay just empty tanks? I'd love to get my hands on a full one but I have to purchase online (can't do it in person).

No, there are also full of gas

 

[CiproKilledMe]

No, there are also full of gas

Any way you could send me a link? All the ones I find on there seem to be empty :\ Thanks!

 

[Riomhaire1]

nah , idont have money , and the seller will need a certificate to proof the work

I don't understand the bit about " seller will need a certificate to proof the work" - what does this mean ?
Anyway -- if you don't have money -- then your options are very limited.

- Nembutal / phenobarbital -- painless -- but have to go to South America and buy yourself from a vet/animal doctor pharmacy -- or else go to Switzerland and pay $$ -- so that's out.
- exit bag / N2/He/Ar gas -- painless -- but costs a few hundred dollars for gas/regulator/flowmeter/tube / bag etc and need a place to put it all -- so that's out
- gun - shotgun or handgun cost a few hundred dollars at least - if can get bullets these days -- and only in US really --- so that's out
- only leaves hanging really - or maybe drowning -if you can't swim
- or maybe a drug OD if you can get it

 

[At_The_End]

I don;t think it is actually possible to die by wrist cutting - in the real world. Not the movies.
If you amputated your whole arm - and left it untreated - you would still not bleed to death.
Peripheral arteries close up and also when blood pressure reduces so does the blood flow.
Gangrene would get you first.
Cannot find any verified cases of death from wrist cutting by exsanguination-- not one autopsy report - just many reports of butchered but very alive disabled / in pain for life - people with "spaghetti wrist" ( actual medical reference term in their papers).

Surly you are not suggesting that my friend did not die by wrist cutting? Are you?

Please provide a reference or a few references to your assertion - a published paper - or an autopsy report - anything. Thanks.
Surely should be so common - but I can't find a single one. Journal of ... page ...
I asked a hand surgeon about it - and he laughed - and said it is not possible to bleed to death though any arm artery cut - warm water bath or not - even if you amputate the entire arm all the way across with a saw.
He said Hollywood are responsible for so many lifelong destroyed irreparable nerve damaged painful cases of people now crippled for life - that never had any chance of bleeding out. He operates on them all the time.

- even cutting carotid or femoral artery if you can dig that deep with a scalpel - takes 10-20 min to bleed out
- but he said arteries in the arms are different and go into spasm and shut down to just a slow leak - and will never bleed out even over days in a bath.

Just provide the reference please - or will assume you don;t have one because it does not exist.
Thanks


---- and guess what -- no reference -- no source -- no reason to believe can bleed to death from wrist cutting --- because you can't.
End of.

<<even cutting carotid or femoral artery if you can dig that deep with a scalpel - takes 10-20 min to bleed out>>

This information is categorically incorrect. Posting misinformation on this site is not only irresponsible but also shameful. Bleed out from a femoral puncture/cut is significantly less that 10 minutes.

 

[outrider567]

Actually stille trying to learn navigating .im like the most useless person in world.people talking there about their wish to use exit bag?

just Google 'Sanctioned Suicide Exit Bag Megathread'--There are 56 pages of it there

I gave up on his because it's tricky to manage te gas flow into the bag …

Requires knowledge about regulation the gas pressure in order not to be out of gas. Eg: if you don't manage how to regulate the right amount of gas and pressure which the gas leaves the cylinder it will end up sooner than expected = failure

Not mentionig getting the cylinder itself… Because the helium gas used to fill up party balloons and were avaible on eBay …as people started using for this porpoise, they are not being pure Helium as it would be required

Its quite simple---Just get a filled Nitrogen tank from WeldFabulous, their tanks contain 1000 to 3000 liters,way more than you need, impossible to run out of gas--125 cu ft is same as same as 3000 liters and you only need 600 liters at the most--Then get a Nitrogen regulator and a flowmeter--Flowmeter set at 15 liters per minute--clear plastic tubing(get many sizes to get the tightest fit)---Get a turkey plastic bag, a small cut put the tube in the bag, using duct tape both in and outside the bag to secure it--Get a child's terrycloth elastic headband to put around neck--That's it--For Stability, keep the Nitrogen tank inside the box, you don't want it tipping and crashing to the floor

 

[LifeIsAChore11]

just Google 'Sanctioned Suicide Exit Bag Megathread'--There are 56 pages of it there

Its quite simple---Just get a filled Nitrogen tank from WeldFabulous, their tanks contain 1000 to 3000 liters,way more than you need, impossible to run out of gas--125 cu ft is same as same as 3000 liters and you only need 600 liters at the most--Then get a Nitrogen regulator and a flowmeter--Flowmeter set at 15 liters per minute--clear plastic tubing(get many sizes to get the tightest fit)---Get a turkey plastic bag, a small cut put the tube in the bag, using duct tape both in and outside the bag to secure it--Get a child's terrycloth elastic headband to put around neck--That's it--For Stability, keep the Nitrogen tank inside the box, you don't want it tipping and crashing to the floor

it's easier said than done for those of us with no motorskills whatsoever. I wish someone would sell a headbag kit already made for this, i can take care of the tank.

 

[outrider567]

it's easier said than done for those of us with no motorskills whatsoever. I wish someone would sell a headbag kit already made for this, i can take care of the tank.

I agree, I inquired about that but its illegal to sell already-made Exit Bags--I watched the 'Making it with Chi the Exit Bag' which helps but I'm still confused how to attach the toggle. must watch it a few more times