Discussion Which persons life would you have wanted to live? (Public figures, friends, etc.)?

[Fadenself00]

Title says it all

 

[The Hermit]

Travis Fimmel - he seems like a chill, cool dude, was hot and fit for most of his life, got to be a Calvin Klein model when he was younger, doesn't seem to have had any major traumas.

 

[Lions303]

Floyd Patterson - One of the greatest and definitely the most underrated in all of history. A true gentleman at heart and really the epitome of a man. Went through hardships but always showed real class and elegance to all. A real hero <3

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

Kurt Kobain or Ronnie Mcnnut

 

[MissAbyss]

Kurt Kobain or Ronnie Mcnnut

I shouldn't laugh, but I can totally relate

 

[Pluto]

 

[Dejected 55]

Other people don't necessarily have it overall better. It might appear that way... they might not have a problem you have, but they may have some you don't or at least some you don't see. I'm alone. I'm jealous of people who aren't. But I don't want to trade lives with them. I might not want the rest of their life. I don't know.

I wouldn't want to trade lives... I just wish mine could be better.

 

[TBONTB]

Someone who had a long and secure retirement.

 

[MyShadow]

I wouldn't want to trade lives... I just wish mine could be better.

I would live my life, but minus the deep depression and the inevitable anxiety and PTSD that came with it.

 

[_Gollum_]

Obligatory "no one because I simply do not want to exist."

But if you forced my hand, I'd say an alternate universe version of myself, where the younger, prettier me, who was in the midst of the most beautiful friendship of her life and who was quickly levelling up in a sport that I now haven't practiced in 3 years, never developed anorexia.

 

[zizzou]

The version of myself who saved her, the version of myself who had her. I just want to go back to the night we met, do everything differently.

 

[Custos]

This

 

[Forever Sleep]

My mother's first miscarriage. I can't think of anyone living where I would want to 'sample' their life.

 

[Dejected 55]

My mother's first miscarriage. I can't think of anyone living where I would want to 'sample' their life.

Did you ever see the movie "Butterfly Effect"? I don't want to spoil it... it's a good movie... the first one, not the two derivative sequels... but anyway, on the home video version there were alternate endings. It is a time-travel movie of sorts where the guy keeps getting things wrong. One of the alternate endings that they decided was too bleak involved the main character going back in time to when he was in the womb and aborting himself so that he never existed and couldn't mess up anyone's lives. As bleak as the movie already is, that ending was pretty dark... but I think it hits home for a lot of people here.

 

[Forever Sleep]

Did you ever see the movie "Butterfly Effect"? I don't want to spoil it... it's a good movie... the first one, not the two derivative sequels... but anyway, on the home video version there were alternate endings. It is a time-travel movie of sorts where the guy keeps getting things wrong. One of the alternate endings that they decided was too bleak involved the main character going back in time to when he was in the womb and aborting himself so that he never existed and couldn't mess up anyone's lives. As bleak as the movie already is, that ending was pretty dark... but I think it hits home for a lot of people here.

I think I may have seen it. Or, at least had it on while I was working. I started watching it again the other day and, it felt familiar.

That part sounds similar to: 'It's a Wonderful Life'. Not that I've seen it but, it's been described to me that the main character wants to kill themselves and wishes they'd never been born and, an angel appears and shows them the consequences of that and, all the good they had done. I'm imagining it's the same- when the guy witnesses what life for others would have been like without him?

I don't entirely buy that though. That particular reality wouldn't be aware of any other so- those people couldn't 'miss' us. We never existed for them to know.

In my parents case- they went on to have me. So then- I suppose it's a moral quandary. Would I be willing to 'steal' my unborn sibling's dead place and leave some other poor soul to live my life instead? Am I that cruel? Maybe... After all, they wouldn't be me. They may have very slightly different genes that enabled them to cope better. My parents and everyone else wouldn't lose out either. They'd still get a baby. It just wouldn't be me.

A moral dilema there though. Who is more responsible if that person also ends up suicidal? Me? Because I knew what lie ahead of them? Or, my parents still- because there was enough evidence to predict it? Thinking about it. I'm probably not cruel enough to knowingly inflict this shit on someone else but then- my parents shouldn't have been either. (In my antinatilist view.)

That's all assuming our consciousness can 'jump' though- which I don't personally believe at all.

 

[LigottiIsRight]

I wouldn't mind having been born as some philosophy and science investigators that I know from social networks. They seem to have interesting lives and I respect their work.
But I won't stop thinking that not being born at all is the best case scenario, because although they seem to have decent lives right now, that could change in the future.

 

[whywere]

Sigmund Freud

Walter

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

Kurt Kobain or Ronnie Mcnnut

I meant only at the moment Ronnie mcnut pulled the trigger and exploded his own head because i haven't been able to do it. I would never want to spend a second living or existing in any form much less trapped in the body of a human which is an animal, a bag of 30 trillion cells , a brain that can suffer unending constant unbearable pain... and that's just the start of the horror

 

[FadingSnowFake]

Nobody else's. I just want to go back to the night I believe I f*cked this one up and make it right. If that is not an option, dead will be better.

 

[itsgone2]

Nobody else's. I just want to go back to the night I believe I f*cked this one up and make it right. If that is not an option, dead will be better.

Agree. So far most haven't given names of someone. I think many like us just want our own but with better choices.

 

[Dejected 55]

I think I may have seen it. Or, at least had it on while I was working. I started watching it again the other day and, it felt familiar.

That part sounds similar to: 'It's a Wonderful Life'. Not that I've seen it but, it's been described to me that the main character wants to kill themselves and wishes they'd never been born and, an angel appears and shows them the consequences of that and, all the good they had done. I'm imagining it's the same- when the guy witnesses what life for others would have been like without him?

I don't entirely buy that though. That particular reality wouldn't be aware of any other so- those people couldn't 'miss' us. We never existed for them to know.

You just exposed the problem I have with "It's a Wonderful Life" and nobody ever agrees with me.

The premise, as you note, there is... Dude is depressed over what his life has come to and thinks everyone will be better off without him and wants to kill himself at the bridge. Angel appears and shows him what everyone's life would be like IF he had never been born. Dude sees people he cares about struggling and he decides to live. But that is flawed logic.

The Angel shows him a world without dude entirely. Dude is depressed because of the effects he has had and thinks people's lives will improve without him. The Angel should have shown him the world where Dude jumps off the bridge and everyone has to get along after mourning him. The life completely devoid of him might be worse, as shown to him, because he may have at some point contributed good... but now, he is only contributing bad... and his absence now, after previously existing, might result in everyone's lives being better.

I ask... why didn't the Angel show him that reality? The one where Dude jumps off the bridge? Is it because the Angel knows life does get better once Dude jumps? I think about that a lot.

 

[mysticatedwine]

i wish i was an isopod

 

[Forever Sleep]

You just exposed the problem I have with "It's a Wonderful Life" and nobody ever agrees with me.

The premise, as you note, there is... Dude is depressed over what his life has come to and thinks everyone will be better off without him and wants to kill himself at the bridge. Angel appears and shows him what everyone's life would be like IF he had never been born. Dude sees people he cares about struggling and he decides to live. But that is flawed logic.

The Angel shows him a world without dude entirely. Dude is depressed because of the effects he has had and thinks people's lives will improve without him. The Angel should have shown him the world where Dude jumps off the bridge and everyone has to get along after mourning him. The life completely devoid of him might be worse, as shown to him, because he may have at some point contributed good... but now, he is only contributing bad... and his absence now, after previously existing, might result in everyone's lives being better.

I ask... why didn't the Angel show him that reality? The one where Dude jumps off the bridge? Is it because the Angel knows life does get better once Dude jumps? I think about that a lot.

I suppose realistically though, people's lives may well have gotten worse after he took his own life. Again, I haven't seen it so, don't know the details...

Just asked Google for a summary and it seems like it was money related- he worried he would go to jail for fraud and that by dying, the family would benefit from his life insurance.

Not all life insurance is paid out following a suicide- I believe. How could he be so sure his money problems wouldn't just pass on to his family? Plus, they may well have prefered him alive rather than the money!

You're right- it would make more sense to show him the aftermath of his suicide but, I doubt it would have been joyous! So- that may well have put him off too.

I imagine that's what's keeping many of us stuck here. The dread of what it could do to others.

Why didn't he realise what a positive impact he had while he was alive though? Did absolutely no one show their love and appreciation to him? So- finally having it revealed that all these people were in fact better off for his life- why did that help him out so much? It should have become clearer that most of the people in his life took him for granted!

If they didn't and he knew he was loved- why did it suddenly make a difference to be reminded of that? He presumably went to that bridge knowing his own history.

Did they angel conjure up the real reason he was so worried in the first place? The money? So- good news. Your life was meaningful. People loved you... and you're still going to jail.

Sorry OP for derailing your thread.

 

[Spite]

Maybe someone like Thomas Brodie-Sangster or Elliot Page.

If I'm not counting public figures and just trying to imagine the life in general that I dream of - I wish I was born and raised in Canada, maybe around Vancouver or Calgary. I love the cold weather and I'm very envious of anyone who was born in places in the world where it snows. Where I live it's almost always unbearably hot and it never snows.

I wish I had a very loving and supportive family, a friend group, and people online who support me. I wish I had a partner who I feel I could truly be myself around. I wish I was working a dream job, either doing professional animations or working somewhere in the film industry.

In my dream-come-true reality, I'm almost always happy, working a job I love, living in a part of the world I love, surrounded by people I love.

In this reality, my life is the exact opposite of that. I live a miserable, unfulfilling existence.