Which one is the safest knot for the anchor point for full hanging???

[Terrible_Life_99]

Which knot should i use for the anchor point its a wood beam that is rectangular. I read that the bowline can get open if the weight moves back and forth. So which knot is the safest one ?
I wanted to use this but it says that the knot will get tighter around the anchor so i was afraid the edges of the beam could destroy the rope and I could fall down.

 

[mychois]

If you aren't sure about the knot's advantages and disadvantages, why take risk of brain damage in case it fails?

 

[Terrible_Life_99]

Because I planned ctb now for a very long time and i have enough from this fucking world. I also think both knots would held perfectly but its ocd which tortures me to reconsider everything. I just want to die and I think therefore i should just do it.

 

[mychois]

I feel sorry for your illness and situation, I know some friends who are also constantly bothered by OCD. You really need to reach out for professional help. By the way, the knot doesn't work well on flat surfaces. Suffering from OCD sucks enough, but suffering from OCD with further brain damage sucks even more.
Wishing you peace.

 

[AreWeWinning]

I read that the bowline can get open if the weight moves back and forth.

Where did you read this? As far as I'm aware, it isn't true. The Bowline is a strong and secure knot.

It's true that the Bowline can work itself loose if there is no load on it and the rope wiggles around a lot. But it it's quite unrealistic in our case. Just make sure you leave a long enough tail and possibly add a stopper knot as well on the free end, and it should be fine.

If you really want to make the Bowline more secure, you can also tie a Bowline with a Yosemite Finish.

I wanted to use this but it says that the knot will get tighter around the anchor so i was afraid the edges of the beam could destroy the rope and I could fall down.

I don't think the edges cutting into the rope is an issue. It won't be sharp enough to cut the rope. Anyway, the rope will get tight around the top edge of the beam regardless of which knot you use. You can't avoid it.

 

[Terrible_Life_99]

Where did you read this? As far as I'm aware, it isn't true. The Bowline is a strong and secure knot.

It's true that the Bowline can work itself loose if there is no load on it and the rope wiggles around a lot. But it it's quite unrealistic in our case. Just make sure you leave a long enough tail and possibly add a stopper knot as well on the free end, and it should be fine.

If you really want to make the Bowline more secure, you can also tie a Bowline with a Yosemite Finish.



I don't think the edges cutting into the rope is an issue. It won't be sharp enough to cut the rope. Anyway, the rope will get tight around the top edge of the beam regardless of which knot you use. You can't avoid it.

"Using a bowline knot to hang a heavy load can be risky because of two main factors: dynamic load changes and the knot's structure.


The Problem with Dynamic Loads


A bowline is great for static loads, which means the weight is constant and not moving. However, when a load swings back and forth the tension on the rope constantly change. This is called a dynamic load.


• Load Cycling: The swinging motion causes the rope to alternately tighten and loosen. This repeated change in tension can cause the bowline to "walk" or slip, loosening its grip.


• Shock Loading: If the swinging motion is sudden or jerky, it can create a shock load that is much greater than the static weight. This puts immense stress on the knot, increasing the chance it will fail.


The Knot's Structural Weakness


The bowline's design, while strong under steady tension, has a few key features that make it vulnerable to dynamic loads:


• No Self-Locking Action: The bowline doesn't tighten on itself the way some other knots do. When the tension is released, the knot can loosen, making it susceptible to coming undone.


• Slippage: The bowline's simple design, while easy to tie and untie, can allow for slippage under the inconsistent stress of a moving load."