Where will be the safest place to be in when nuclear war or WW3 is happening?

[noname223]

I read libertarian billonaires count on New Zealand and the Antarctic. There will be their luxury apartments. But they wonder how to make their safeguards loyal if money is worthless (inancial collapse). Maybe they implant them chips which are able to give electroshocks. Maybe they share their wealth. A Marxist intellectual recommended them to make them their friends. Lol.

 

[Halfhourdays]

And where would the least safe places be?

 

[noname223]

And where would the least safe places be?

Maybe Eastern Ukraine?

 

[DarkRange55]

Read the whole thread…

Best Doomsday Bunker Locations

I know for many of you, you would not opt for shelter… but food for thought! Some of the US governments big bunkers are in: Blue Ridge Mountains (Mt. Weather, Raven Rock), Colorado Springs, (NORAD), Omaha (Nebraska), Groom Lake (Area 51), ect. Massive government bunkers on the west coast...

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[Forever Sleep]

Presumably standing next to one of our 'fearless' leaders. Pick any dictator/ president/ prime minister/ rich CEO you like- they'll likely make sure they aren't incinerated with the rest of us. I imagine avoiding capital cities would be wise too.

Would you actually want to survive a nuclear genocide though? Live underground for the rest of your life? Be pressured by the likes of Elon Musk to rebuild the population and move to Mars maybe? Doesn't sound at all appealing to me! I imagine life would become even more restrictive following a nuclear holocaust.

 

[Quietist]

I don't know if I'd want to be in any bunkers or camps with masses of strangers.

Whoever is in charge would control the survivors, and there might be internal chaos/challenges of authority/killings.

And in every apocalyptic show, movie, or game, the military-run camps and bunkers are some of the first places to be death traps.

The safest place would be in a decent-sized bunker of one's own making, with only their closest trusted family or allies among them.

Or if that's not possible, then try to remain behind in an abandoned neighborhood and/or town/city and scavenge for leftover supplies while holding up in a place like an office building or a hospital - something that is slightly labyrinthine with multiple floors and rooms (and a hospital would have plenty of medical equipment).

 

[AlTheObviousAlien]

New Zealand, Finland, Norway, Greenland, Scotland, Ireland, some of the Caribbean I assume like the Bahamas, Jamaica, Trinidad etc... I assume they all will stay the same way as they were before.

 

[Pluto]

 

[Silently Dying]

I don't think there will be a safe place. I believe it will be the end for everyone.

 

[TheHolySword]

Least and most safe? No thanks. I want the most middle safe.

 

[not-2-b-the-answer]

I will be outside waving a giant flag with a huge target on it....
Seriously.... I don't want to survive a Holocaust.... Life is horrible enough now.

 

[AlTheObviousAlien]

I will be outside waving a giant flag with a huge target on it....
Seriously.... I don't want to survive a Holocaust.... Life is horrible enough now.

Same.

 

[DarkRange55]

New Zealand, Finland, Norway, Greenland, Scotland, Ireland, some of the Caribbean I assume like the Bahamas, Jamaica, Trinidad etc... I assume they all will stay the same way as they were before.

• Finland - No chance of tsunamis really, no volcanic activity or major earthquake risk. plenty of fresh water. If the gulf stream turns, it will be damn cold during winters though. all those natural resources. I would be nervous about bordering Russia in the event of escalating political conflict. In case of traditional warfare, Finland could keep Russians at bay long enough to make an invasion not worth the cost. Their military reserves are large enough to withstand nearby Russian troops, their geography is their advantage and their arsenal is excellent for defensive warfare. Of course if Russia could use all of its military strength, they wouldn't have any chance but that probably would escalate the conflict to whole another level. Of course if Russia uses other methods such as tactical strikes to strategic targets (like their telecommunications network, power grid, power plants and so on), they wouldn't have much to do and we'd be screwed. Especially if this happens during the winter. with the arctic ice melting it will open new shipping routes and there will be accessibility to resources. Rising sea levels won't impact them that badly and earlier spring is good for farmers.
• Ireland is one of the safest places on Earth, probably. Some flooding and stormy weather sometimes but no earthquakes, tornadoes, dangerous animals, dangerous bugs or volcanoes. The worst thing that can happen to Ireland is a hurricane and they tend to be mild for the most part as people aren't killed. Ireland is neutral and has been neutral through 2 world wars, good track record of safety, although uncomfortably close to Britain, who are always involved. But Ireland is probably the best place in Europe – reasonable climate for growing food as well as upwind from all reasonable targets.Low population density so they have space to burn, sorry, to flood. No matter how much gets flooded they could still feed ourselves. Britain, too, I'd say. Unless, that is, the gulf stream changes course and they all freeze.
• The Norwegian skjærgård is littered with islands, each one with a sizable amount of cabins, frequently with their own water supply (wells), power (solar or wind is common), fishing equipment, boats and guns (Norway has one of Europe's highest amount of guns per capita). The sea has lots of fish, birds and seals so there would likely not be a shortage of food.
• NW Scotland would be good. Populations are small, it's quite remote so less chance of public unrest, as the climate warms up it'll become ever easier to grow crops, plenty of elevated land, you only need to be up 100 meters - if you're on the Eastern side of the mountains you'll be shielded from the worst of the storms. see a lot of military action here just because the sea up here is so active, right around the GIUK gap and so on. Only issues I can see with that is that a fair amount of NW Scotlands soil in the Highlands can be quite shallow and poor quality for crops (which is probably why sheep farming became a thing). Food insecurity would be my main concern with going home during such an event. Scotland is northern enough that, who wants to come to the sub-arctic? But it is a lot harder to be self-sufficient in a colder climate like Scotland (and if the Gulf stream stops, those glacial valleys in Scotland will have glaciers in them again). The South Pacific would tend to be very safe, but not a great place to restart an entire civilization (although New Zealand is probably big enough).
• @noname223 China v. USA would definitely spread to New Zealand or within New Zealand's sphere. WW2 covered most Islands in the pacific and was on the edge of Australia. New Zealand is not too far off. Another problem is that both Aus and NZ are part of the Five Eyes intelligence network, and so have specific targets on their backs from China, Russia, etc. NZ is considered the weakest link and is already targeted, to the extent that a lot of intelligence analysts see the country as a peon of China and want it cut from the alliance. Plus, if we're talking about disasters, NZ is basically a big fold in the Pacific ring of fire dotted by super volcanoes, prone to earthquakes, tsunamis, it's like Japan with less press coverage.
• The reason Greenland sucks (Morocco is also bad) is because the only way to get there is through 1 port, which is used very rarely
• Reasonable place. Good weather, easy to farm, mmm… maybe strategic value, no bears haha. Cat 3 & 4 hurricanes are't that bad. Cat 5's you run for the hills though. Fortunately they are pretty rare. The two biggest hazards would be pirates, and mega-tsunami (either from asteroid impact, or from a landslide in the Canary Islands). While in ordinary life a hurricane is a much more likely disaster than an asteroid strike, a doomsday shelter could be hurricane-proof.
• Etc.

I read libertarian billonaires count on New Zealand and the Antarctic. There will be their luxury apartments. But they wonder how to make their safeguards loyal if money is worthless (inancial collapse). Maybe they implant them chips which are able to give electroshocks. Maybe they share their wealth. A Marxist intellectual recommended them to make them their friends. Lol.

In the southern hemisphere, I would want a decent amount of rainfall. In the dryer parts of South America and Africa, most water sources are already claimed by people that might not want to share. South America east of the Andes is steaming jungle, and west of the Andes it is very dry until you get to quite high altitude. Upland Peru is very high altitude – the train to Cusco goes through a pass in the low range of mountains that is higher than the top of mount Rainier. Further south in South America are some quite nice areas. I really like the lakes region of Chile and Argentina. I was thinking specifically of the area around Bariloche, which is indeed on the mountainous border.
The southern tip of South America is pretty safe, but is not a pleasant place to live – cold, rainy and windy, and not an easy place to grow food.

My preference would be for the Or/Ca border, far enough inland to be safe from tsunamis.)
Btw thats Oregon/California

China’s Engagement In The Caribbean And The United States’ Response

Traditionally, the United States has held unrivaled influence over the Caribbean. However, during the past few decades, America has become complacent in its position of power and competing foreign policy priorities, and has enabled China to erode America’s “soft power” and dominance.

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And where would the least safe places be?

Israel might be ground zero for nuclear weapons. Iran/Israel is currently most worrying for a nuclear exchange.
A lot of Europe would be in the direct line of sight. Britain would be toast.
The larger cities in North America would be pretty fucked in a full scale nuclear exchange.
Sauce: FEMA (2024)
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[Winterreise]

It will be the end of the cryptocurrency that caused it
Well, I would be anywhere near my fucking phone

 

[DarkRange55]

 

[albert_camus]

Iceland?