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I once read the people who work in thinktanks were too dumb to make it in academia.

I have some possible answers for you.
- in academia
- on award lists
- CEOs of (tech) companies
- in groups like MENSA (high IQ society)
- global leaders
- leading activists
- powerful people in churches
- theologians
- monks
- successful writers
- philosophers
- people who accomplished nothing in their life because they cannot function in our societies. Some might end up homeless
- thinktanks
- intellectuals in general
- on reddit and 4chan (joke)
- billionaires
- maybe people who build rockets

What do you think?

My answer would probably be someone specialized in quantum physics (lol) when it is about raw intelligence. Best abstraction abilities and problem solving.
 
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Wall Street takes some of the best and brightest from math/engineering/physics/CS majors.

Where will one find the smartest individuals?
For the first one, I look in the mirror...
After that, it depends on what kind of smart. Book-smart and street-smart are very different.

I once read the people who work in thinktanks were too dumb to make it in academia.
Some also love money and/or power more than academic snobbery

I have some possible answers for you.
- in academia
- on award lists
- CEOs of (tech) companies
- in groups like MENSA (high IQ society)
- global leaders
- leading activists
- powerful people in churches
- theologians
- monks
- successful writers
- philosophers
- people who accomplished nothing in their life because they cannot function in our societies. Some might end up homeless
- thinktanks
- intellectuals in general

Most of the above have a few stars among a lot of moderately smart people, with some real idiots who think that they are the smartest mixed in.
 
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I will tell you a secret, in the mirror I find the smartest and most appealing individual I've ever seen in my life. I wish everyday that she would exist and I could cuddle with her to sleep and have her whisper in my ear???

Alas that day will never come.
 
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The US has a system of national laboratories which are effectively our secret university system. Long ago when I lived in New Mexico and had my failed business projects in the desert go bust (story for later), I took work at Las Alamos. I was actually down there a couple months ago (visiting family), they are currently expanding the highway and the lab.
 
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The US has a system of national laboratories which are effectively our secret university system. Long ago when I lived in New Mexico and had my failed business projects in the desert go bust (story for later), I took work at Las Alamos. I was actually down there a couple months ago (visiting family), they are currently expanding the highway and the lab.
This was a well-placed ad for your thread. If you disappear one day from this forum under mysterious circumstances we all will have the theory the government abducted you and forces you to work for them again without spilling all the tea though...
 
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Wall Street takes some of the best and brightest from math/engineering/physics/CS majors.


For the first one, I look in the mirror...
After that, it depends on what kind of smart. Book-smart and street-smart are very different.


Some also love money and/or power more than academic snobbery




Most of the above have a few stars among a lot of moderately smart people, with some real idiots who think that they are the smartest mixed in.
This (quasi)public forum may not be the best place to discuss it 🤷‍♀️… but I have a story growing up and feeling stupid around my mentors… 🤷‍♀️
Similar to the desert businesses story, I'm not sure how much people want to see me post on here. I've had mixed reactions and while I personally am not bothered, I try to be respectful of the feelings of other users. I know I'm only a guest/visitor here, or whatever you call it. Maybe I'll post more crazy stories to humanize Darkrange55 lol 😂 🤷‍♀️




Then again, it becomes apparent I'm not nearly as woke and smart as I portray. So let's keep that charade going. Lol jk 😉 😉
 
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Don't get it twisted... there are intelligent people and there are smart people... but they don't necessarily find themselves in the groups you list in the first post because they don't necessarily have the best social skills or even want to be in groups. A lot of the most intelligent people historically have been virtual hermits.

I've known a lot of dumb smart people... by which I mean, people who thought they were smart and lots of others thought they were smart, but they really were not that smart.

Smart people know a lot of things and may not be intelligent. Intelligent people may be myopic and not know a lot of different things. The two concepts can go together, but they don't have to... The key difference between a smart person and an intelligent person, when one only possesses one skill, is... a smart person tends to be limited to what they can learn specifically and in specific situations. An intelligent person can assimilate new information quickly and make leaps of logic to assess an unknown situation that he/she has not encountered before.

Smart people when I was in school would do well on tests they prepared for, but after that test the knowledge didn't always linger... they didn't really learn it as much as they could regurgitate it... and if you made small changes to the situation and it was not exactly how they learned in class? They did not perform well on those tests. Intelligent people might now branch out to wide areas of knowledge, but they can almost always assess a situation and figure it out even if it is their first time through that maze.

It's better to be intelligent than smart.

Truly smart and/or intelligent people tend to brag less. It doesn't interest them to do so. People who *think* they are smart/intelligent tend to brag more to prove it to themselves and others. Repeat it enough times and it must be true, right?

People who play chess get a reputation for being smart or intelligent... but that may not be the case. It's a game. Maybe it's a complex one... but there are complex other games that nobody gives a shit about... or modern video games that require a lot of practice and skill but nobody raves over them as if they are super smart. Chess isn't easy to be great at consistently... but being great at any particular game doesn't necessarily have anything to do with intelligence. It's just a game.

I.Q. is a funny thing. It's a measure of your intellectual age VS your physical age... so you kind of have to be measured young to find value... but try too young and kids don't cooperate... too old and where's the meaning? A 10 year old that has the apparent mind of a 30 year old seems intelligent... but a 40 year old that has the mind of a 60 year old... what does that even mean?

Also, I've met people who were measured to have high I.Q.'s that really were not that smart. They just happen to be good at preparing for tests.

Higher education doesn't mean you are intelligent or smart either. Most of the world's most important inventions still happen to have been invented, as well as famous discoveries, by people without higher education in the form of college degrees. I'm not against education... I'm just against limiting "valued" education as being only from universities. You could read the same books as someone who is in college and even if you prove you know the material better they somehow are valued over society with a degree. It makes no sense. We don't really value smart and intelligent people for what they bring... society tends to reward more the people who can navigate social circles and "wow" people whether they are smart or not.

Elon Musk is a great example... he has not done most of the things he gets credit for, but everyone thinks he is smart because he bought companies that were already doing impressive things. He has virtually nothing to do with anything his companies have done.

Steve Jobs is an interesting story because he clearly proved to be visionary and great at pinpointing what the public wants/needs and was a good salesman and idea man... but he was technically fairly inept. He was completely dependent on the Wozniaks of the world to bring his visions to life and those people don't get nearly the credit for the actual innovations that happened.

CEOs? There are a lot of dumb CEOs. Don't mistake position or pay for how smart someone is... There are smart ones, to be sure... but there are a lot of dumb ones... and many of the ones at the top get recycled to other companies. Plus, the actual creative work and intelligent inventing/discovering tends to happen many levels below those CEOs but you rarely hear of those folks.

In general, I tend to think the louder and flashier and more you hear about a person... the less likely they are to be "all that."
 
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Don't get it twisted... there are intelligent people and there are smart people... but they don't necessarily find themselves in the groups you list in the first post because they don't necessarily have the best social skills or even want to be in groups. A lot of the most intelligent people historically have been virtual hermits.

I've known a lot of dumb smart people... by which I mean, people who thought they were smart and lots of others thought they were smart, but they really were not that smart.

Smart people know a lot of things and may not be intelligent. Intelligent people may be myopic and not know a lot of different things. The two concepts can go together, but they don't have to... The key difference between a smart person and an intelligent person, when one only possesses one skill, is... a smart person tends to be limited to what they can learn specifically and in specific situations. An intelligent person can assimilate new information quickly and make leaps of logic to assess an unknown situation that he/she has not encountered before.

Smart people when I was in school would do well on tests they prepared for, but after that test the knowledge didn't always linger... they didn't really learn it as much as they could regurgitate it... and if you made small changes to the situation and it was not exactly how they learned in class? They did not perform well on those tests. Intelligent people might now branch out to wide areas of knowledge, but they can almost always assess a situation and figure it out even if it is their first time through that maze.

It's better to be intelligent than smart.

Truly smart and/or intelligent people tend to brag less. It doesn't interest them to do so. People who *think* they are smart/intelligent tend to brag more to prove it to themselves and others. Repeat it enough times and it must be true, right?

People who play chess get a reputation for being smart or intelligent... but that may not be the case. It's a game. Maybe it's a complex one... but there are complex other games that nobody gives a shit about... or modern video games that require a lot of practice and skill but nobody raves over them as if they are super smart. Chess isn't easy to be great at consistently... but being great at any particular game doesn't necessarily have anything to do with intelligence. It's just a game.

I.Q. is a funny thing. It's a measure of your intellectual age VS your physical age... so you kind of have to be measured young to find value... but try too young and kids don't cooperate... too old and where's the meaning? A 10 year old that has the apparent mind of a 30 year old seems intelligent... but a 40 year old that has the mind of a 60 year old... what does that even mean?

Also, I've met people who were measured to have high I.Q.'s that really were not that smart. They just happen to be good at preparing for tests.

Higher education doesn't mean you are intelligent or smart either. Most of the world's most important inventions still happen to have been invented, as well as famous discoveries, by people without higher education in the form of college degrees. I'm not against education... I'm just against limiting "valued" education as being only from universities. You could read the same books as someone who is in college and even if you prove you know the material better they somehow are valued over society with a degree. It makes no sense. We don't really value smart and intelligent people for what they bring... society tends to reward more the people who can navigate social circles and "wow" people whether they are smart or not.

Elon Musk is a great example... he has not done most of the things he gets credit for, but everyone thinks he is smart because he bought companies that were already doing impressive things. He has virtually nothing to do with anything his companies have done.

Steve Jobs is an interesting story because he clearly proved to be visionary and great at pinpointing what the public wants/needs and was a good salesman and idea man... but he was technically fairly inept. He was completely dependent on the Wozniaks of the world to bring his visions to life and those people don't get nearly the credit for the actual innovations that happened.

CEOs? There are a lot of dumb CEOs. Don't mistake position or pay for how smart someone is... There are smart ones, to be sure... but there are a lot of dumb ones... and many of the ones at the top get recycled to other companies. Plus, the actual creative work and intelligent inventing/discovering tends to happen many levels below those CEOs but you rarely hear of those folks.

In general, I tend to think the louder and flashier and more you hear about a person... the less likely they are to be "all that."
Like most skills, part is innate and part is experience. I know people who would never be good at a sport no matter how much they practice, and others who seem to be good at anything they try and become masters through practice.

I have a friend/old co-worker. He has been in 1,000's of situations. Half the time maybe he knows the issue and the solution immediately or even before going in. And the other half of the time, he may not know going in but he is confident that he can figure it out. It's better to know how to figure out something you don't know than it is to know everything because nobody will never know everything. Julian is a good engineer because he thinks his way through a problem even if it takes him time.


I like the cut of your jib, friend 🥞
 
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This (quasi)public forum may not be the best place to discuss it 🤷‍♀️… but I have a story growing up and feeling stupid around my mentors… 🤷‍♀️
Similar to the desert businesses story, I'm not sure how much people want to see me post on here. I've had mixed reactions and while I personally am not bothered, I try to be respectful of the feelings of other users. I know I'm only a guest/visitor here, or whatever you call it. Maybe I'll post more crazy stories to humanize Darkrange55 lol 😂 🤷‍♀️




Then again, it becomes apparent I'm not nearly as woke and smart as I portray. So let's keep that charade going. Lol jk 😉 😉
The problem is people on the internet often don't appreciate quality. I can make a random thread with speculations about the life of onlyfan models and people will click on it because we are programmed by our most primitive instinct.

You can find gems here and there in this forum. But in many cases barely anyone clicked on it and read it fully.

But I am not sure. Sometimes someone starts a conversation with me and tells me he or she is following my stories since years even though I never heard of them and thought noone would actually read all the shit I blast onto the internet.

The thing is the fact barely anyone reacts to your threads is a fed operation. It should make you feel safe to tell us All your dirty secrets. But in reality we are all bots and the government is testing you whether you are trustworthy or not... If we all made a fuss about your stories and they would massively blow up this would disincentivize you to tell your full story.
 
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Exactly! When I worked at places where I was viewing resumes for hiring consideration... most around me were looking for specific experience with specific applications. Every company does things their own way and applications can be learned. IF you are good at your job you should be able to wade in and get the feel of the company and learn the applications. So *I* always looked for resumes that had a variety of experiences that seemed to indicate adaptability and when talking to people I found more value with the person who could learn and adapt quickly and had intuitive skills... other folks, and often the people making the final decisions, tended to look for specifics and we ended up hiring a lot of people that didn't work out because when the rubber hit the road, they could not adapt.
 
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My answer would be university student labs.

These are lead by professors but comprises of effectively just students. These teams do projects/competitions/research together, and those who stay for the long term are always successful. Very easily joinable and is the work environment that sets a student up for success.

These are the "smart" individual that are accessible and you can work with/join them.
 
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The thing is the fact barely anyone reacts to your threads is a fed operation. It should make you feel safe to tell us All your dirty secrets. But in reality we are all bots and the government is testing you whether you are trustworthy or not... If we all made a fuss about your stories and they would massively blow up this would disincentivize you to tell your full story.
noname223, I greatly respect you and your passionate contributions; but I invite you to entertain a highly likely possibility. What if there are no replies, simply due to not that many people seeing a post and replying? It's a likely and simple explanation, that requires fewer assumptions. Thank you for your contributions.
 
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I post a lot... and I respond a lot... but I don't see every new post that gets made and I don't respond to every one I see. IF I see one and I connect to it, I post. If I feel like I have something to add, I post. But there are also some topics that, frankly, I've learned to stay away from because there are people who will descend on you if you have a differing opinion than them and then I regret getting involved at all. It is by far the minority on here that do these things, but it happens enough that it turns me away from posting on a lot of topics that I've seen how things devolve and how quickly. I finally learned to try and stay away from where I'm not welcomed. IF I have any doubts, I stay out of those topics even if I otherwise think I have something to say.

And, to be fair... some topics come up over and over... and after a while I feel like I don't need to respond the exact same way to every time the same topic comes up. Sometimes you'll even see multiple people start a thread on the same topic in the same day... definitely multiple times in the same week. It doesn't help matters that the search function isn't available to new users... so lots of stuff gets asked over and over by new users whom you can't direct them to search for certain keywords because they literally have no choice but to ask because until they post enough they don't have access to search.

And... some days I just am so down, depressed, miserable, that it's all I can do to come on here and read... and I don't have the energy to post those days... and some days I don't even have the energy to sign on... and I'll miss posts that don't get much activity because they don't keep bubbling up to the top and you only get 4 pages of new posts so if you miss a day or two, a lot of stuff you can literally never know was there.
 
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@noname223 there are people that have existed, mathematical geniuses that saw numbers in terms of colors and were able to do extremely complex calculations off the top of their head that would take the rest of us a calculator to do. But thats only because they perceived it differently.


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I think I've said this on here before but, I am highly skeptical that aerospace companies have fundamental physics knowledge not shared with the academic world. There certainly is, however, materials science/knowledge which involves topological physics.
For practical applications, the story is very different! The boundary between these is things like high-temperature cuprate superconductors, which IBM had for a short while (probably while filing patents) before releasing it to the academic world.


Because the government is so leaky, they outsource to private industry to guard secret facilities with secret projects — SunkWorks (Lockheed Martin).
I was very fortunate and got to meet Steve Justice, he was director of advanced programs at the Skunk Works and the Skunk Works are who built the famous secret bases you hear about, the U-2 spy plane, the SR-71 Blackbird, the F-117 stealth fighter and all that kind of stuff. He literally was in charge of all the advanced programs

I mean, we'll say someone is a talented engineer for example, since that title seems to carry a level of prestige.
Finance and Insurance are big on engineers because of their math heavy background (and ability to problem solve and apply mathematical/statistical principles).
Just as many Mathematicians, Statisticians, and CompSci/Programmers (heavy Data Mining, HFT, and AI) go into Finance and Insurance as well. They don't all just become high school math teachers. Actuarial science is a big field for that kind of math background.
There are quant traders or quantitative traders, which I've talked about my experiences on here before. These are guys with rocket scientist IQ's who decided to make money instead of withering away in academia. Basically these guys work for banks or hedge funds and they build complex algorithms to arbitrage tiny price discrepancies.

But I've said before on this site, I think a lot of us became (formally) engineers because we like to create and add value to the world. Manipulating abstract or subtle market movements may seem very unfulfilling, even disruptive to some. But then again there are those among us that design and build nuclear weapons.

I wish I could say the CIA but it's definitely a lot of bureaucratic desk jockey jerk offs. That said, the alphabet soup intelligence agencies do heavily recruit from the ivy league universities. -wink, wink, nudge, nudge, my German friend-

There is a perceived buffoonery thats attached to some level of government because there's a lot of people in government that are fucking idiots. Like there's a lot of people that work at UPS and DMV that are fing idiots. But if you get to the highest levels of the organization, they know what they're doing. I mean if you're gonna ascend to the highest levels of the CIA or the NSA you're gonna probably be brilliant. What are the odds that you're not? You're gonna have a deep understanding of whats going on of foreign policy and how to manipulate things and intelligence.


What took people years to research for a PhD paper can now be researched in days or weeks, if that.

I thought 🇩🇪 would appreciate this. My friend introduced me to his cousin who has dual PhD's in mathematical statistics and for his thesis he rewrote all the math books for all the grades of the public schools in CA. So he makes bank working for the government in CA writing math books. His wife has a PhD in chemical mathematics so she does all the pharmacy chemical stats for a big pharmaceutical company. But do you know what he did as a job through his PhD and masters studies? He was a dishwasher and he absolutely loved it because he could just be in his own head and put on headphones. But would you have judged him at that time based solely on his occupation?
I know someone who sold his company for $2 billion but never went to school. Is that dumb luck?


A PhD in bullshit - the liberal arts education was designed for aristocrats to have something to talk about at parties and to help rule the vast the majority of people. Today, unless you're pursuing academia, that advanced degree is not the best use of your time. At least back in the day wealthy people's kids would study liberal arts (knowledge for the sake of knowledge) for it was aristocratic to separate yourself from the common man. Largely legacy students. Then since you didn't have to work you'd sit around all day with your wealthy friends discussing history and politics and philosophy. Even now sometimes its just about having the piece of paper on your wall. Its a signal. Its also largely about networking. If you went there they don't care what you studied. It shows your smart and connected. I read a study than even today wealthy children tend to study liberal arts whereas other choice engineering, math, science, business, ect.
Then again, my friend's cousins made hundreds of millions on Wall Street using advanced water propulsion breakthrough for trading long ago and they were English and history majors.

I mean, what sort of intelligence are you referring to?

Different intelligences, like mental. You have physical, like Tiger Woods is an amazing golfer. You have emotional intelligence, they call it EQ. And then you also have spiritual intelligence. And the difference between mental and spiritual is mental is two and spiritual is one. Someone can be a genius musically like with the piano or a composer, etc. artistic genius like cinema or painting.

All coins have three sides. There's no such thing as a one sided coin. So when somebody takes sides they're ignorant because they don't see the other side. There's heads, tails and the edge. Intelligence occurs when you stand on the edge.





Hmm… maybe the answer you want is the most high-level esoteric subject/group? Many branches of physics I can tell you from university research - things like M Theory and QFT and when you start getting to these sorts of areas the mathematics become just so high-level that very few people can actually conduct research and I've mentioned this on here before and I always get pushback on the multiverse hypothesis but we're straying from the point here…

Maybe you want a polymath? The phrase "the last man to know everything" is most commonly associated with Thomas Young (1773–1829), a British polymath. There was just less stuff to know back then. Today the market rewards you for being a specialist and given the increasing complexity, you almost need to be.
 
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For what it's worth... on the Engineering front... When I was in college pursuing a degree in Engineering... Electrical Engineering... I was frustrated by the method of teaching they insisted upon us.

We were taught to not care about what was inside the black box... only to learn what inputs resulted in what outputs... but don't worry about the black box contents or what happened in there. I rebelled. I said I thought knowing how the black box worked made everything else make much more sense... plus, who was going to be designing the black boxes if it wasn't Engineers? I was repeatedly told not to worry about the black box... but the only way that works is if you just memorize input A = Output X, input B = Output Y... and so forth... and not only was it boring, and much more difficult than actually learning how things worked... it seemed to be antithetical to everything I thought Engineering was supposed to be.
 
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I think intelligent people are quieter because I don't see a reason for someone to demonstrate intelligence. The person would be bombarded with demands, would always be expected to perform due to others' expectations. I believe intelligent people pretend to be uninteresting to stay at peace, doing only what's necessary without being bothered or having someone on their back... But it's just an opinion. I'd like to see what a truly intelligent person would actually say.
 

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