Discussion When should suicide prevention should be used?

[SpiderLink]

I feel for me at least, suicide prevention should be used for those that haven't received help. I think suicide prevention can be used in a different approach, some times people make it seem like it's a bad thing, when in fact, I find it's just something sad, but understandable. I think there should be more understanding instead of "don't kill yourself, you have so much to live for" it's very vague too, because it's not being specific as to why. And even when people say why, it's just "you're loved" etc. I just feel it's not as empathetic as it should be, there should be first understanding because throwing these cards (quotes) at the person. When some may know it's true, and some don't. People seem more empathetic towards animals suffering, or physically suffering. People seem to put more time into those types of things, instead of those with in mental pain. When it should be all suffering…. I also feel those who haven't dealt with themselves, like mental illness or serious thoughts (or attempts) to hurt themselves shouldn't say these types of things, because they haven't experienced it. What are your opinions on it?

 

[FuneralCry]

Never, suicide prevention shouldn't exist. Suicide is a personal choice rather than something to be prevented and it should be viewed in such a way. Preventing suicide is just prolonging suffering and I don't get the whole idea of preventing people from death as we are all just waiting around to die anyway, there's no point to existing, if people want to die then they should be able to and it's not anybody else's place to try and interfere in that. I think that wanting suicide is a logical response to existing here and being aware of how truly futile and harmful existing is, wanting to die isn't an "illness".

 

[Praestat_Mori]

I agree with @FuneralCry. Sucide prevention should never be an option because it's a personal decision, and this decision is not made from one minute to the other. It's sometimes a process that takes many years for someone to finally decide that CTB is the one and only option. And this choice should be fully respected by the society.

Yes it's true animals are relieved from their suffering so much easier than humans. Humans cause their conspecifics so much agony and pain by preventing them from performing their own will.

 

[woh6]

Never, I don't see a point. If your suffering has gotten to the point you're about to end your life, then you should be able to. Like you said, suicide prevention isn't helpful anyways and it would just prolong the person's suffering.

 

[Ambivalent1]

Neuralink brain chip will redirect suicidal thoughts to happy thoughts. Suicide will be impossible

 

[Forever Sleep]

During a murder- suicide plot or if their suicide will harm others.

Asides from that- it's difficult. If I saw someone about to jump, I might feel like I ought to try and talk to them at least. I struggle with that because I know how hypocritical that sounds. It wouldn't be to be to say: 'Don't do it!' though- it would be more of a 'Do you want to talk?' I think everyone deserves to be offered support but it shouldn't be forced upon them. I don't know though- it's a really difficult subject.

On the one hand- it's pretty calous to just watch someone top themselves without showing sadness and concern for them. I think suicide is so lonely. Some people do actually want to just have someone to talk to I expect. I think I read an article about someone who patrolled a bridge and she said some people seemed grateful to talk. On the other hand though- it's pretty demeaning to effectively be questioning the biggest decision of their life. I don't think I'd appreciate someone trying to stop me- or maybe even just trying to talk to me. So yeah- I just really don't know to be honest. I expect that's why a lot of suicides happen in private- with less risk of intervention.

 

[willitpass]

I think it should be something that is open to everyone but not forced upon them. Some people genuinely do just need someone to compassionate and listen to them in order to pull them up from whatever hole they're in, and life genuinely does look better for them after. They just need someone to reach out and say "hey I'm here to listen if you want it". But it should not be forced down people's throats, especially if they have been struggling for years and have yet to get better from treatment. I think saying it should never be used is a very extreme way of thinking, some people do want to get better and live a life, they just have never been shown compassion enough to live. And if someone wants to get better, they should have resources available, that they are able to reach out to.

 

[SilentSadness]

I see suicide prevention as counterintuitive, after all if we turned it around and said "life prevention" for people unlikely to recover it would be seen as nonsense. I see death as a fundamental right and anyone who doesn't have it is a slave to their existence. If life is so bad that people are leaving voluntarily, then preventing suicide doesn't address the problem.

 

[SpiderLink]

Never, suicide prevention shouldn't exist. Suicide is a personal choice rather than something to be prevented and it should be viewed in such a way. Preventing suicide is just prolonging suffering and I don't get the whole idea of preventing people from death as we are all just waiting around to die anyway, there's no point to existing, if people want to die then they should be able to and it's not anybody else's place to try and interfere in that. I think that wanting suicide is a logical response to existing here and being aware of how truly futile and harmful existing is, wanting to die isn't an "illness".

Here's the thing tho, and I agree with u, but some people recover. Not saying everyone does, take Kevin Hines for an example, he thought he had to die, he jumped off the Golden Gate Bridge. It really depends on the situation imo

Never, I don't see a point. If your suffering has gotten to the point you're about to end your life, then you should be able to. Like you said, suicide prevention isn't helpful anyways and it would just prolong the person's suffering.

Fair

During a murder- suicide plot or if their suicide will harm others.

Asides from that- it's difficult. If I saw someone about to jump, I might feel like I ought to try and talk to them at least. I struggle with that because I know how hypocritical that sounds. It wouldn't be to be to say: 'Don't do it!' though- it would be more of a 'Do you want to talk?' I think everyone deserves to be offered support but it shouldn't be forced upon them. I don't know though- it's a really difficult subject.

On the one hand- it's pretty calous to just watch someone top themselves without showing sadness and concern for them. I think suicide is so lonely. Some people do actually want to just have someone to talk to I expect. I think I read an article about someone who patrolled a bridge and she said some people seemed grateful to talk. On the other hand though- it's pretty demeaning to effectively be questioning the biggest decision of their life. I don't think I'd appreciate someone trying to stop me- or maybe even just trying to talk to me. So yeah- I just really don't know to be honest. I expect that's why a lot of suicides happen in private- with less risk of intervention.

Yeah, I agree. It really depends on the person, personally for me, I want someone to understand and I just want my pain to end. No one really ever seems to actually listen to me, I don't want words of hope. If I had to choose between suicide or my pain ending, I'd choose my pain ending. But I doubt I can heal, or even start to heal.

I think it should be something that is open to everyone but not forced upon them. Some people genuinely do just need someone to compassionate and listen to them in order to pull them up from whatever hole they're in, and life genuinely does look better for them after. They just need someone to reach out and say "hey I'm here to listen if you want it". But it should not be forced down people's throats, especially if they have been struggling for years and have yet to get better from treatment. I think saying it should never be used is a very extreme way of thinking, some people do want to get better and live a life, they just have never been shown compassion enough to live. And if someone wants to get better, they should have resources available, that they are able to reach out to.

100% agreed!!

I see suicide prevention as counterintuitive, after all if we turned it around and said "life prevention" for people unlikely to recover it would be seen as nonsense. I see death as a fundamental right and anyone who doesn't have it is a slave to their existence. If life is so bad that people are leaving voluntarily, then preventing suicide doesn't address the problem.

I get u. I think the mental health system should be better, and not as many people seem to focus on that compared to suicide prevention.

 

[feels_like_rain]

I think the whole mental health system needs to improve and more help should be available. I also hate the term "suicide prevention" - the goal shouldn't be to prevent the suicide itself, the goal should be to offer better help to anyone who wants it, so that they no longer want to commit suicide. We need to focus on treating the symptoms.

 

[isitjustme]

I have mixed feelings about it to be honest. It's the one topic I can read diametrically opposed views about and agree with all of them. In principle I agree with their strategies, they are just fine.

The one that seems to rub me the wrong way is the reduction of lethal means.

Seems fine in principle but has anyone stopped to calculate how many people who cannot find a safe way of ctb-ing end up causing themselves even greater harm.

If they added something like accessible and professional assistance with ctb, and if their other efforts were only on-demand and not imposed on others out of their misguided, saviour-complex-riddled, judgemental self-righteousness, then I don't think anyone would have any issues with suicide prevention. Then and only then would I be able to see it as an honest and selfless effort on their part.

 

[SpiderLink]

I think the whole mental health system needs to improve and more help should be available. I also hate the term "suicide prevention" - the goal shouldn't be to prevent the suicide itself, the goal should be to offer better help to anyone who wants it, so that they no longer want to commit suicide. We need to focus on treating the symptoms.

Agreed

 

[cami]

i dont think it should be prevented, but i think other options should be presented to people. unfortunately the system is so shit that these options aren't always available or done ethically and efficiently. they should be able to make their own choice in the end though, as long as they're 18 and above.

 

[SpiderLink]

i dont think it should be prevented, but i think other options should be presented to people. unfortunately the system is so shit that these options aren't always available or done ethically and efficiently. they should be able to make their own choice in the end though, as long as they're 18 and above.

Yeah

 

[XIII]

I think the goal of suicide prevention shouldn't be stopping suicide altogether, but rather an approach of "Are you sure you want to die now? Don't you want to tie up any loose ends?"
This could help a lot of people with loved ones get closure before the deed is done, or maybe the suicidal person could reconsider during the "loose ends" part. But this isn't possible with the current state of society.

 

[SpiderLink]

I think the goal of suicide prevention shouldn't be stopping suicide altogether, but rather an approach of "Are you sure you want to die now? Don't you want to tie up any loose ends?"
This could help a lot of people with loved ones get closure before the deed is done, or maybe the suicidal person could reconsider during the "loose ends" part. But this isn't possible with the current state of society.

yeah