Discussion Whats wrong with insulin?

[SweetSpot086]

The PPH says its impossible to deliver a lethal dose with a subcutaneous injection, doesn't explain why...and, what about IVs...they say you need 20 0.5ml syringes...are, IVs hard? but heroin addicts do it all the time...

 

[BeyondGoodNEvil]

nothing wrong with using insulin you just dont wont to inject it via subcutaneous fat itll take way longer to kick in and the bioavailability is shit so you need alot of insulin and through iv it takes 5 - 15 mins so go that route.injection arent painfully as long you use a small needle

 

[SweetSpot086]

nothing wrong with using insulin you just dont wont to inject it via subcutaneous fat itll take way longer to kick in and the bioavailability is shit so you need alot of insulin and through iv it takes 5 - 15 mins so go that route.injection arent painfully as long you use a small needle

So, you think its a good method if I do IV?

 

[BeyondGoodNEvil]

yeah definitely with insulin

 

[checkouttime]

I used to weightlifting's, i had heard about its potency and that it could be very dangerous and easy to fall into a coma through going 'hypo'. I never used it but, decided last year to try to use it to CTB. I didn't research it, but from what i had read i expected it to be lethal stuff. I injected a full 300iu pen and went to sleep, as you can see i woke up!!! i had the 'munchies' and craved sugar a bit. I think it may have been out of date, i had been drinking(cider) and using cocaine, i was mistaken it would work!!

So don't follow my lead lol i think its 1000iu recommended in the PPH. I was pretty disappointed as i was scared shit of the stuff when i used to weight train, and nothing happened at all. like i said though it may have been down to many factors. I did expect to fall asleep and go into a coma. I guess research is the key!!!

 

[SweetSpot086]

I used to weightlifting's, i had heard about its potency and that it could be very dangerous and easy to fall into a coma through going 'hypo'. I never used it but, decided last year to try to use it to CTB. I didn't research it, but from what i had read i expected it to be lethal stuff. I injected a full 300iu pen and went to sleep, as you can see i woke up!!! i had the 'munchies' and craved sugar a bit. I think it may have been out of date, i had been drinking(cider) and using cocaine, i was mistaken it would work!!

So don't follow my lead lol i think its 1000iu recommended in the PPH. I was pretty disappointed as i was scared shit of the stuff when i used to weight train, and nothing happened at all. like i said though it may have been down to many factors. I did expect to fall asleep and go into a coma. I guess research is the key!!!

300iu is not lethal and, you used a sub-cutaneous injection...probably thats why it didnt work...

I plan on using, IVs...but, I don't know...PPH says 20 injections are required...wont I go into a coma before I am finished injecting all of them? I think, it would only work as an assisted suicde.

 

[checkouttime]

300iu is not lethal and, you used a sub-cutaneous injection...probably thats why it didnt work...

I plan on using, IVs...but, I don't know...PPH says 20 injections are required...wont I go into a coma before I am finished injecting all of them? I think, it would only work as an assisted suicde.

yeah i sort of realised all that afterwards!!!! it was a comedy of errors to be fair. I think it mentions 1000iu in the pph as a lethal dose. good idea with the IV though. Its definitely a lethal method, going 'hypo' is a very dangerous thing, I did read alot about it, at the time it wasn't for CTB reasons though!!!!

I'm clearly not an expert, and i think the only reason the PPH questions it is down to it being hard to administer the amount and men, etc. It only talk about this method in the theory of having to inject yourself. seen as you have TOTALLY eradicated that part with the IV, i'd guess it will be quick, peaceful and painless.

can i just ask you a question. so when i was thinking about using this stuff bodybuilding. it was mentioned that say using 10iu you had to be careful? a person on a forum reported nearly going'hypo'. would that person not have fell into a coma and died? just with you saying 300iu isn't lethal, I'm surprised as it was made out to be so dangerous to use at the time i was reading about it!!

 

[SweetSpot086]

yeah i sort of realised all that afterwards!!!! it was a comedy of errors to be fair. I think it mentions 1000iu in the pph as a lethal dose. good idea with the IV though. Its definitely a lethal method, going 'hypo' is a very dangerous thing, I did read alot about it, at the time it wasn't for CTB reasons though!!!!

I'm clearly not an expert, and i think the only reason the PPH questions it is down to it being hard to administer the amount and men, etc. It only talk about this method in the theory of having to inject yourself. seen as you have TOTALLY eradicated that part with the IV, i'd guess it will be quick, peaceful and painless.

can i just ask you a question. so when i was thinking about using this stuff bodybuilding. it was mentioned that say using 10iu you had to be careful? a person on a forum reported nearly going'hypo'. would that person not have fell into a coma and died? just with you saying 300iu isn't lethal, I'm surprised as it was made out to be so dangerous to use at the time i was reading about it!!

By dangerous, I assume they don't necessarily mean death...but, other complication of low blood glucose level..such as tissue damage...and, also I think, PPH overestimates the amount of lethal dosage...because, they dont have all the information, individual sensitivty, hepatic/kidney function, body weight is a strong determinant of lethal dose required...also, mode of administration, there's a difference between 300iu IM and IV...its also genetics, human body works in mysterious ways...I have heard of people dying with a way way less dose of amitriptyline, than as advised in the PPH...and, others making a complete recovery after massive overdoses..

But, I think, 1000iu insulin IV is fairly lethal, the only problem is administering the complete dose before falling into a coma.

 

[checkouttime]

By dangerous, I assume they don't necessarily mean death...but, other complication of low blood glucose level..such as tissue damage...and, also I think, PPH overestimates the amount of lethal dosage...because, they dont have all the information, individual sensitivty, hepatic/kidney function, body weight is a strong determinant of lethal dose required...also, mode of administration, there's a difference between 300iu IM and IV...its also genetics, human body works in mysterious ways...I have heard of people dying with a way way less dose of amitriptyline, than as advised in the PPH...and, others making a complete recovery after massive overdoses..

But, I think, 1000iu insulin IV is fairly lethal, the only problem is administering the complete dose before falling into a coma.

The pph are discussing the method in a way of injecting it, Obviously mentioning the problem of trying to achieve this would be hard, but like you mentioned IV is completely different. and also as you mentioned each person if different , i totally agree.

honestly i really though from what i used to read that people were taking the daily dose( i think it was about 10iu) and falling into coma's, it was made out like that anyway. maybe they were all pro lifers posting, scaremongering lol.

 

[nonbinary]

for someone without diabetes, 1000 units of insulin would probably finish you off. given, you would have to be very quick about it. it also depends on what kind of insulin you use.

source: I'm a diabetic

 

[SweetSpot086]

for someone without diabetes, 1000 units of insulin would probably finish you off. given, you would have to be very quick about it. it also depends on what kind of insulin you use.

source: I'm a diabetic

Is there a way to administer such a big dose IV? Is there a syringe big enough? I am sorry, I know nothing about syringes and drug administration...I don't know what CC and IU are...I just read the PPeH and they say, 20 syringes...I would go into a coma long before I can get to 20..

 

[checkouttime]

Is there a way to administer such a big dose IV? Is there a syringe big enough? I am sorry, I know nothing about syringes and drug administration...I don't know what CC and IU are...I just read the PPeH and they say, 20 syringes...I would go into a coma long before I can get to 20.

the pph actually mention that subQ method of taking insulin isn't a reliable method (see paragraph 3 of the page i have posted ) so i very much doubt they would be mentioning the 20 syringes as you have mentioned, i would check the legitimacy of your version of the pph.



there's a shit ton of videos on you tube etc on how IV works

the IU is written on the drugs packaging so not really hard to get that part wrong

 

[SweetSpot086]

the pph actually mention that subQ method of taking insulin isn't a reliable method (see paragraph 3 of the page i have posted ) so i very much doubt they would be mentioning the 20 syringes as you have mentioned, i would check the legitimacy of your version of the pph.

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there's a shit ton of videos on you tube etc on how IV works

the IU is written on the drugs packaging so not really hard to get that part wrong

Sorry about the poor quality...but, its somewhat readable...Read the Note.

 

[checkouttime]

Sorry about the poor quality...but, its somewhat readable...Read the Note.

iIts fine i can read what it says even when i zoom in. you can actually buy pens that are 300iu each so you would only actually need 3!!!. thats for the stuff in bottles the 20 needles.

they are giving and example of how much effort it would take to inject 1000iu using the insulin needles, they don't mention to do it that way though. as they mention in the page i posted they say it isn't a reliable method if you do it subQ (thats injecting it with the insulin needles liken the picture you posted)

 

[SweetSpot086]

iIts fine i can read what it says even when i zoom in. you can actually buy pens that are 300iu each so you would only actually need 3!!!. thats for the stuff in bottles the 20 needles.

they are giving and example of how much effort it would take to inject 1000iu using the insulin needles, they don't mention to do it that way though. as they mention in the page i posted they say it isn't a reliable method if you do it subQ (thats injecting it with the insulin needles liken the picture you posted)

I am sorry, I still dont get it...they used the word "practically impossible" with subQ...why didnt they mention pens? I saw a set of 5 X 3mL(100iu/ml) pre-filled pens...clearly injecting with a pen 900 IU would take 3 shots...that seems practical in theory...combining it with oral glycemics and 3 quick shots...what are the risks and uncertainties they are talking about?

I just reviewed the literature...there has been cases of self-administration up to 2100 IU, How did they do it? and, in one case 900 grams of intravenous sugar was needed to prevent damage after just 400 IU of Insulin...I think, this could work, what am I missing here?

 

[checkouttime]

I am sorry, I still dont get it...they used the word "practically impossible" with subQ...why didnt they mention pens? I saw a set of 5 X 3mL(100iu/ml) pre-filled pens...clearly injecting with a pen 900 IU would take 3 shots...that seems practical in theory...combining it with oral glycemics and 3 quick shots...what are the risks and uncertainties they are talking about?

I just reviewed the literature...there has been cases of self-administration up to 2100 IU, How did they do it? and, in one case 900 grams of intravenous sugar was needed to prevent damage after just 400 IU of Insulin...I think, this could work, what am I missing here?

so you know the picture you posted it states it is of nova rapid 1000iu/10ml therefore using the insulin needle in the picture which holds 0.5ml it would take 20 goes. you can get needles that do 1ml, you can also get even bigger syringes also, they aren't going to list every syringe size lol.

not sure why they don't mention the pens, some of the information was posted years ago and possibly hasn't been updated? they just update the main methods mostly i think. i mean it says it isn't a reliable method if done subQ,so thats saying don't bother doing it really!!

i couldn't tell you off the risks or uncertainties, it says the risk and uncertainty of a large subQ injection remain, like i said they don't promote doing this method.

i can't see the part about the person taking 2100iu in my version of the pph?? i only have these pages

 

[SweetSpot086]

so you know the picture you posted it states it is of nova rapid 1000iu/10ml therefore using the insulin needle in the picture which holds 0.5ml it would take 20 goes. you can get needles that do 1ml, you can also get even bigger syringes also, they aren't going to list every syringe size lol.

not sure why they don't mention the pens, some of the information was posted years ago and possibly hasn't been updated? they just update the main methods mostly i think. i mean it says it isn't a reliable method if done subQ,so thats saying don't bother doing it really!!

i couldn't tell you off the risks or uncertainties, it says the risk and uncertainty of a large subQ injection remain, like i said they don't promote doing this method.

i can't see the part about the person taking 2100iu in my version of the pph?? i only have these pages


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No, the part about 2100 IU is not in PPeH, that's what I read online in scientific journals...case reports of attempted suicide by insulin..

It's either this or hanging...I have no other way...I just don't want to wake up brain dead and blind after a failed insulin attempt..
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[SweetSpot086]

After going through a lot of articles, I have concluded its extremely unreliable and unpleasant...I would give it a rating of 0

 

[sadbadpsychogirl]

it worked perfectly on law and order. but they would never eggagerate such things...

 

[checkouttime]

No, the part about 2100 IU is not in PPeH, that's what I read online in scientific journals...case reports of attempted suicide by insulin..

It's either this or hanging...I have no other way...I just don't want to wake up brain dead and blind after a failed insulin attempt..
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i noticed in the pph that it says people with access to insulin would more than likely have a high tolerance to it., hence the likelihood of failure.

i don't think its a common method to be fair, and i couldn't comment on the IV way of doing it. there's plenty of other methods that have a far better chance of working.

 

[nonbinary]

I've had many attempts with insulin. it is an unpleasant experience to say the least.