Discussion What's the true reason society at large is against suicide?

[ggetout33]

For friends and family I can see them liking me as a person and me CTB'ing would mean them not seeing me anymore. So naturally they would wanna keep me here.

But for society at large, the motive is not so sincere. I feel like the only reason why anti-CTB messages are so prevalent in mainsteam media is because Capitalism just wants to exploit human beings as long as possible. And the system can't really exploit a dead person.

The dead don't work miserable jobs they're too broke to quit, the dead don't buy random shit they don't need, the dead don't get sacked with insane debt after needing healthcare (America). They just lie in their graves either not existing anymore, or somewhere in the afterlife.

That and, they just do it to save face and look like good people. Keyword, look like good people.

Sorry if this is baby's first realization about the fucked up world we live in, but I've felt this way for a long time but never found the space to say it 'til now.

 

[TAW122]

I think you are logically correct in your assessment about society at large and the masses (normies and general populace) with respect to CTB'ing.

 

[Deleted member 31858]

That and, they just do it to save face and look like good people. Keyword, look like good people.

It's true, especially this

 

[ggetout33]

I think you are logically correct in your assessment about society at large and the masses (normies and general populace) with respect to CTB'ing.

True. I hate how Capitalism can bastardize something as sincere as your friend or family member wanting you to live, just to exploit you further for profit.

And to take it a step further, I think for normies it might depend on how attractive you are, and whether you're a neurotypical or not. If I CTB'd in middle school, not a single kid would've given a shit because I was a fat autistic (barring like one person, great guy I still talk to him today). But the rest are sociopathic shits, I doubt they changed much 10 years later.

But if an attractive person were to CTB, it would be this huge travesty, "ohh how could this have happened?!". An unattractive person? Crickets. Honestly, it's fucked and I hate it. But it is a truth of human nature. A truth I would not let define me, however. Cause I would still care if my friend was struggling even if they weren't the most attractive.

 

[Glandular]

I think answering that question cohesively would be a great topic for a phd thesis. There are so many factors involved.

At the core is that for most (>99 %) people suicide is a foreign concept. Death is superficially seen as scary or as pure evil not as part of life. Most people even refuse to talk about it. Death has to be avoided at all costs - someone who takes his own life can not be understood by "society".
This is the worldview of most people - which is in turn expressed in religious views and in country laws. I don't think that there is a capitalist spin on it since suicide was shunned upon long before capitalism even existed.

 

[ggetout33]

I think answering that question cohesively would be a great topic for a phd thesis. There are so many factors involved.

At the core is that for most (>99 %) people suicide is a foreign concept. Death is superficially seen as scary or as pure evil not as part of life. Most people even refuse to talk about it. Death has to be avoided at all costs - someone who takes his own life can not be understood by "society".
This is the worldview of most people - which is in turn expressed in religious views and in country laws. I don't think that there is a capitalist spin on it since suicide was shunned upon long before capitalism even existed.

True, a simpler answer would be the SI most people have. So resisting that instinct and CTB'ing anyway is essentially like going against nature itself for most people.

For religious views, if God exists then I would hate him for making me this way. I could've been born better but I'm stuck playing the shitty gene cards I was dealt, while I watch others succeed.

 

[Homo erectus]

Maybe this is only transitional. Modern medicine and farming make it very cheap to keep people alive. Many societies have the luxury to be "pro-life", at the same time gaining some economic benefits. But when machine can do things better than human, there will be no benefit in exploiting human, unless there is some unique pleasure in keeping people around.

 

[ggetout33]

Maybe this is only transitional. Modern medicine and farming make it very cheap to keep people alive. Many societies have the luxury to be "pro-life", at the same time gaining some economic benefits. But when machine can do things better than human, there will be no benefit in exploiting human, unless there is some unique pleasure in keeping people around.

I would be inclined to believe the oligarchs want things to be this way because wagies get to suffer. If a robot did all the work, there would be no exploitation and no human suffering to get their jollies. If this wasn't the case then all this AI stuff would've been commonplace 10 years ago.

However, I am looking forward to the AI revolution and that's one reason why I stick around.

 

[FuneralCry]

I just think the fact that the society needs slaves is why there is so much brainwashing into trying to make people believe that suicide is "irrational" and I think it's a reason as to why this society is so focused on suicide prevention rather than accepting suicide as the logical solution that it truly is.
If there was acceptance of suicide as being a valid option with people having the option of a peaceful, reliable suicide available for them without all the stigma then most people would choose that over decades of suffering, where so many are wageslaves until they decay from age and die anyway.

 

[ggetout33]

I just think the fact that the society needs slaves is why there is so much brainwashing into trying to make people believe that suicide is "irrational" and I think it's a reason as to why this society is so focused on suicide prevention rather than accepting suicide as the logical solution that it truly is.
If there was acceptance of suicide as being a valid option with people having the option of a peaceful, reliable suicide available for them without all the stigma then most people would choose that over decades of suffering, where so many are wageslaves until they decay from age and die anyway.

I personally don't think it should be readily available to any and every body with no questions asked but I am pro-assisted suicide if it alleviates suffering with no feasible alternatives.

 

[SpiderLink]

I feel people are so focused on suicide prevention, but not the mental health system as much.

 

[ToTheTwillight]

For friends and family I can see them liking me as a person and me CTB'ing would mean them not seeing me anymore. So naturally they would wanna keep me here.

But for society at large, the motive is not so sincere. I feel like the only reason why anti-CTB messages are so prevalent in mainsteam media is because Capitalism just wants to exploit human beings as long as possible. And the system can't really exploit a dead person.

The dead don't work miserable jobs they're too broke to quit, the dead don't buy random shit they don't need, the dead don't get sacked with insane debt after needing healthcare (America). They just lie in their graves either not existing anymore, or somewhere in the afterlife.

That and, they just do it to save face and look like good people. Keyword, look like good people.

Sorry if this is baby's first realization about the fucked up world we live in, but I've felt this way for a long time but never found the space to say it 'til now.

Some of the things you saying are true, but remember that there were many types of governmental systems in our society through human history, and they all had it in common, whether it was monarchy or communism, that they were anti cbt, even making it illegal.

I think the one commonality that exists through human history, is that power individuals were the once are ruling, and they were very vital and influential, they wanted to live forever. Those that had charisma and power were about life, and they influenced the world to have others want to be like them or have what they have. They don't think cbt they think life, and they think happiness. The world see this place crappier if people were cbting so they want to prevent that so they won't feel bad. Basically the happy people want no cbt so they can keep being happier while not having those that suffer choose to cbt so they become less happy

 

[murmur]

I think before society ever accepts the possibility of being more accepting towards suicide, it would probably touch base first with antinatalism (aka just being more thoughtful about bringing life into a questionable world (with an even more questionable future)), I doubt this'll happen in our lifetime because the first thing youll hear from the majority of people is, you hate family! you hate babies! ...please, the unborn are lucky and so many people that aren't ready to be good parents have children, barely giving a second thought to it, overpopulation is a symptom of self importance, ignorance, and no regard for the quality of life on earth, naturally it requires a balance like all essential things, but the system at large does rely on there being too many people, in order to support mass industrialization and extreme levels of exploitation, makes the right of nonexistence unthinkable

 

[leavingsoon99]

I feel this. It seems like, as long as you're 'useful', society wants you to stick around. It makes sense to want to get the most out of someone. That matches the psychology of a society that wants to charge itself for existing. Plus, I think humans fear death. Ultimately, humans don't understand death. And life is all we seem to know. For someone to turn away from all this money, all this alcohol, all this sex, all this LIFE, and opt for the unknown is confusing and detestable for humans. I guess one would really have to have existed in a certain way to really understand suicidality.

 

[AerialBoundaries]

Religious fundamentalism and sanctimony.

 

[Thotsuka]

Personally, I feel like people tend to ignore the fact that not everyone has favourable circumstances that could make recovery possible.

 

[liheartsu]

I think honestly many people have good intentions, I don't really think that they mean to come off as passive aggressive about it nor annoying. But maybe they really just don't understand