Method What’s the most legal, painless, and easy ctb?

[not_close]

I've looked into the SN method but some people don't want to go through the trouble to lie to get a prescription for an Antimetic. I've looked into hanging and tried partially suspended hanging but I think my dumbass did it wrong. I've also tried OTC sleeping pills which is an outdated method since they stopped selling ones powerful enough to CBT you a while back when too many people were killing themselves with them. I've also seen a post defending the caffeine overdose method that caught my eye. In the post the person explained that caffeine OD wasn't such a bad way to go and it's making me really consider it because caffeine is easily accessible and doesn't seem like the worst way to go. However if there are any other ways that I can ctb without having to do things like lying to doctors to get prescriptions or doing something illegal I'd like to consider those. Rereading this I'm thinking this may fit more under the help tag, but this is related to a method and there may end up being some pretty good methods as responses so I'm thinking maybe I should leave the method tag as is. Idk, moral of the story is I'm stupid

 

[WornOutLife]

That's the question which answer we all want to know.
For what I've seen, SN and partial hanging are the most popular methods. However, pain and possible brain damage are a possibility.

 

[PapaSuicide]

I think to shoot in the head must be the best method.

 

[Nymph]

There aren't really, unless you have license to get a gun or are a chemist/veterinarian and can get nembutal.
I guess hanging is a classic lol and it's pretty easy to set up but I don't personally find it very peaceful.

lying for a prescription isn't illegal right? I found antiemetics on eBay but now are removed..there's still ways to get it without having to go to a doctor tho

 

[Endeavour]

You don't need anti emetics, they might help but also might not. I haven't got any and won't be bothering with them. Paracetamol, ant acid, and SN is all.

 

[Symbiote]

A subarachnoid hemorrhage caused by a stroke or by a higher power that deems you unworthy to live.

 

[0siris]

Every method has it's advantages and disadvantages, there isn't one that has it all.

 

[Aap]

I don't know what you define as "easy," but inert gas meets most of those criteria.

 

[DetachedDreamer97]

A subarachnoid hemorrhage caused by a stroke or by a higher power that deems you unworthy to live.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You do not want to get me started!

 

[LifeIsbutADream1]

If done right, "legal, painless, and easy" describes the carbon monoxide method.

 

[Gnip]

If done right, "legal, painless, and easy" describes the carbon monoxide method.

Yes, and there's some history to back this up.

The original blonde talking picture comedienne, Thelma Todd looked like she was sleeping after she accidentally killed herself with carbon monoxide while warming up her powerful 1932 Lincoln KB V12 Dual Cowl Phaeton (the largest 12 cylinder engine Lincoln has ever produced) inside a cold closed garage at daybreak on December 15, 1935. It's estimated that she could have succumbed to the fumes of an apparently well ventilated new garage in as little as a minute and a half by revving up a refrigerated engine after taking a nap in the back seat following a long uphill climb after being dropped off from a late night party. (The temperature at that moment was a record low 38 degrees Fahrenheit according to the National Weather Service archives for that date in Santa Monica.)

Modern cars are not usually that powerful, nor do they use the leaded fuel which was standard in 1935. But it's possible Thelma Todd never realized what was happening before she was out,

Carbon monoxide detector alarms are inexpensive, heavily marketed and used because there is otherwise no warning to sleeping victims that the gas is accumulating, and odor has to be added to propane for supplying a warning that there is a gas leak. (Yes, propane tanks have been used to CTB.)

In "The Ghost and Mrs. Muir," the deceased Captain Daniel Gregg died in the mid 1800's by accidentally kicking open the lever of a gas heater in his sleep while the window was shut. This 1945 novel was made into a 1947 movie and television series which ran from 1968 to 1970.

For decades, carbon monoxide was the quick and painless method of choice to CTB.

 

[foxdie]

Dying of old age.

But seriously if there were a method that fit legal, painless, and easy, it wouldn't be legal or easy to get for very long. We're all looking for this but it's a bit of a dream. The CO method is legal and painless but I'd say the set up isn't exactly easy. You have to do your own research and decided what is best for you.

 

[Puffinz]

I would say a firearm if you live in the US. Basically instant so no pain and all you have to do is move your finger an inch to pull the trigger.

 

[adam&eve]

I would say a firearm if you live in the US. Basically instant so no pain and all you have to do is move your finger an inch to pull the trigger.

YeAh, ask Katie Stubblefield...

 

[Puffinz]

YeAh, ask Katie Stubblefield...

I read about this story and I've read others like it before. This sort of thing happens when people don't do any research and try to ctb on an impulse. They don't have the right firearm or they don't aim in the right place or a combination of these two. If you use a shotgun and aim in the correct place you will die instantly 100% of the time.

 

[adam&eve]

I read about this story and I've read others like it before. This sort of thing happens when people don't do any research and try to ctb on an impulse. They don't have the right firearm or they don't aim in the right place or a combination of these two. If you use a shotgun and aim in the correct place you will die instantly 100% of the time.

Yeah I would always aim in my heart, not head...

 

[SuicidallyCurious]

I read about this story and I've read others like it before. This sort of thing happens when people don't do any research and try to ctb on an impulse. They don't have the right firearm or they don't aim in the right place or a combination of these two. If you use a shotgun and aim in the correct place you will die instantly 100% of the time.

I did a brief google and it said she used a rifle. There is the first mistake - worst weapon to CTB with.

 

[adam&eve]

Yeah and now, sadly disabled as she is, she doesn't want to CBT anymore. This so doesn't make sense to me at all...

 

[summers]

I did a brief google and it said she used a rifle. There is the first mistake - worst weapon to CTB with.

I'm not so sure about that. I agree, a 22lr rifle, like a Ruger 10-22 is a really, really bad idea. The .223/5.56 is also very small, so maybe avoid that as well. (Although this round has killed many thousands of people). But once you get up to a .308/7.62, you're talking a round that can kill a moose or bear with one shot to the head or heart.

It's all about placement with any firearm. Either in the mouth or in the heart. Large caliber handgun, medium caliber rifle, and shotgun are all going to get the job done.

 

[SuicidallyCurious]

I'm not so sure about that. I agree, a 22lr rifle, like a Ruger 10-22 is a really, really bad idea. The .223/5.56 is also very small, so maybe avoid that as well. (Although this round has killed many thousands of people). But once you get up to a .308/7.62, you're talking a round that can kill a moose or bear with one shot to the head or heart.

It's all about placement with any firearm. Either in the mouth or in the heart. Large caliber handgun, medium caliber rifle, and shotgun are all going to get the job done.

Yes the caliber selection is important. personally i would never CTB by firearm too gory

 

[summers]

Yes the caliber selection is important. personally i would never CTB by firearm too gory

Heart shot with a rifle wouldn't be gory. Just bloody. You could still have an open casket funeral if you wanted that.

 

[SuicidallyCurious]

Heart shot with a rifle wouldn't be gory. Just bloody. You could still have an open casket funeral if you wanted that.

I would hope to have no funeral. Firearm may draw unwanted attention to help people find the body.

 

[iguanah]

I don't know what you define as "easy," but inert gas meets most of those criteria.

Hey Aap, i'm new to this site so i wasn't sure about a good way to directly contact you so i thought i'd reply to you, but i'm fully setup for exit bag & i have a few questions and i've noticed your a great source of info in this site so i thought i'd reach out!

I'm super educated on the whole thing and have a few details i'd like clarification on before proceeding, no dumb uninformed questions!

1. Obviously bag tightness is a big topic of debate, what i've been doing is pulling it over my head getting to a nice tightness then pulling it up like a shower cap but after it's filled with nitrogen and i pull down it's a bit looser, do you think it would be wise to give it a quick tighten once i pull back down?

2. Pain! so after i lose conciousness what am i feeling? this is obviously super debated in the medical community (anaesthetic use during surgery and not being able to recall pain) but any ideas? would i be too deeply unconcuius to detect? would there be some definite pain? it's often reported unconscious people feel pain as well so i'm torn. i can handle that i'd just like a piece of mind on what it would be like before i pull the trigger.

3. i'm trying to settle on a time to abort if not unconscious, what would you recommend? 60 seconds?

4. Lastly i'm doing this in my car as to my best understanding seizures are uncommon with exit bag ctb some minor movement of the extremities is common, so basically i thought i'd sit reclined in my car which my legs around the seat in front of me and after pulling the bag over my head i'd tuck me arms underneath the seatbelt. another thing i've noticed is it's pretty obvious to me your heads gonna sway to one side when unconscious so
i plan on putting a big bed pillow behind my head to minimize sway, i guess that is could mess with the bag a little but to me less messing with it than not having a pillow.

that's about it! i would really really appreciate a reply as than i would be ready to proceed. if you see any other issues in my logic please point them out.

Cheers

 

[Aap]

1. The elastic should be tight enough around the neck that the inflated bag doesn't shoot off your head like a rocket but not so tight that gas can't easily escape (resulting in a popped bag). I've seen some use an elastic headband at the bottom of the bag rather than adjustable elastic. This should be a starting point for how tight the elastic should be around your neck

2. There is absolutely no debate. When you are unconscious from this you aren't feeling anything. There is no pain from this (nor a mechanism that would cause pain).

3. Individual should exhale fully before pulling the inflated bag down and inhaling deeply in and out. Unconsciousness will come in 10-20 seconds. If it takes longer than 30, there is an air leak or you weren't fully exhaled/are holding your breath.

4. I would imagine being in a car seat, slightly reclined, and buckled in would be about the best position imaginable. Of course your head will fall to one side or the other. If you try with a plastic bag with elastic, I doubt you could violently shake the bag off, regardless of how hard you try (much less have the bag fall off from the head falling to one side).

he only other consideration is the location of the tank. On the seat beside you secured is probably better than on the floor under your feet.

 

[iguanah]

1. The elastic should be tight enough around the neck that the inflated bag doesn't shoot off your head like a rocket but not so tight that gas can't easily escape (resulting in a popped bag). I've seen some use an elastic headband at the bottom of the bag rather than adjustable elastic. This should be a starting point for how tight the elastic should be around your neck

2. There is absolutely no debate. When you are unconscious from this you aren't feeling anything. There is no pain from this (nor a mechanism that would cause pain).

3. Individual should exhale fully before pulling the inflated bag down and inhaling deeply in and out. Unconsciousness will come in 10-20 seconds. If it takes longer than 30, there is an air leak or you weren't fully exhaled/are holding your breath.

4. I would imagine being in a car seat, slightly reclined, and buckled in would be about the best position imaginable. Of course your head will fall to one side or the other. If you try with a plastic bag with elastic, I doubt you could violently shake the bag off, regardless of how hard you try (much less have the bag fall off from the head falling to one side).

he only other consideration is the location of the tank. On the seat beside you secured is probably better than on the floor under your feet.

thanks for the promt response, i'm totally clear with you on 2 & 3 & 4. As for Q1 i've tried to sports elastic headbands and some things of that nature but nothing really works well so i guess i'll keep practicing my elastic cord maneuver, one finger gap is often recommended right? for q4 i'll definitely put my nitrogen in the seat next to me bucked in as well. for my second question what's your rationale and confidence behind no pain? lastly i know this varies a ton & is totally subjective but what's your average # on time until death? i guess your brain would die initially as it's deprived of oxygen than so on and so fourth?

ya that's pretty much everything. i really appreciate it.

 

[Aap]

You should be able to easily get a finger in, but without the finger, it should be resting on the skin. The idea is that It is tight enough to prevent any air entering but still not so tight that the gas in the bag can't flow out.

brain damage will begin in 4 or 5 minutes with brain death (death) occurring in 7-10 at the longest. My rationale behind no pain is an understanding of the physiology of what is going on. Once unconscious, there can't be a conscious perception of pain. There is also nothing occurring that is painful. It's honestly like saying "Prove the earth isn't flat." It's hard to know where to even begin.

 

[iguanah]

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You should be able to easily get a finger in, but without the finger, it should be resting on the skin. The idea is that It is tight enough to prevent any air entering but still not so tight that the gas in the bag can't flow out.

brain damage will begin in 4 or 5 minutes with brain death (death) occurring in 7-10 at the longest. My rationale behind no pain is an understanding of the physiology of what is going on. Once unconscious, there can't be a conscious perception of pain. There is also nothing occurring that is painful. It's honestly like saying "Prove the earth isn't flat." It's hard to know where to even begi

You should be able to easily get a finger in, but without the finger, it should be resting on the skin. The idea is that It is tight enough to prevent any air entering but still not so tight that the gas in the bag can't flow out.

brain damage will begin in 4 or 5 minutes with brain death (death) occurring in 7-10 at the longest. My rationale behind no pain is an understanding of the physiology of what is going on. Once unconscious, there can't be a conscious perception of pain. There is also nothing occurring that is painful. It's honestly like saying "Prove the earth isn't flat." It's hard to know where to even begin.

okay i got you on the pain frontier, ive been reading a lot of articles about unconscious people's perception of pain but if they were into too deep of a state that makes sense. so it really is quite quick. 20 seconds to unconscious and 10 to brain death completely painlessly. i wonder why more people don't go with this method instead of coming up with all this crazy shit. those are good guidelines for the exit bag tightness! thanks a ton and happy new year

 

[Aap]

I'm not sure what articles you are reading, but here is a very high level overview of pain and sedation:

There are various levels of sedation from: sedate (sleepy, feel pain consciously, body has physiologic reactions to pain (e.g. cortisol release, increased HR, BP, and respiration)), sleep (EEG changes, sleep, physiologic responses to pain, no conscious perception of pain but CAN be aroused to wakefulness), coma (deeper EEG changes, physiologic response to pain, no conscious perception of pain, CANNOT be aroused), anesthesia (no conscious or physiologic reaction to pain, cannot be aroused).

There isn't any controversy in medicine about pain and unconsciousness.

 

[iguanah]

I'm not sure what articles you are reading, but here is a very high level overview of pain and sedation:

There are various levels of sedation from: sedate (sleepy, feel pain consciously, body has physiologic reactions to pain (e.g. cortisol release, increased HR, BP, and respiration)), sleep (EEG changes, sleep, physiologic responses to pain, no conscious perception of pain but CAN be aroused to wakefulness), coma (deeper EEG changes, physiologic response to pain, no conscious perception of pain, CANNOT be aroused), anesthesia (no conscious or physiologic reaction to pain, cannot be aroused).

There isn't any controversy in medicine about pain and unconsciousness.

that makes sense, after you pass out from intern gas, what sector of these unconsciousness levels would you be put into?

 

[Aap]

You would rapidly slip into coma and then deeper. You aren't arousable. In any event, there isn't anything going on that is painful. Your brain itself has no pain neurons.