what went wrong?

[asscar.racing]

on friday night i drank SN. it was like 2 tablespoons in a small amount of water. i got kinda nauseas and passed out. i woke up saturday morning feeling fine except for a migraine. i've done the blood test, the SN is good. i was really high and couldn't find the chart for how much to use but i'm really small so i'm sure that was more than enough. the only thing i can think went wrong was i took a bunch of other pills with gatorade like an hour beforehand? could having a lot of gatorade in my stomach prevent me from absorbing enough SN? i also have severe GERD and i can't remember if i took an anti acid or not. i'll follow stans guide next time, im just wondering what went wrong bc i find it so odd i passed out and everything and then woke up fine
it's probably safe to assume i DIDNT take an anti acid bc i didn't take an anti nausea i just took a bottle of ativan and the fumbled around for a bit

 

[befree]

The main ingredient in Gatorade is suggar. Maybe there was an interaction due to high insulin level. "took a bunch of other pills" Without knowing what you took, it´s impossible to say if there was any interaction with SN or with one of the drugs. "i'll follow stans guide next time" Why not this time ?

 

[asscar.racing]

"took a bunch of other pills" i said which pills.
"i'll follow stans guide next time" because i was very high and just did it on a whim.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

And you didn't vomit at all? Also, not saying this is what it is, as IDK, but you know that "silverware-type" teaspoons are considerably smaller than "measuring-cup-type" teaspoons.

 

[asscar.racing]

And you didn't vomit at all? Also, not saying this is what it is, as IDK, but you know that "silverware-type" teaspoons are considerably smaller than "measuring-cup-type" teaspoons.

i actually didn't know that. thanks. and no unless i did while i was passed out and it dried out before i woke up? i'm not sure

 

[locked*n*loaded]

i actually didn't know that. thanks. and no unless i did while i was passed out and it dried out before i woke up? i'm not sure

Probably no vomit then. Think you'd notice something, even if only liquid. That's good though if you didn't vomit. Means you can keep the SN down, which is good.


I think the real issue, though, is that you are measuring with a "volume" measuring device, rather than a weight measuring device. You need 20 to 25 grams of SN for successful ctb, grams being a measure of weight, not volume. In reality, the best way to measure out how much SN to use would be to buy one of those inexpensive digital scales and measure out 25 grams that way. The larger you are, the more SN you need. And it's a good idea to have another prepared cup ready to consume should you vomit some/all of the first cup.

 

[asscar.racing]

Probably no vomit then. Think you'd notice something, even if only liquid. That's good though if you didn't vomit. Means you can keep the SN down, which is good.


I think the real issue, though, is that you are measuring with a "volume" measuring device, rather than a weight measuring device. You need 20 to 25 grams of SN for successful ctb, grams being a measure of weight, not volume. In reality, the best way to measure out how much SN to use would be to buy one of those inexpensive digital scales and measure out 25 grams that way. The larger you are, the more SN you need. And it's a good idea to have another prepared cup ready to consume should you vomit some/all of the first cup.

thank you so much! that totally makes sense i didn't even think about that. i assumed bc of my really low body weight the amount wouldn't really matter all that much but i guess i was wrong

 

[potablewater784]

Probably no vomit then. Think you'd notice something, even if only liquid. That's good though if you didn't vomit. Means you can keep the SN down, which is good.


I think the real issue, though, is that you are measuring with a "volume" measuring device, rather than a weight measuring device. You need 20 to 25 grams of SN for successful ctb, grams being a measure of weight, not volume. In reality, the best way to measure out how much SN to use would be to buy one of those inexpensive digital scales and measure out 25 grams that way. The larger you are, the more SN you need. And it's a good idea to have another prepared cup ready to consume should you vomit some/all of the first cup.

Volume measuring devices should work fine (although they may be a bit harder to use) since you can convert mass to volume if you know the density. 25 grams of SN should be about 0.78 US tablespoons (about 0.65 imperial tbsp). What did you mean by some teaspoons being smaller than others?

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Volume measuring devices should work fine (although they may be a bit harder to use) since you can convert mass to volume if you know the density. 25 grams of SN should be about 0.78 US tablespoons (about 0.65 imperial tbsp). What did you mean by some teaspoons being smaller than others?

It's not really accurate. I could pack the SN in the measuring cup and get a totally different amount of SN than just loosely putting it into the measuring cup. Humidity in the air can effect how much gets placed into a measuring cup. If you really want 25 grams, use a scale. Far more accurate and they are inexpensive, like $10. Certainly, a "silverware" spoon can be even more inaccurate. This is most likely the most important decision that anyone will make in their lives, at least near the very top of decisions. Why risk it to error that could result in a bad outcome with all kinds of bad consequences?

I never said some teaspoons are smaller than others. I said silverware-type teaspoons are smaller than actual teaspoon measuring cups. And they are. If you bake a cake, you don't use a regular teaspoon, or tablespoon, to measure out your ingredients. They are not accurate. You use "measuring cups" for dry ingredients. You use a liquid measuring cup for wet ingredients. They are not the same thing. But, back to your question about teaspoons. I'm sure teaspoons, silverware type, do vary. They are formed utensils, not meant to be accurate. I didn't say that in my post, but just making the point now. You do know what a set of measuring cups looks like, right? Those are what I was comparing to a silverware spoon. They make measuring cups in teaspoon size, tablespoon size, 1/4 cup size, 1/3 cup size, 1/2 cup size, cup size, etc. They come in a set.

 

[potablewater784]

It's not really accurate. I could pack the SN in the measuring cup and get a totally different amount of SN than just loosely putting it into the measuring cup. Humidity in the air can effect how much gets placed into a measuring cup. If you really want 25 grams, use a scale. Far more accurate and they are inexpensive, like $10. Certainly, a "silverware" spoon can be even more inaccurate. This is most likely the most important decision that anyone will make in their lives, at least near the very top of decisions. Why risk it to error that could result in a bad outcome with all kinds of bad consequences?

I never said some teaspoons are smaller than others. I said silverware-type teaspoons are smaller than actual teaspoon measuring cups. And they are. If you bake a cake, you don't use a regular teaspoon, or tablespoon, to measure out your ingredients. They are not accurate. You use "measuring cups" for dry ingredients. You use a liquid measuring cup for wet ingredients. They are not the same thing. But, back to your question about teaspoons. I'm sure teaspoons, silverware type, do vary. They are formed utensils, not meant to be accurate. I didn't say that in my post, but just making the point now. You do know what a set of measuring cups looks like, right? Those are what I was comparing to a silverware spoon. They make measuring cups in teaspoon size, tablespoon size, 1/4 cup size, 1/3 cup size, 1/2 cup size, cup size, etc. They come in a set.

I'm aware that it's not very accurate, but I said that mainly because it seemed like there was a big difference between the amount he measured and the amount they would need. Rethinking it, you're right that it's not a good idea to measure it by volume, sorry.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

I'm aware that it's not very accurate, but I said that mainly because it seemed like there was a big difference between the amount he measured and the amount they would need. Rethinking it, you're right that it's not a good idea to measure it by volume, sorry.

Hey man, there's no sorry necessary. We're all here, pretty much in the same boat, trying to make the best decisions we can under bad circumstances. I read Stan's Guide and never liked that part about spoons and such. For, perhaps, the most important decision any of us could make, it just seems more prudent to me to be as accurate as possible. I think with SN, the best idea is to consume only as much as needed to get the job done, because not enough, and you probably end up failing, and too much, and you have a greater likelihood of vomiting and, also, end up failing. You might very well vomit taking 25 grams, too, but at least you got the right amount consumed. That's why I told the OP to have a second glass made up just in case. We're all in this together. And to be honest, I'm an N person. Chances are I'm not going to get N, though. So, I have a back-up plan for CO. SN just doesn't seem appealing to me. But, then again, by the time I'm ready, that may change. I've only eliminated some potential methods completely. I really don't want to use SN, unless I absolutely have to, but I will if it comes to it. It's not off my list. Just down on my list a bit.

 

[potablewater784]

Thank you! I completely agree, it is important to be accurate with these kind decisions, I don't think anyone would appreciate failing. I've never attempted before, but it must be like hell with having to go to a psych ward and deal with family and friends. Two glasses is also a good idea, I know that I'm definitely going to do it when I ctb. SN does definitely has some unpleasant side effects, but they don't sound too terrible to me. Especially if I can put some music on while I wait. But more importantly, it's a lot easier to get than N and easier to set up than CO. N would also be my first choice (pretty sure it's almost everyone's), but it's too expensive for me and I don't like that the government could seize it.