What should we do if this forum has to close?

[noname223]

I read a lot about the opposition to this forum. And it makes me afraid. I do not really know how close it is that the enemies of this forum will win. But just in case: what could we do? Will there be another site of the mods/ admins. They make a very good job. I would suggest to move the servers to an exotic country, but this won't work(?)
If it is closing please let us know the instructions on twitter fellow admins lol

 

[Symbiote]

I believe the admins and mods have a good handle on keeping this site open and running. It's just making sure everyone has equal availability in their respective countries to access this site.

 

[WornOutLife]

I believe the admins and mods have a good handle on keeping this site open and running. It's just making sure everyone has equal availability in their respective countries to access this site.

Agreed. They might just keep changing domains and the server location.
If the enemy is only fixthe26, there's not too much to worry about.

 

[WOODESITY]

Agreed. They might just keep changing domains and the server location.
If the enemy is only fixthe26, there's not too much to worry about.

Not only fixthe26, i found another bigger movement today, that has received many signatures from terminating this place, there are other groups and individuals who do anything to shut down this place, one was directly contacting cloudflare telling that this site helps children kill themselves and offering methods

 

[Soulless Angel]

this site will just move else were, its already changed servers a few times and will continue to do so

this site will just move else were, its already changed servers a few times and will continue to do so

alos I think server owners need to look into it more rather then just removing it on here say!

 

[WatermelonMel]

But just in case: what could we do?

CTB

In all seriousness it probably won't come to this, the admins are really good at what they do and have everything backed up ready to go on a new domain if this one needs to shut down again.

 

[WornOutLife]

Not only fixthe26, i found another bigger movement today, that has received many signatures from terminating this place, there are other groups and individuals who do anything to shut down this place, one was directly contacting cloudflare telling that this site helps children kill themselves and offering methods

Oh yeah I think I saw that. I even saw a request on CHANGE.ORG.
Still, I think the admins will move this website to a different server all the time or find some another way to do it and if they not, I will be really sad because this is the only place in which people and me can really understand each other.

 

[Symbiote]

Was that the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention? They're starting to become the Susan Komen for Breast Cancer with all the walks they're doing for suicide awareness. May explain the uptick in suicidal hotlines telling people to go take a walk.

 

[BornofDust]

Not only fixthe26, i found another bigger movement today, that has received many signatures from terminating this place, there are other groups and individuals who do anything to shut down this place, one was directly contacting cloudflare telling that this site helps children kill themselves and offering methods

What other movements?

 

[BeansOfRequirement]

suicidal hotlines telling people to go take a walk.

 

[WOODESITY]

What other movements?

Stop sanctioned suicide, they are on change.org almost filled all signatures of supporters

 

[LakatosDiogenesz]

Sites like Thepiratebay and Encyclopedia Dramatica are still working even after being shut down countless times so I assume moving servers is possible, probably until knowledge itself becomes illegal.

 

[Buffy5120]

Not only fixthe26, i found another bigger movement today, that has received many signatures from terminating this place, there are other groups and individuals who do anything to shut down this place, one was directly contacting cloudflare telling that this site helps children kill themselves and offering methods

Thats been up for a while means nothing honestly

 

[wannafly]

Stop sanctioned suicide, they are on change.org almost filled all signatures of supporters

Looked it up, just has links to fixthe26.
I'm not entirely sure why they made a petition - the fact that it has nearly 10,000 signatures means... well, nothing. I'm sure some of them are doing it out of retaliation after their loved ones ctb, so I can understand that. The comments with the most likes appear to be pro-choice, so that's interesting and a positive thing to see.

Just by reading the comments you can see that the vast majority of signatures aren't offering constructive arguments - or any that hold particularly strong value. The comments that seem most sound of mind are the ones that talk about needing mental health support instead of a pro-choice community - and even then, they don't talk about the fact that in truth, it's a 50/50 argument. Yeah, some people do need support - so what, you give them less options? Seek therapy and/or get medicated? Yeah, works for some people, has saved my life a couple times - but both of these things are most often temporary - and if they don't work, you're told to "keep trying". I'd happily go on about my years of being thrown about the mental health system, but I'm aware that it works for a lot of people, and I wouldn't tell someone to ever think about suicide - hell, even I'd be sad if a loved one ctb, but I would be angry at the health care system rather than here - because that's usually what fails.

If they had pure intentions they'd be trying to promote awareness, raising funds to improve the mental health systems; to improve support for people who do seek it.

 

[Buffy5120]

Looked it up, just has links to fixthe26.
I'm not entirely sure why they made a petition - the fact that it has nearly 10,000 signatures means... well, nothing. I'm sure some of them are doing it out of retaliation after their loved ones ctb, so I can understand that. The comments with the most likes appear to be pro-choice, so that's interesting and a positive thing to see.

Just by reading the comments you can see that the vast majority of signatures aren't offering constructive arguments - or any that hold particularly strong value. The comments that seem most sound of mind are the ones that talk about needing mental health support instead of a pro-choice community - and even then, they don't talk about the fact that in truth, it's a 50/50 argument. Yeah, some people do need support - so what, you give them less options? Seek therapy and/or get medicated? Yeah, works for some people, has saved my life a couple times - but both of these things are most often temporary - and if they don't work, you're told to "keep trying". I'd happily go on about my years of being thrown about the mental health system, but I'm aware that it works for a lot of people, and I wouldn't tell someone to ever think about suicide - hell, even I'd be sad if a loved one ctb, but I would be angry at the health care system rather than here - because that's usually what fails.

If they had pure intentions they'd be trying to promote awareness, raising funds to improve the mental health systems; to improve support for people who do seek it.

Exactly everything your saying is so true.

 

[Soulless Angel]

Looked it up, just has links to fixthe26.
I'm not entirely sure why they made a petition - the fact that it has nearly 10,000 signatures means... well, nothing

How many of those 10K are the same people different email addresses, I bet if it was really looked into that number would only be something like a dozen or two

 

[Buffy5120]

How many of those 10K are the same people different email addresses, I bet if it was really looked into that number would only be something like a dozen or two

This Bc theres no way those are real people

 

[aneurysm]

I believe the admins and mods have a good handle on keeping this site open and running. It's just making sure everyone has equal availability in their respective countries to access this site.

true, for now...
I feel like the argument that "the website is legal and protected by 1A" will eventually become incrementally obselete, as we're progressing slowly but surely into authoritarian governance.

I think they deleted a gore website, which, to me, is unfair. These websites showed the REALITY of what's going on in the world, and they're trying to censor that.

i once saw a video of a cartel member breaking the hands of a woman and tearing them off while she was alive. I also saw a video of a woman being raped. If I hadn't seen those video, I wouldn't be believing those things as they're inconceivable in my world. I understand that they want to protect us but they're concealing vital information from us and that's just plain annoying (and potentially dangerous).

 

[DivineMedicus]

This site will never be in any real danger for the foreseeable future. Even if there's a change.org petition, who cares? Since when has change.org ever changed anything? Yeah, they have a victory page, but there's no way to tell if the petitions themselves are the culprit of any meaningful changes.

Petitions are there to only demonstrate if and how many people actually wish to see a change happen, but never to cause any actions that bring about change. In fact, these petitions only make people feel like they've done something useful when in reality they've only given their name and email address, and this actually prevents them from taking any further meaningful action.

 

[Incorrigible77777]

I believe the admins and mods have a good handle on keeping this site open and running. It's just making sure everyone has equal availability in their respective countries to access this site.

At least, that doesn't apply to my country, even before the original .com site was shut down ㅋㅋㅋㅋ Here I have to use either VPN or Tor and with that I couldn't register so I had to ask a friend abroad to register it for me at the very beginning.

 

[booray]

Was that the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention? They're starting to become the Susan Komen for Breast Cancer with all the walks they're doing for suicide awareness. May explain the uptick in suicidal hotlines telling people to go take a walk.

If one more person tells me to go take a walk, I swear to God I will kill myself right there and then! How the fuck is taking a walk going to help me fix all the problems in my life?

 

[Thanatos123]

I don't know if this helps. Maybe the admins should take a look at it and see what's the safest route.

 

[Latios]

Sites like Thepiratebay and Encyclopedia Dramatica are still working even after being shut down countless times so I assume moving servers is possible, probably until knowledge itself becomes illegal.

Lmao I don't mean to derail this thread but what the fuck was wrong with Encyclopedia Dramatica?

 

[Jblack]

There are too many organizations telling people how to live and what to say. Some of those attack this site, not because they have an understanding of this site and the people who gather here but they want to do good. They take up causes to make themselves feel great and look important. They are also the people who refuse to take responsibility for their actions. They deflect by blaming other people, organizations and objects for their actions. My favorite example, a drunk driver runs a stop sign and is hit and killed by oncoming traffic. The family blames the intersection and stop sign for causing the accident. They petition the state who closes the unsafe intersection. The result, they impact people who used that intersection in their commute and must now take a longer route to get home. But they got the dangerous intersection closed and "lives saved". These organizations do the same type of attack on groups like ours. They attack us because of the anger of the families of those who exited. Maybe the families need to step back and look at the lives of their loved ones. They need to ask about the pain and suffering that a person was going through when that person decided to exit. It is amazing how little empathy society has for those of using who suffer both physically and mentally. They reject us out of hand telling us that things will get better with time, suck it up and don't let things bother you so much. I am glad these groups and the people who join them have such perfect lives. Not all of us do.

 

[Mixo]

Maybe the families need to step back and look at the lives of their loved ones. They need to ask about the pain and suffering that a person was going through when that person decided to exit. ..They reject us out of hand telling us that things will get better with time, suck it up and don't let things bother you so much.

I couldn't agree with this sentiment/statement more. The people who oppose the free and open discussion about suicide are probably the same people who would want nothing to do with people in their actual lives opening up about their wishes to die. That's the catch 22 about suicide that they're not getting. If we open up, our freedom/agency gets taken away or we get ostracized by people in our lives or become an unwanted problem. But letting us be able to open up about it in a safe place is somehow a direct threat on their lives. It's like they want us to lose any semblance of support because they're only thinking about their reactions to it. Ironically, that is way more selfish than allowing people to talk about self-deliverance.

Also, do they really think everyone on here is just some teenager that is having a momentary bout of depression that could be saved with a simple call to a suicide hotline? I'm sorry but that is insane. There are a lot of us on here who are adults that have tried absolutely everything to alleviate the desperate source of pain in our lives and many of us even more who will have to live in physical anguish (i.e. illness, disability) or mental illness the rest of our lives.

 

[LittleJem]

1000 % to everything you have all said.

I need this forum. I would be lost without it. I would be alone in hell. I hate that you are all in hell too on this forum, but at least we are not alone.

The fact that there is nowhere it is okay to say out loud I WANT TO BE DEAD, does not mean it is not true. I don't want to be alone with this torture.

Thank you all for being here. And maybe because I am on some very good weed at the moment I want to say I love you Moderators and all who keep this site going. Admins and community. Thank you all and a big thank you to @Marquis for all that you do.

I really panicked when I couldn't find the site, and so relieved to find it again. I've been on here I don't know how long for, I was suffering for years before I found this forum, and it is a great source of support for me. Just somewhere to go where I can say what is really going on and how much I want it over does help me continue fighting for now, even if in future after all this suffering I respect my own choice and decision when the time is right to CTB.

 

[BornofDust]

There are too many organizations telling people how to live and what to say. Some of those attack this site, not because they have an understanding of this site and the people who gather here but they want to do good. They take up causes to make themselves feel great and look important. They are also the people who refuse to take responsibility for their actions. They deflect by blaming other people, organizations and objects for their actions. My favorite example, a drunk driver runs a stop sign and is hit and killed by oncoming traffic. The family blames the intersection and stop sign for causing the accident. They petition the state who closes the unsafe intersection. The result, they impact people who used that intersection in their commute and must now take a longer route to get home. But they got the dangerous intersection closed and "lives saved". These organizations do the same type of attack on groups like ours. They attack us because of the anger of the families of those who exited. Maybe the families need to step back and look at the lives of their loved ones. They need to ask about the pain and suffering that a person was going through when that person decided to exit. It is amazing how little empathy society has for those of using who suffer both physically and mentally. They reject us out of hand telling us that things will get better with time, suck it up and don't let things bother you so much. I am glad these groups and the people who join them have such perfect lives. Not all of us do.

Yeah. Exactly. It just takes simple self-reflection. It's easier to blame something for your pain then to look at your emotions deeply, accept what happen, and try to look at yourself( not blaming them for what happened). All that energy against us could be use to advocate for better Mental Health.

 

[wordsonscreen]

what could we do?

cry?

 

[FarAcrossTheWater]

Have the mods considered moving this to the dark web?

 

[wordsonscreen]

Have the mods considered moving this to the dark web?

yes yes this would be good.
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