Discussion What restriction would you put on assisted suicide ? if any

[silence of death]

I was talking to someone the other day, and he kept saying if you were to allow assisted suicide, then it's counter intuitive to put restriction on it, that anyone should be able to do it

but i didn't agree, what about a child wanting to die because some tik tok stuff, obviously we need a certain age to be able to do it, a full head, it needs to be something you've been thinking for years and not an urge of the moment
also we can talk about chronicaly ill people that suffer everyday, if your own body wants to kill you then what's the point ?

any thoughts ?

 

[FuneralCry]

There should never be any restrictions on suicide, and to want to gatekeep a peaceful suicide so that it's only a privilege for certain people is something that is so incredibly cruel, it's inhumane to try and force people to delay the inevitable against their wishes and leave them with no choice but to resort to risky and brutal suicide methods.

Without the option of a peaceful suicide, existence is both imprisonment and slavery, it's replusive to want to make someone a prisoner to this existence where they are paying the price all because other people were selfish enough to so cruelly procreate, I don't believe that people deserve to be horrifically punished by being denied access to a peaceful suicide.

And anyway any arguments about restricting suicide methods are centred around delusions of existence having "value" when the reality is that existence is so futile and meaningless with everything being forgotten about in death, we are all destined for nowhere but to die so all that allowing the option of a peaceful suicide would do, is prevent worthless and unnecessary suffering. It's undeniable that after all existing is just a process of slowly dying, nobody should be obligated to delay the inevitable and anyone should be able to exit peacefully when they want to.

In such a harmful and chaotic world the only relief lies in death and I think that wanting suicide is perfectly logical, I see suicide as being self care. This is because to die solves what the ultimate problem is which is existence in itself, as without existence one cannot suffer.

 

[loopdaloop]

To legalize suicide kits for a dignified death (e.g. N) on the white market. The only regulation for selling these kits should be an age restriction for 25 and above, to be allowed to make such irreversible decision. The government should not have a monopoly on assisted suicide... But they clearly want wage slaves, that's why legalizing suicide kits would never happen. Of course assist with voluntary euthanasia anyone who's terminally ill and suffering regardless of age, but if they're under 25 it should be a decision that the family and doctors agree upon.

Nowadays suicide is still only semi-legal and suicide methods have to be sold on the unregulated black market, that even a child (if smart enough) could get their hands on them... Suicidal people are pushed to do illegal stuff to earn a dignified death. Kinda sucks.

Edit : On second thought this idea would go wrong because people could buy a suicide kit and then force someone else to use it (homicide disguised as a suicide is a lot easier if suicide is legal) . I guess you could combat this by creating "suicide facilities" that are private - you walk in, buy a kit and use it only inside the facility. But then why not enforce voluntary euthanasia. I haven't thought about this too much.

 

[TAW122]

I know that there may be people who won't fully agree with me, but just realistically and logically speaking, I do believe some safeguards should be present. Mainly a waiting period and being of the age of majority (18 in most countries).

Of course, I have stated before and will reiterate, just because there is an age requirement, it doesn't mean it should be a blanket ban/restriction on people under 18 who want to CTB, especially those who are terminally ill, or severely ill. It is a case-by-case basis and if a minor who is severely ill or even terminally ill, they should be granted the right to a peaceful, dignified exit (in my opinion), albeit there may be more checks and safeguards as well as parental/guardian input on it (because it is a minor rather than a full, legal adult).

Additionally, with waiting periods, this allows multiple chances for a person to change their mind and also not impulsively choose to CTB without giving it a second thought (in the event one changes one's mind). Also, with the waiting period, this allows the process to be documented and all the correct procedures followed (including checking for whether the person is truly choosing out of their own volition, not being pressured, not being coerced or coached into dying (since I believe without any safeguards, it is ripe for abuse and misuse), and of course having a competency test (objective one, not subjective bullshit) to ensure the person knows that they are choosing the option clearly and not under duress, under the influence of mind altering substances (e.g. should be sober when making the decision, not impaired), and having capacity.) Of course, depending on the ailment, the waiting period could be longer or shorter, but not excessively long (e.g. many years), but maybe like 6 months - 1 year for non-terminal illnesses (could be shorter/longer, depending on circumstance of course), but for terminal illnesses, it is much shorter, usually within 2-3 months (or even shorter depending on the prognosis).

Other than that, I don't believe there should be much more red tape with the option of assisted suicide for adults of legal age, of sound mind, and consenting to die.

 

[Forever Sleep]

Just my opinion but- over 18- unless there are debhilitating health issues- in which case- younger. The individual, parents and doctors should make the choice together with regards to children in my view.

Some sort of assessment to make sure the person is of sound mind- ie. understands the decision and all its implications. I also think a six month waiting period in which the person is OFFERED treatment/ support would be good- to try and filter out impulsive attempts. However- I don't think the offer of assisted dying should be contingent on a person accepting that treatment. So long as they can show they understand the decision- it should be theirs to make.

While this wouldn't be compulsory- I imagine clinics would ideally want the knowledge and support of the person's close family- especially if they are young- to avoid legal action being taken against them. Alternatively- I would have thought the opinions of doctors would be useful for elderly patients- in case their greedy relatives were trying to bump them off.

 

[SpiderLink]

I was talking to someone the other day, and he kept saying if you were to allow assisted suicide, then it's counter intuitive to put restriction on it, that anyone should be able to do it

but i didn't agree, what about a child wanting to die because some tik tok stuff, obviously we need a certain age to be able to do it, a full head, it needs to be something you've been thinking for years and not an urge of the moment
also we can talk about chronicaly ill people that suffer everyday, if your own body wants to kill you then what's the point ?

any thoughts ?

Honestly everything has restrictions if you think about it, this shouldn't be a process within a short period. I don't think minors should, and I think it depends on the individual's situation, I've also heard that a lot of people sign up and they use that as a back up to get out if life gets tough. I haven't done huge research, but enough to know (for mental illness)

 

[Torabol]

A certain cutoff age, and after exhausting all alternatives. This would be a few years process.

This is my opinion, if you get upset over it, I don't care to know. But I'll be happy to discuss it in a calm and charitable manner otherwise.