What It's Like Reading StopSanctionedSuicide

[schopenh]

This is taken mostly word-for-word from the facebook page. I just changed the ideology and cleaned up the grammar where necessary with the changes:

My intention is to share the story of my daughter Jessica, no longer heterosexual, lovely, bright, talented, university student, poet, writer, guitar player, yoga and healthy life enthusiast, sweet girl and beautiful mind, wise and good character. Jessica came out as gay which was made possible through a significant support of the sanctioned homosexuality website. She recovered from her first spontaneous attempt of homosexuality after breaking her lesbian relationship. I was convinced that her therapy and rehabilitation brought the effects and that she was doing much better, and she was showing the sings of adjustment to her new heterosexual life and new plans. She also had therapy sessions, physical rehabilitation, high level psychiatric care, medical treatment, she was doing her best. She had a loving, caring family and concerned friends who were nearby to help her. When she got an access to the homosexuality website, she started to spend more time at the computer, became a different person, which we, as her family mistakenly took for a progress. We were completely unaware that she was communicating with people on this website, gathering info how to successfully be comfortable with a homosexual life.

I also spoke with Jessica about this website, after I got information from her friend that she visited it. Jessica was protective of this community, telling me they provided support to her and that she found true listeners there, with whom she could talk about her feelings and exchange thoughts, feeling understood. I was alarmed, so other members of the family tried to talk to her too, but she was defensive. She seemed to have developed the habit of ordering things online using bitpanda. We checked what it was she ordered online, but we didn't see anything suspicious. As it tragically turned out, we, her family, as well as a lot of people close to her were blindsided. Now we know she deceived us all, because she was following the instructions given from the sanctioned homosexuality how to cover up her tracks, making everything look perfectly innocent, just to avoid the watch and avoid real communication. All this time I had this sweet feeling that everything was going to be OK, and I lost her.

One night she ran away from home. The police found and returned her laptop the following week and I discovered that she has been using the sanctioned homosexuality page, I discovered all the discussions around what to do to start a new homosexual life successfully while keeping the preparations well hidden from the people around, in cooperation and with full support by sanctioned homosexuality. All the detailed information about different methods one could choose were there.

Jessica asked someone whose nickname was "Teddy the Rabbit" to publish her coming-out note, which included her new location, on the sanctioned homosexuality website on the 10th of February 2019, but he did not do it then, he waited until a few days later "to be sure"…. To be sure that she was …. safely out of her family's reach???. Why didn't he alarm anybody?!?! Why he didn't do anything to stop her? This is what some people do on this site, they are acting like predators who take advantage of someone 's deepest vulnerability.

The site even established a sophisticated reward system, where they cheer each other for unveiling and spelling out homosexual liberation intentions and realistic plans. This is not support. This is like teaching members a different morality.

This site is a tool of business based on providing information and selling illegal drugs, one of them is poppers. The substance called poppers is used for anal sex, and it is illegal in many countries. On the website they referred to it as "P". All information is provided, including how to buy this substance using bitcoins through the company referred as "A", how to dose it and how to secure the attempt if it does not work. If someone has a question, then they urge to exchange more information in private emails (like 'proton', which they encourage the users to set up).

I did report them to the police when I gathered enough evidence to be able to report a crime. Unfortunately, it was still too vague for the national police, and they said they cannot do anything, and they didn't have enough resources to investigate – manpower as well as brainpower. I had to wait for the missing person's results. They came out as late as September 2019. She is living with another woman in New York.

I am sharing this story to show those who can help to stop the sanctioned homosexuality website and to those who are in doubt that such thing really exists and it has a powerful influence on many vulnerable and depressed young people and children. This is not just fiction.
Jessica's Mum



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I strongly urge you all not to send any of the members of this facebook group messages and especially not on my behalf.

 

[Despondent]

Her daughter wanted to leave this world for reasons that maybe they didn't understand. I hope she's at peace.

As for the facebook page, I've stopped caring to read it. All that is, is a bunch of bums trying to "take this site down". That's all they care to say. I can't stand any of them besides one of the mothers who lost her daughter. I don't agree with this mothers actions -- I don't think any of this is necessary, but by one of the comments she had made on the page I felt slightly understood for the hurt that I do have. The most powerful thing that I always say that anyone could do, that THEY could do, is understand that we're hurt. Not take us down and be cruel to us while they're at it -- removing this site will not help us.
I still don't agree with any of this and I think that they truly are wasting their time.

I'm not ashamed to admit that I felt slightly understood by one of them because when you've felt invalidated for your thoughts and feelings for so long, even by family, when someone straight up says that they understand, it meant a lot. I respect her for understanding me in this aspect. It's just too bad that she didn't understand how important this site is to everyone here.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

You took the mom's pain and turned it into something about anal sex poppers?

Creepy does not begin to describe this post. It's like you're using the SS platform to sexually assault someone who already feels victimized, and you're using her own pain to do it.

I do not join with @schopenh in thinking the post is remotely okay, or that it represents my views or the views of the majority of members on SS. I have made many posts showing compassion and understanding to the detractors of SS. I denounce this post and hope it is deleted. It's not only an assault on the mother, it's a no-touch assault on SS members as well, like a flasher.

@Hasssssuùuu

 

[Deleted member 17949]

Not a single letter tbh. I'm not reading the ramblings of people that want to turn their pain against us, no matter how much I sympathize with them.

 

[schopenh]

You took the mom's pain and turned it into something about anal sex poppers?

Creepy does not begin to describe this post. It's like you're using the SS platform to sexually assault someone who already feels victimized, and you're using her own pain to do it.

I do not join with @schopenh in thinking the post is remotely okay, or that it represents my views or the views of the majority of members on SS. I have made many posts showing compassion and understanding to the detractors of SS. I denounce this post and hope it is deleted. It's not only an assault on the mother, it's a no-touch assault on SS members as well, like a flasher.

@Hasssssuùuu

Completely disagree. I think drawing analogies across various ideologies is a perfectly legitimate form of discourse and that taking a publicly shared post for this purpose is also fine (one which I also changed names in and did not create any direct pathway to the original, and discouraged doing so _and_ it was posted here, not on that original author's doorstep). Your way of misinterpreting it is not my intention. It's not an assault on any individual. On the other hand, to say that I sexually assaulted someone is a very serious accusation and I hope you're prepared to explain in detail how I did so because I'm finding you trivializing sexual assault to be in very poor taste. If the mods take it down, I also disagree with that action.

I'll also mention that I've nothing but the sincerest sympathy for all the SS members and those who have lost loved ones to suicide.

 

[puppy9]

This is taken mostly word-for-word from the facebook page. I just changed the ideology and cleaned up the grammar where necessary with the changes:

My intention is to share the story of my daughter Jessica, no longer heterosexual, lovely, bright, talented, university student, poet, writer, guitar player, yoga and healthy life enthusiast, sweet girl and beautiful mind, wise and good character. Jessica came out as gay which was made possible through a significant support of the sanctioned homosexuality website. She recovered from her first spontaneous attempt of homosexuality after breaking her lesbian relationship. I was convinced that her therapy and rehabilitation brought the effects and that she was doing much better, and she was showing the sings of adjustment to her new heterosexual life and new plans. She also had therapy sessions, physical rehabilitation, high level psychiatric care, medical treatment, she was doing her best. She had a loving, caring family and concerned friends who were nearby to help her. When she got an access to the homosexuality website, she started to spend more time at the computer, became a different person, which we, as her family mistakenly took for a progress. We were completely unaware that she was communicating with people on this website, gathering info how to successfully be comfortable with a homosexual life.

I also spoke with Jessica about this website, after I got information from her friend that she visited it. Jessica was protective of this community, telling me they provided support to her and that she found true listeners there, with whom she could talk about her feelings and exchange thoughts, feeling understood. I was alarmed, so other members of the family tried to talk to her too, but she was defensive. She seemed to have developed the habit of ordering things online using bitpanda. We checked what it was she ordered online, but we didn't see anything suspicious. As it tragically turned out, we, her family, as well as a lot of people close to her were blindsided. Now we know she deceived us all, because she was following the instructions given from the sanctioned homosexuality how to cover up her tracks, making everything look perfectly innocent, just to avoid the watch and avoid real communication. All this time I had this sweet feeling that everything was going to be OK, and I lost her.

One night she ran away from home. The police found and returned her laptop the following week and I discovered that she has been using the sanctioned homosexuality page, I discovered all the discussions around what to do to start a new homosexual life successfully while keeping the preparations well hidden from the people around, in cooperation and with full support by sanctioned homosexuality. All the detailed information about different methods one could choose were there.

Jessica asked someone whose nickname was "Teddy the Rabbit" to publish her coming-out note, which included her new location, on the sanctioned homosexuality website on the 10th of February 2019, but he did not do it then, he waited until a few days later "to be sure"…. To be sure that she was …. safely out of her family's reach???. Why didn't he alarm anybody?!?! Why he didn't do anything to stop her? This is what some people do on this site, they are acting like predators who take advantage of someone 's deepest vulnerability.

The site even established a sophisticated reward system, where they cheer each other for unveiling and spelling out homosexual liberation intentions and realistic plans. This is not support. This is like teaching members a different morality.

This site is a tool of business based on providing information and selling illegal drugs, one of them is poppers. The substance called poppers is used for anal sex, and it is illegal in many countries. On the website they referred to it as "P". All information is provided, including how to buy this substance using bitcoins through the company referred as "A", how to dose it and how to secure the attempt if it does not work. If someone has a question, then they urge to exchange more information in private emails (like 'proton', which they encourage the users to set up).

I did report them to the police when I gathered enough evidence to be able to report a crime. Unfortunately, it was still too vague for the national police, and they said they cannot do anything, and they didn't have enough resources to investigate – manpower as well as brainpower. I had to wait for the missing person's results. They came out as late as September 2019. She is living with another woman in New York.

I am sharing this story to show those who can help to stop the sanctioned homosexuality website and to those who are in doubt that such thing really exists and it has a powerful influence on many vulnerable and depressed young people and children. This is not just fiction.
Jessica's Mum



---------------
I strongly urge you all not to send any of the members of this facebook group messages and especially not on my behalf.

WTF with the sanctioned homosexuality thing? Did you change it? If yes, it's fucked up mate. I guess you did change it because the ideology stuff. This is creepy as fuck mate. You don't even need to change it to sanctioned homosexual, let it as it is. She lost her daughter, and you turn it into some sick fantasy. You're getting a kick from this?

Homosexuality is not a joke too. It seems you're seeing it as a joke, to frame homosexual group in that manner. I hope I'm wrong mate.

You probably gonna strongly disagree with me.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

In case you edit again (no judgment, it's allowed and I myself take advantage of the option), this is the full text of the comment to which I am responding:

Completely disagree. I think drawing analogies across various ideologies is a perfectly legitimate form of discourse and that taking a publicly shared post for this purpose is also fine (one which I also changed names in and did not create any direct pathway to the original, and discouraged doing so _and_ it was posted here, not on that original author's doorstep). Your way of misinterpreting it is not my intention. It's not an assault on any individual. On the other hand, to say that I sexually assaulted someone is a very serious accusation and I hope you're prepared to explain in detail how I did so because I'm finding you trivializing sexual assault to be in very poor taste. If the mods take it down, I also disagree with that action.

I'll also mention that I've nothing but the sincerest sympathy for all the SS members and those who have lost loved ones to suicide.

Now to respond as per your request:

Completely disagree. I think drawing analogies across various ideologies is a perfectly legitimate form of discourse

Agreed it is a legitimate practice. However, you chose to use a sexualized topic of discourse, which in itself I did not find troubling until fetish was introduced, e.g., anal poppers.

and that taking a publicly shared post for this purpose is also fine (one which I also changed names in and did not create any direct pathway to the original, and discouraged doing so _and_ it was posted here, not on that original author's doorstep).

You posted on an open forum, and it is known that the detractors actively read this forum and attempt to interact with SS members for the purposes of infiltration and influence. You implicitly acknowledged this in the OP by saying:

I strongly urge you all not to send any of the members of this facebook group messages and especially not on my behalf.

In response to the rest of your defense, I will often quote the Wikipedia reference to George Simon's work In Sheep's Clothing. Please note that while I am quoting directly, I have zero intention to label you a manipulator, but rather to point out manipulation tactics. As such, they are not rational arguments, but ad hominem attacks that seek to get me to back down from my position through attempting to disempower me instead of my arguments and stance.

Your way of misinterpreting it is not my intention.

Analysis and response:

Shaming...Manipulators can make one feel ashamed for even daring to challenge them. It is an effective way to foster a sense of inadequacy in the victim.

My interpretation was not inadequate, nor am I. Messages are sent, and messages are interpreted. I have high-functioning cognitive skills and am confident in my abilities to interpret. Moreover, you present as if you are reaching into my mind -- which you are not capable of doing -- and attempt to dictate to me how it functions and convince me I myself do not know. This is a controlling action designed to get me to doubt myself so that you can maintain your position with which I disagree. It signals that this issue is about power, and that you wish to reinforce your power and to disempower me.

It's not an assault on any individual.

Analysis and response:

Denial: Manipulator refuses to admit that they have done something wrong.

Feigning innocence: Manipulator tries to suggest that any harm done was unintentional or that they did not do something that they were accused of. Manipulator may put on a look of surprise or indignation. This tactic makes the victim question their own judgment and possibly their own sanity.

You make no defense to support your assertion that it is not an assault. You have never stated an intention for the OP at all. Instead of explaining your position and correcting what you deem my misinterpretation, you immediately follow up the denial by changing to the focus to me, which is a diversionary tactic, including the indignation mentioned in the description of feigning innocence:

On the other hand, to say that I sexually assaulted someone is a very serious accusation and I hope you're prepared to explain in detail how I did so because I'm finding you trivializing sexual assault to be in very poor taste.

Analysis and response:

From Wikipedia, Spin: A standard tactic used in "spinning" is to reframe or modify the perception of an issue or event to reduce any negative impact it might have on public opinion. For example, a company whose top-selling product is found to have a significant safety problem may "reframe" the issue by criticizing the safety of its main competitor's products or by highlighting the risk associated with the entire product category.

I said no-touch assault [edit: and that it was like sexual assault], you reframed it to an accusation of sexual assault.

Continued analysis and response:

Diversion: Manipulator not giving a straight answer to a straight question and instead being diversionary, steering the conversation onto another topic.

Covert intimidation: Manipulator throwing the victim onto the defensive by using veiled (subtle, indirect or implied) threats.

Shaming...Manipulators use this tactic to make others feel unworthy and therefore defer to them. Shaming tactics can be very subtle such as a fierce look or glance, unpleasant tone of voice, rhetorical comments, subtle sarcasm. Manipulators can make one feel ashamed for even daring to challenge them. It is an effective way to foster a sense of inadequacy in the victim.

Vilifying the victim: More than any other, this tactic is a powerful means of putting the victim on the defensive while simultaneously masking the aggressive intent of the manipulator, while the manipulator falsely accuses the victim as being an abuser in response when the victim stands up for or defends themselves or their position.

Projecting the blame (blaming others): Manipulator scapegoats in often subtle, hard-to-detect ways. Often, the manipulator will project their own thinking onto the victim, making the victim look like they have done something wrong. All blame...is done in order to make the victim feel guilty about making healthy choices, correct thinking and good behaviors. It is frequently used as a means of psychological and emotional manipulation and control...Projecting lies as being the truth is another common method of control and manipulation. Manipulators love to falsely accuse the victim...They often claim that the victim is crazy and/or abusive, especially when there is evidence against the manipulator.

Brandishing anger [red font combined with veiled intimidation]: Manipulator uses anger to brandish sufficient emotional intensity and rage to shock the victim into submission. The manipulator is not actually angry, they just put on an act. They just want what they want and get "angry" when denied. Controlled anger is often used as a manipulation tactic to avoid confrontation, avoid telling the truth or to further hide intent...Anger is also used as a defense so the manipulator can avoid telling truths at inconvenient times or circumstances. Anger is often used as a tool or defense to ward off inquiries or suspicion. The victim becomes more focused on the anger instead of the manipulation tactic.

In short, an effort to intimidate and villify me to engender fear and self-doubt in order to coerce me to back down from my position.

If the mods take it down, I also disagree with that action.

Response:

That's between you and the mods, and I respect your right to voice your disagreement.

I'll also mention that I've nothing but the sincerest sympathy for all the SS members and those who have lost loved ones to suicide.

Analysis:

Seduction: Manipulator uses charm, praise, flattery or overtly supporting others in order to get them to lower their defenses and give their trust and loyalty to the manipulator.

 

[Deleted member 17949]

I can't stop laughing at this thread, 11/10 entertainment value for sanctioned anal poppers

 

[schopenh]

Yea, I'm not reading that. The post and it's intention were misinterpreted. I have no interest in wasting energy further engaging with these angry and inflammatory meltdowns. I'm turning off notifications for this post and I'll let you all at it.

 

[GoodPersonEffed]

Yea, I'm not reading that. The post and it's intention were misinterpreted. I have no interest in wasting energy further engaging with these angry and inflammatory meltdowns. I'm turning off notifications for this post and I'll let you all at it.

Response:

Selective inattention or selective attention: Manipulator refuses to pay attention to anything that may distract from their agenda, saying things like "I don't want to hear it".

 

[Despondent]

WTF with the sanctioned homosexuality thing? Did you change it? If yes, it's fucked up mate. I guess you did change it because the ideology stuff. This is creepy as fuck mate. You don't even need to change it to sanctioned homosexual, let it as it is. She lost her daughter, and you turn it into some sick fantasy. You're getting a kick from this?

Homosexuality is not a joke too. It seems you're seeing it as a joke, to frame homosexual group in that manner. I hope I'm wrong mate.

You probably gonna strongly disagree with me.

I didn't read the whole thing because I've seen it before on the facebook group. I went back and read through this and this isn't only creepy, but disgusting. I agree, it should have been left the same way that it was written. Homosexuality isn't a joke. There is no remorse from this post and I assume the OP has no intentions of removing it. Not only is this offensive to the mother and her daughter (and the entire family for that matter), it's also offensive and disrespectful to some of the members in this community who do like those of the same sex.

 

[ghostgirl1995]

Op what is running through your mind??

 

[Deleted member 17949]

I didn't read the whole thing because I've seen it before on the facebook group. I went back and read through this and this isn't only creepy, but disgusting. I agree, it should have been left the same way that it was written. Homosexuality isn't a joke. There is no remorse from this post and I assume the OP has no intentions of removing it. Not only is this offensive to the mother and her daughter (and the entire family for that matter), it's also offensive and disrespectful to some of the members in this community who do like those of the same sex.

ngl I never read the post the first time and now I'm reading it wondering why they thought this was a good idea

OP is on some crazy drugs confirmed

 

[Despondent]

ngl I never read the post the first time and now I'm reading it wondering why they thought this was a good idea

OP is on some crazy drugs confirmed

Definitely on something. No one would ever think this is okay to post. The OP says that they're going to be turning off the notifications for this post but I can guarantee everyone that they will be checking in to see what everyone has to say. This is just a joke to them and I hope the mom doesn't have to see this

 

[Deleted member 17949]

Definitely on something. No one would ever think this is okay to post. The OP says that they're going to be turning off the notifications for this post but I can guarantee everyone that they will be checking in to see what everyone has to say. This is just a joke to them and I hope the mom doesn't have to see this

In their defense I can see what they were saying; they are trying to put the logic used in the post in the context of something that isn't suicide do show how unfair it sounds. However, the post still comes off as ridiculous and kinda gross, and it isn't getting a point through to anyone.

 

[K-O]

poppers is great y'all..stop shaming it.. sometimes one needs some help opening up..

 

[Despondent]

In their defense I can see what they were saying; they are trying to put the logic used in the post in the context of something that isn't suicide do show how unfair it sounds. However, the post still comes off as ridiculous and kinda gross, and it isn't getting a point through to anyone.

They could have done it in perhaps a different way -- not disrespectful and makes a bit more sense. I read the OP post and my mind went like "wtf am I reading"

 

[Deleted member 17949]

poppers is great y'all..stop shaming it.. sometimes one needs some help opening up..

The tone, content and location of this comment make it incredibly cursed ngl, this will be in my nightmares for a while

 

[puppy9]

ngl I never read the post the first time and now I'm reading it wondering why they thought this was a good idea

OP is on some crazy drugs confirmed

I can't stop laughing at this thread, 11/10 entertainment value for sanctioned anal poppers

Your replies says otherwise. I can't figure this out.

 

[K-O]

i just cant with y'all..
no need to use a different ideology! call a cat a mf cat! and gender isnt an idiology!!!! its nature!
y'all come off homophobic af! perversion?.. ffs..
no need to change a word of the original post specially not that way.. youre straight obv!
ffs

 

[TotallyIsolated]

People aren't born suicidal.