What is the point of suffering?

[divinemistress36]

I've been asking friends and family what is the point of living if ones life is always suffering and no joy? Nobody can answer me..

 

[sserafim]

There is no point except to generate loosh for the archons (if you believe in prison planet theory)

 

[WhatPowerIs]

They say "suffering builds character" but it can also completely ruin you and turn you into a shell of a person so clearly suffering doesn't really help anybody, if it ever even did anyway.

 

[divinemistress36]

They say "suffering builds character" but it can also completely ruin you and turn you into a shell of a person so clearly suffering doesn't really help anybody, if it ever even did anyway.

It's made me a neurotic pessimistic person

 

[WhatPowerIs]

It's made me a neurotic pessimistic person

Me too.

 

[hikikomorizombie]

a prolifer would say, 'bc w/o suffering, how would we know happiness??' always thought that was the most ridiculous argument. like i don't need to get 3rd degree burns to know that it fucking hurts & i don't want to experience it, lol. same w suffering.

 

[sserafim]

a prolifer would say, 'bc w/o suffering, how would we know happiness??' always thought that was the most ridiculous argument. like i don't need to get 3rd degree burns to know that it fucking hurts & i don't want to experience it, lol. same w suffering.

Literally. I don't know why pro-lifers always think it's a trade off. Happiness is happiness regardless of whether you've experienced suffering or not, and vice versa. Just because you experienced happiness doesn't negate your suffering, you still suffered. Unfortunately the pain and suffering in life far outweighs the happiness and joy, so it's not an equal trade-off. There will always be more suffering than happiness, there's endless amounts of suffering and ways to suffer while happiness is far and in between, there are only fleeting moments of joy. And no one wants to voluntarily experience pain and suffering, whoever does is delusional or literally insane. I think that pro-lifers believe that the transient moments of happiness make life worth living, they don't seem to care that the majority of their life is suffering, they only focus on the little amounts of joy that they get. Pro-lifers also believe that "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger" and other bullshit. Their most delusional belief is that suffering is noble and that it's a badge of honor to suffer and tough it out. I think they're honestly just masochists or something…

They say "suffering builds character" but it can also completely ruin you and turn you into a shell of a person so clearly suffering doesn't really help anybody, if it ever even did anyway.

Some people thrive under pressure while others crack under it. I saw a saying like "the same water that hardens/boils the egg softens the potato". I don't know why pro-lifers all view people as the same; people are unique individuals. What may work for one person might not work for another.

 

[divinemistress36]

a prolifer would say, 'bc w/o suffering, how would we know happiness??' always thought that was the most ridiculous argument. like i don't need to get 3rd degree burns to know that it fucking hurts & i don't want to experience it, lol. same w suffering.

Some of us haven't really experienced happiness though they are so delusional

 

[Itssoover]

Suffering IS your brain telling your life IS shit. Input Bad, brain proccesses IT, Output Bad = suffering. Basicly you are dependant of external inluences and If those are Shit you suffer badly.

 

[R_N]

There is no purpose to it. The sad thing is how people are trained to torture themselves with thoughts about things society deem important.

Rarely anyone will teach you how to relax and come to terms with unpredictable life. They just set high expectations and make alternative seem worse than anything.

 

[cold_severance]

other people wouldn't tell you this, but its to make them feel good in comparison, thats all. and biologically its a cause for action, like repeat good stuff, avoid bad stuff, more complex interactions werent really intended.

 

[FuneralCry]

I could never see a point regardless of the circumstances, to me existence is something completely futile and unnecessary, to have the ability to exist is very undesirable in every way possible. All that existing beings are doing is just slowly dying and waiting to die in this existence that was always pointless in the first place, all that's inevitable is for this existence to permanently disappears into nothingness where all will finally be forgotten about.

I'm always repulsed by those people who wish to force others to suffer so senselessly despite the fact that all suffering is meaningless anyway, I'd personally prefer to avoid all suffering and I always see it as unacceptable which is why only the state of non-existence is ideal to me as it's the permanent absence of all harm and torment

 

[strangelife]

A neurological disease that deprives me of strength and turns me into a disabled person makes life meaningless and the meaning of life completely disappears when day after day you do not enjoy life, and I am only 41 and I really wanted to live and now I do not see the point in it, only for the sake of my loved ones, but they do not understand my torment

 

[ijustwishtodie]

There is no point to suffering. Absolutely none. At best a lesser magnitude of suffering could be experienced to prevent a greater magnitude of suffering from happening down the line but even this type of suffering has no point either and it doesn't justify existence or suffering in general

 

[divinemistress36]

A neurological disease that deprives me of strength and turns me into a disabled person makes life meaningless and the meaning of life completely disappears when day after day you do not enjoy life, and I am only 41 and I really wanted to live and now I do not see the point in it, only for the sake of my loved ones, but they do not understand my torment

I have a brain injury I definitely understand neurological issues. It's Hell

 

[Buildingsandcastles]

My family can never come up with a logical reason to my questions like that and yet they grasp onto this idea that something will just magically change one day. They go "maybe one day you'll feel joy and find something that will make you want to live".... after 20 years even though no one has suggestions on how that would happen. Super logical lol. I wonder how many of us here have brain injury? I've wanted to die since way before it but it has made it so much harder to go through the bullshit motions I don't even want to do.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

It's part of a biological process finely tuned by millions of years of evolution to drive the trillions of cells comprising our bodies into fulfilling certain needs whether it's physical or emotional or otherwise. Suffering comes from existence because without suffering there is no motivation to eat, drink, breathe, self-actualize, or whatever else these electrical signals decided they want for us today.

 

[sanction]

Life is just so damn shitty and pointless for most people, but simply because CTB is way too difficult, so many have no choice but to be stuck here. Then while they're here, they also rather not face the truth, because would just make their time here suck even more, so they keep coming up with different reasons to escape the truth, as coping mechanism

Also because they still need to go to work the next morning, so will make it hard to do their jobs properly if they're constantly depressed. Or they have a family to raise, so they need to keep their mood up, otherwise won't be able to get through it, and everything will crash

We're all just here stuck to do time, going through this super random and pointless journey. Many are afraid to face reality, because it will mean depression/ suicidal, which is too overwhelming for most people. Will mean they've been living a lie their whole life, and all their efforts were actually meaningless. They want to avoid that feeling

Thats why so many people want to believe in HEAVEN lol. Because thats their final hope. Once they realize even that is bullshit, thats when they go seek therapy and antidepressants lol

 

[Adûnâi]

The point of life is that your dad didn't wear a condom, and your mom didn't do an abortion.

(Feel free to disregard this if it sounds offensive, I'm autistic and direct. I bitch to my mom constantly about the abortion - don't talk to my dad though.)

 

[Bianka]

To put joy into perspective. All feelings are meaningless if they're constant and you don't experience the opposite. That's what gives them any comprehensible value if you ask me

 

[divinemistress36]

My family can never come up with a logical reason to my questions like that and yet they grasp onto this idea that something will just magically change one day. They go "maybe one day you'll feel joy and find something that will make you want to live".... after 20 years even though no one has suggestions on how that would happen. Super logical lol. I wonder how many of us here have brain injury? I've wanted to die since way before it but it has made it so much harder to go through the bullshit motions I don't even want to do.

My family is the same way. You have a brain injury to?

 

[333s]

ahhh the same sad story
mean no hate but it's always the side a vs the side b and neither of them want to listen to each other
only to translate their personal experience on other people which is meaningless and meanfull (sometimes)
other people do can feel joy and that's the point of their living (suffering) mostly
to feel the joy again no care about the suffering part
thats why they cannot answer that question
its like people who cant stand diets because food is soo tasty!!! why thinking about the diabetes/obesity/etc then? yeah that hurts but eating pleasures more

and pro lifers just turn the table like why suffer if there is happiness??? just find your peace dont kill yourself your so sexy aha
unable to understand different view on world and that every person has its own individual experience

 

[sserafim]

a prolifer would say, 'bc w/o suffering, how would we know happiness??' always thought that was the most ridiculous argument. like i don't need to get 3rd degree burns to know that it fucking hurts & i don't want to experience it, lol. same w suffering.

I've heard that 3rd degree burns are actually the least painful because your nerve endings are destroyed so you can't even feel anything.

If only the nerve endings in my mind could get destroyed…

 

[Buildingsandcastles]

My family is the same way. You have a brain injury to?

Yes, a childhood TBI started this all. Then a few more bad ones through the years. The ECT finally did me in even though they said it wouldn't be permanent. My brain has been degrading and degrading. No one can do anything for me yet I'm supposed to live for them in constant confusion with so many ill weird effects on top of what I thought couldn't get worse with no compassion. What about you and your experience with brain injury?

 

[divinemistress36]

Yes, a childhood TBI started this all. Then a few more bad ones through the years. The ECT finally did me in even though they said it wouldn't be permanent. My brain has been degrading and degrading. No one can do anything for me yet I'm supposed to live for them in constant confusion with so many ill weird effects on top of what I thought couldn't get worse with no compassion. What about you and your experience with brain injury?

You sound a lot like me. I had a stroke 6 years ago then ECT 3 years ago which messed my brain up the most. They told me it wouldn't be permanent too!

 

[Buildingsandcastles]

You sound a lot like me. I had a stroke 6 years ago then ECT 3 years ago which messed my brain up the most. They told me it wouldn't be permanent too!

I'm so sorry you've been through this too! I'm sure they didn't care to tell you just like they didn't tell me that if someone has prior brain injuries, perment memory loss and other side effects are more likely. The ECT messed the brain up more than I could ever imagine. It would be one thing if it helped, and one thing if I justttt lost my memories. But it did so much more and took away anything I had left to try to keep on fighting or functioning. I didn't fully trust them, but I didn't think it could get worse, and yet now I lost the only thing I had to hold onto- my intelligence, ability, my memories, my sense of self. I would love to hear more about your experiences with it (I don't think i can do dms yet thought?). So few people can really relate. I was part of an etc support group but even though a lot of them had bad side effects and memory and ability loss they felt better and were able to enjoy things so I couldn't damper their mood and speak freely. It's such an isolating experience in so many ways.

 

[divinemistress36]

I'm so sorry you've been through this too! I'm sure they didn't care to tell you just like they didn't tell me that if someone has prior brain injuries, perment memory loss and other side effects are more likely. The ECT messed the brain up more than I could ever imagine. It would be one thing if it helped, and one thing if I justttt lost my memories. But it did so much more and took away anything I had left to try to keep on fighting or functioning. I didn't fully trust them, but I didn't think it could get worse, and yet now I lost the only thing I had to hold onto- my intelligence, ability, my memories, my sense of self. I would love to hear more about your experiences with it (I don't think i can do dms yet thought?). So few people can really relate. I was part of an etc support group but even though a lot of them had bad side effects and memory and ability loss they felt better and were able to enjoy things so I couldn't damper their mood and speak freely. It's such an isolating experience in so many ways.

I believe after you post a certain amount of threads then you can start messaging people. It's barbaric that we have been used as lab rats. I hate that I can't remember memories I had with friends, pets , or jobs. I'm on disabilty cause of this shit. When did you have ECT and how many treatments did you have?

 

[Buildingsandcastles]

I believe after you post a certain amount of threads then you can start messaging people. It's barbaric that we have been used as lab rats. I hate that I can't remember memories I had with friends, pets , or jobs. I'm on disabilty cause of this shit. When did you have ECT and how many treatments did you have?

It is barbaric, and they dismissed any reports of side effects/memory issues. Although part of me feels like it's my fault since I willingly did it as a last hope or as a full self destruction. There are so many memories and parts of ourselves that have been completely obliterated. If someone asks if I've done blank, I can say yes. But I have no memory of it only a picture or a report from others that I did. How were you able to get disability? With my functionality issues I don't know how I would even go about doing that. I'm glad you at least have that though! I don't even know I can't remember. I think my mom said 15-20, 17 is popping up in my mind but I can never know things for sure about myself and my past. It was like August or September 2021 through December 2021 I think. What about you? How many did you have?

 

[divinemistress36]

I think mine were in 2021 too. I had 19. I got a disability lawyer and had a neuropsych evaluation to show the effects of it. ECT is my biggest regret in life. Makes me want to ctb even more than before it

 

[Bianka]

a prolifer would say, 'bc w/o suffering, how would we know happiness??' always thought that was the most ridiculous argument. like i don't need to get 3rd degree burns to know that it fucking hurts & i don't want to experience it, lol. same w suffering.

You do have to know what's pain, what does it feel like to get hurt, what does burning yourself feels like. 3rd degree burn is an extreme example but breaking it down it shows the same thing you're arguing against.