disabledlife

disabledlife

Arcanist
Jun 5, 2020
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I don't know if the question has a place in the forum.

What is after death or ctb?

To clarify, is there a beyond after death. When I announced my project in a vague way or simply asked the question, can suicide impact a possible life beyond death.

People yelled at me saying that it's not good and that hell is waiting for me and that it's cowardly.

I don't believe that a god can punish someone who simply wants to have his end of life, especially if the person suffered from an unjust life (wrongful birth or wrongful life).

No one has ever explained to me why I came into the world and especially why disabled, unlike 90% of the population who is valid (source from the United Nations concerning disability).

Cordially.
 
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restingspot

restingspot

Lucid Dreamer
May 30, 2019
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There's an afterlife speculation thread here :)
 
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Blueberry Jelly

Blueberry Jelly

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Mar 2, 2020
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In the end it all depends on your belief. I don't see any tangible evidence for the existence of any of histories endless parade of gods and first hand accounts of people who have died and came back (operating table) has conflicting information. Most people say nothing, some describe their particular ideas of what they believed the afterlife was going to be... of course one can make the argument that if you died on an operating table and was bruoght back that doctors are more powerful than god, like god was somehow tricked into thinking you were finally dead but those pesky doctors outfoxed him again. I don't know, that thought amuses me.

For me? I sincerely hope it's nothing. I want to die because I'd like to stop existing. Being sentient is what I want to escape, and living amongst fluffy clouds won't really fix that... if it could, I'd of trained to become an airline pilot. But I digress...

What comes after life? Almost certainly nothing. We're tiny fractions of star dust energy given life so that energy can experience itself and death is just the lost of ones current consciousness. Destined to dissolve back into the earth in one way or another, that energy gives new life to grass, plants, sea creatures, or feeds a flame, depending on how your body is handled post mortum. In that way, life continues even after your death, but your conscious self will be lost with the cessation of brain activity. It's impossible to understand what death is like because it's not simply a black void, it's a sudden and complete stop to your entire existence. It's the color of nothing. The taste of the color blue. The sound of a good nickelback song. It is incomprehensible.

That being said it's interesting to consider the possibility of a god or gods. Science tells us you can't have something from nothing. Matter can not create itself... so.. was the universe always here, or was it created? Can science explain that creation? If it was a god who created all things, who created that god. In a long enough time line, there was nothing and suddenly everything... unless of course everything just always existed. But that makes as much sense as a magical creature creating all things.

If there is a god, I don't believe it's one any of earths many religions has ever truly understood. I don't believe it to be full of hate, or full of love. I don't think it's so petty to punish anybody for an eternity for the deeds done over the course of their earthly life, but I don't believe it rewards either. Maybe when you die it lets you choose what kind of afterlife you want, if you want one at all. Or maybe it sends you to a concentration camp style hellish dimension where you're tasked with breaking rocks into smaller rocks for the rest of eternity. Or maybe it lets you sit on a beach of white sand and bright blue waves sipping coconut flavored alcoholic beverages while smoking weed, surrounded by buff guys and voluptuous women? Maybe it lets you become your own god, and you can create and shape a universe all your own, and decide the after life of your own people? Maybe you die and Orpheus is there with a red and blue pill, wanting you to join his resistance. Maybe the silver rain curtain of this world rolls back and all turns to silver glass before you see it, a far green country side under a swift sunrise.

My point is, we don't know. We can't know.
 
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TowerUpright

TowerUpright

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May 26, 2019
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I agree with the point of we can't know.

But, I don't think afterlife is what you believe. I'd love believe that after I die, I'll get recruited into the Green Lantern Corp.. but that isn't happening.

It appears to me that the afterlife, whatever it is, would-be the same for everyone. Religion of course says otherwise. And most of the prevalent religions have very specific rules for different types of afterlives.

I'm willing to change my mind, if someone can show me how it's possible people can have multiple versions of afterlives. Most people's arguments, I've found, have been able to be whittled down to "Because I say so", "This holy text says so", or "Do you really want to believe in a death with no afterlife, because I don't.." Oh, and the proof by intimidation (or in my case yelling).
 
Blueberry Jelly

Blueberry Jelly

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Mar 2, 2020
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I agree with the point of we can't know.

But, I don't think afterlife is what you believe. I'd love believe that after I die, I'll get recruited into the Green Lantern Corp.. but that isn't happening.

It appears to me that the afterlife, whatever it is, would-be the same for everyone. Religion of course says otherwise. And most of the prevalent religions have very specific rules for different types of afterlives.

I'm willing to change my mind, if someone can show me how it's possible people can have multiple versions of afterlives. Most people's arguments, I've found, have been able to be whittled down to "Because I say so", "This holy text says so", or "Do you really want to believe in a death with no afterlife, because I don't.." Oh, and the proof by intimidation (or in my case yelling).

(in my case yelling)

if I'm presuming correctly it sounds like you have a rough childhood, overly religious parents? I'm sorry you had to experience that. I'm a gay atheist who grew up in a religious texas household so i can relate.

I wasn't trying to say the afterlife was what you want it to be, but just giving some examples of what could happen. From reasonable to completely illogical. My ultimate point is that it's impossible to know. some people are so scared of the answer they live an entire miserable life of suffering because they're too scared they might not like the answer... I guess that's the real point of religion.

It's simply to much of a stretch to imagine a magical sky being who created us and only us in an infinite universe who will judge all of us for our every earthly deed. I think if a being like that did exist, it would be too intelligent to say "you didn't enjoy my lifetime of torment and suffering? you shall be punished!"

Nobody asked to be alive. it's unfair to ask us to keep going if it's too hard.
 
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TowerUpright

TowerUpright

Disillusioned
May 26, 2019
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(in my case yelling)

if I'm presuming correctly it sounds like you have a rough childhood, overly religious parents? I'm sorry you had to experience that. I'm a gay atheist who grew up in a religious texas household so i can relate.

I wasn't trying to say the afterlife was what you want it to be, but just giving some examples of what could happen. From reasonable to completely illogical. My ultimate point is that it's impossible to know. some people are so scared of the answer they live an entire miserable life of suffering because they're too scared they might not like the answer... I guess that's the real point of religion.

It's simply to much of a stretch to imagine a magical sky being who created us and only us in an infinite universe who will judge all of us for our every earthly deed. I think if a being like that did exist, it would be too intelligent to say "you didn't enjoy my lifetime of torment and suffering? you shall be punished!"

Nobody asked to be alive. it's unfair to ask us to keep going if it's too hard.

Funny, my childhood was quite the opposite. My family were all Atheists, rather, convenient agnostics. I'm straight, and pretty well accepting of others. I married into a family that are very religious, and I just wanted to be loved. I now realize that my mistake.. years down the road as the family got bigger and my wife became far more fundamentalist and right-wing.

Now, I'm just in this family, until I can exit. Divorce is not an option, as it would completely ostracize her.

Definitely in the camp of where I feel angry that I was never asked to be born and suffer through life. But I hate saying that, because after hearing horrible stories about other people on here, my issues pale in comparison.
 
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AnxietyAttack44

I just wanna go to my husband already.
Jun 5, 2020
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After death or ctb there is no pain and misery of being alive and stuck in situation that we are in.
 
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