What if SN becomes unavailable in the near future?

[Ednospatient]

Are there other semi-easily accessible peaceful methods other than SN and N? I'm worried SN will become unavailable very soon when more people ctb. What methods are out there if this happens? Thankfully I have SN and I heard it will last a very long time if the bag is unopened. But I'm worried about the people who haven't ordered theirs yet. How will they ctb if SN gets removed from the market?

 

[eguiö]

Hanging is the most popular in countries like germany where access is limited.

 

[Ednospatient]

Hanging is the most popular in countries like germany where access is limited.

I've personally tried hanging multiple times and in my opinion it isn't peaceful. I was thinking of something like a prescription drug overdose (I know overdoses are the least successful methods but I know they are possible)

 

[summers]

Heroin will always be relatively cheap and easy to get almost anywhere in the world.

 

[eguiö]

Not a realiable method imo

 

[hankbank3928]

I worry about this too. I'm not sure what the answer is.

 

[houseofleaves]

Heroin will always be relatively cheap and easy to get almost anywhere in the world.

(Heroin?? Cheap???)
and to answer the question: jumping from height, of course! This is a great method. They can't hang suicide nets everywhere.

 

[wljourney]

Have you read the methods described in PPeH?
There are quite a few other options.
I think the DeBreather (while fairly new and little case studies available) is not such a bad option.

 

[Ednospatient]

Are there other chemicals that would do the same job as SN?

 

[summers]

(Heroin?? Cheap???)
and to answer the question: jumping from height, of course! This is a great method. They can't hang suicide nets everywhere.

Relatively cheap. H goes for around $150/g - 2g is around 5x the lethal dose. So $300 for a peaceful, nearly guaranteed exit. That's around half the price of N.

 

[LifeHasNoOptIn]

Heroin will always be relatively cheap and easy to get almost anywhere in the world.

I have often thought of this as an ideal method that can generally be sourced without too much trouble if one is willing to visit the "rough" side of town. Having never done it before though, it seems like there's a bit of a learning curve in the prep and administering part of things. Kinda hard to get a how to for cooking it up and injecting. I have also read some posts that seem to suggest that a lethal dose isn't the slam dunk I would expect it to be as long as not found and administered Naloxone. I kinda have it on my alternatives list for now if sourcing my other preferred methods doesn't work out.

 

[houseofleaves]

Relatively cheap. H goes for around $150/g - 2g is around 5x the lethal dose. So $300 for a peaceful, nearly guaranteed exit. That's around half the price of N.

hm, actually yeah i think you're right

 

[Cathy Ames]

But I'm not sure everyone here would be able to do all the intermediate steps between buying the heroin and getting it into a vein.

 

[thethatisitboy]

I early-bought my SN two years ago because I was fearing that it would become regulated. it's validity was 02/2022. I am going to buy a new one soon.

So early-buying is a thing.

 

[unkuto]

If SN will become unavailable people would find something else instead. Luckily we have dedicated researchers who are working hard on a book and finding a new ways.

 

[UnravelingWinter]

I worry about this too. I'm not sure what the answer is.

You can purify grocery store curing salt (6.25% SN) to 82% purity easily at home with a few things (200 proof non-denatured ethanol, and one 2lb pack of curing salt). It would cost like $85 online for the ethanol though, not sure if price is an issue. Or just boil it down yourself to ~70% purity, though it takes several hours. Most people are taking 20g-25g of it, and with 2g being the lethal dose, even with only 70% purity that's very much overkill.

 

[summers]

But I'm not sure everyone here would be able to do all the intermediate steps between buying the heroin and getting it into a vein.

The vein thing could be an issue. I'm really vascular, so I can hit a vein with my eyes closed. I would have no idea how to get to one that I couldn't easily see. That would require quite a bit of practice. It's doable for sure - a box of 100 insulin syringes is like $20 and bac water about $10 on amazon.

There are plenty of videos on how to cook H. You're not a junkie in a hallway, so don't think you have to resort to a lighter and a spoon.

But still, it's not legal, and finding someone who will sell you several grams without establishing a business relationship is iffy at best.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

That's just all the more reason to have it now rather than wait until it's too late to get any. Funny how any push to make something illegal or more difficult to obtain just makes the demand greater.

 

[Cathy Ames]

The vein thing could be an issue. I'm really vascular, so I can hit a vein with my eyes closed. I would have no idea how to get to one that I couldn't easily see. That would require quite a bit of practice. It's doable for sure - a box of 100 insulin syringes is like $20 and bac water about $10 on amazon.

Given that actual medical professionals have trouble hitting my veins, I'm not convinced that I could ever learn to do it myself. Sounds like a super fun new hobby, though.

 

[eguiö]

(Heroin?? Cheap???)
and to answer the question: jumping from height, of course! This is a great method. They can't hang suicide nets everywhere.

One of the most gruesome and SI inducing as well :/

 

[houseofleaves]

One of the most gruesome and SI inducing as well :/

yeah. but my opinion is — if you (anyone, not you in particular) really want to die, nothing should stop you.

 

[eguiö]

If it was high enough to be sure I might be able to do it, but failing with jumping is the absolute worst. Then you might not be able to ctb ever again.

 

[Ednospatient]

I'm worried my SN will expire and by the time I have a chance to order more, it'll be removed from the market. Which would mean I have no options left and I would have to keep living this terrible existence.

If SN becomes unavailable, I will have to resort to acetaminophen, which I know will be painful. I have no access to amitriptyline. I wish I did.

 

[LucieInTheDark]

Heroin will always be relatively cheap and easy to get almost anywhere in the world.

I'm from the southern cone and I cannot find heroin as hard as I look for it
You can only realistically get tramadol and if you know somebody from the hospital, morphine
Besides I have two backup plans, rope or train track