Method What happens if you block the jugular vein but not the carotid artery? No one seems to be talking about it.

[NaughtyGirl]

What will happen if you block the jugular vein but not the carotid artery?

Since the blood is still being pumped into the head, will a person experience terrible headaches, internal bleeding and brain damage before even passing out?

When the carotid artery is blocked it takes a couple of minutes before the person suffers permanent brain damage, how long does it take for damage to occur when only jugular vein is closed?

If a person starts feeling building up pressure in their head, does this already mean the vein is blocked and the pressure will continue to build up until the person loses consciousness (and possibly suffers all unpleasant side effects before) and then dies? There also seems to be a possibility that if the pressure from the rope remains constant then after some initial build up of the pressure, the blood pressure will be so high it will overcome the pressure of the rope and force its way through the vein regardless. So technically we could end up in a situation where there is a prolonged super high blood pressure in the head and it makes me wonder what are the consequences. Would it be lethal or damaging and if so, how quickly.

Since it's easier to block the jugular vein (if I'm wrong correct me on this) than carotid artery and since there are definitely more people, experimenting, toying and flirting with the idea of hanging than those going all the way in there should be many more instances reported of damage caused by the blockage of the jugular vein than those caused by the lack of oxygen in the brain in the same way as it's easier to scratch your arm than to break it and it's easier to break it than to tear it off completely.

And yet when I look at available sources there are virtually no mentions of it. It's like it's not a thing at all even though logic and intuition tell me it should be a common thing. What am I missing? I don't believe for a second that people are just so good at hanging that they almost always manage to block the artery as well so the only remaining possibility is that it's really really hard to damage oneself by blocking the jugular vein but that seems very counter-intuitive.

 

[forgotten15]

I am curious too. The only possibility i have to ctb is by hanging, but it's damn difficult to go through with it. I have to keep reading about how to put the pressure on the carotid artery because so far only managed to do so with the jugular and the pressure you feel to your head is absolutely horrible, you feel like you are gonna explode.

 

[NaughtyGirl]

I am curious too. The only possibility i have to ctb is by hanging, but it's damn difficult to go through with it. I have to keep reading about how to put the pressure on the carotid artery because so far only managed to do so with the jugular and the pressure you feel to your head is absolutely horrible, you feel like you are gonna explode.

I imagine this is why you need to do it in one go instead of with small steps which is unfortunate. If I could just slowly increase the pressure and keep getting used to it step by step until I reach the point my visions starts to go blurry, that I think would be perfect. And I guess once you block the artery enough that's how it actually goes.

The furthest I got was to the point where I could feel some pressure building up in my head but nothing unbearable. My biggest problem right now is that since I'm attempting partial hanging from a sitting or kneeling position next to a wall I can accidentally lean against it while I'm jerking unconscious. That sucks. Unless someone explains to my why it's actually effective I think I'll be forced to do it on a shooting range or something...

 

[Nati]

There isn't really much info about it and what we do have is not much to work with.
After hours of trying I never really managed to block the carotid artery. Two times I kept the pressure although it was only the jugular vein and the first time after maybe 50s I felt a short-sharp pain in a small area in one eye (like something popped) and the second time the pressure just kept going up and after a minute it was just too uncomfortable. It didn't "hurt" but it felt like my head would explode.
Ffs literally babies are dying from window curtains and kids die accidentally when playing choke games but for some reason after hours of trying i still can't die.

 

[NaughtyGirl]

Ffs literally babies are dying from window curtains and kids die accidentally when playing choke games but for some reason after hours of trying i still can't die.

Right? Or when you stand up very quickly after lying in the bad, one time I legit almost lost consciousness as a result of that and had to hold a wall to keep balance. That's why I thought hanging was going to be super easy. Perhaps there is a way to direct pressure in such a way that the artery closes faster or at least at the same rate as the vein. Although based on pictures that I've seen it seems impossible since those veins seem to run parallel to the arteries and actually in front of them.

 

[Nati]

Right? Or when you stand up very quickly after lying in the bad, one time I legit almost lost consciousness as a result of that and had to hold a wall to keep balance. That's why I thought hanging was going to be super easy. Perhaps there is a way to direct pressure in such a way that the artery closes faster or at least at the same rate as the vein. Although based on pictures that I've seen it seems impossible since those veins seem to run parallel to the arteries and actually in front of them.

People say they can block only the carotid artery with their hands and they blackout in seconds. Using something like rolled socks can direct the pressure but for now I haven't managed to get it on the right spot although I know exactly where the arteries are and I can feel them. Pretty frustrating...

 

[WrongPlaceWrongTime]

Blocking only jugular veins w/o blocking the carotid arteries prevents blood from flowing out of the head, and is what causes the "head exploding" feeling for many.

 

[NaughtyGirl]

Blocking only jugular veins w/o blocking the carotid arteries prevents blood from flowing out of the head, and is what causes the "head exploding" feeling for many.

I know, I'm asking for a more detailed account of the possible consequences.

People say they can block only the carotid artery with their hands and they blackout in seconds. Using something like rolled socks can direct the pressure but for now I haven't managed to get it on the right spot although I know exactly where the arteries are and I can feel them. Pretty frustrating...

Well yes, with fingers you have enough precision and resolution so to speak to do it. But how do you modify the noose, what sort of addition can you use to achievbe the same result.

I don't think you can put anything in between the noose and your neck. If it's too wide it will have the opposite effect and if it's too small or thin I can't imagine it reliably staying in place.

Perhaps a bead kept in place by knots on both sides could work? But when the noose tightens it would also change the placement of the pressure so I don't think that could work either. What else is left then.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

Thanks, but I know it's lethal in general. What I don't know is:

1. If I as much as start feeling the build up of pressure in my head, does this mean the death is inevitable unless I loosen the noose eventually? Or will the pressure eventually force the blood through the vein regardless so I'll end up with very high but stable pressure in the head. If so, how harmful and/or lethal is that state.
2. How long before the damage occurs? The intuition tells me it should occur much sooner than after 2 or 3 minutes as is the case with the blockage of carotid artery. Is it easy to damage oneself by accident while experimenting, without losing consciousness?
3. If the damage can occur quickly and by accident and if it's painful then how come no source I found so for seems to mention it? Especially since there is a bias against suicide and a lot of fear mongering. So I imagine it must be the case that accidentally hurting oneself with this mechanism while attempting to hang oneself is extremely unlikely. Possibly because people chicken out when they start feeling the build of pressure so they abort.
4. Regardless of how painful it is, how long does it take to lose consciousness as a result of closed drainage?
5. How long does it take to die with just jugular veins closed.

Do you want to write a doctoral thesis about hanging?

The pragmatic approach would be: Hang your self (full suspension). The pressure to your neck is by far enough to close your carotids. When I (90kg) use a 20 mm rope to hang myself and hold the free end of the rope my head is not exploding. When I hold the free end the pressure to my neck is halved.

 

[NaughtyGirl]

Do you want to write a doctoral thesis about hanging?

The pragmatic approach would be: Hang your self (full suspension). The pressure to your neck is by far enough to close your carotids. When I (90kg) use a 20 mm rope to hang myself and hold the free end of the rope my head is not exploding. When I hold the free end the pressure to my neck is halved.

I just want to know what I'm dealing with. Like I don't know, if someone says that actually, it's super easy to get brain damage from just trying then I'd probably never try it again. I know full suspension would work but I'd rather not be forced to go to a forest at night all alone and that's how I'd have to do it :(

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

I just want to know what I'm dealing with. Like I don't know, if someone says that actually, it's super easy to get brain damage from just trying then I'd probably never try it again. I know full suspension would work but I'd rather not be forced to go to a forest at night all alone and that's how I'd have to do it :(

I know what you mean. I solved this problem with the help of a partner. He hanged me many times until I pass out. So I know what I am dealing with and so I overcame the fear of the process of dying. To overcome the fear of being dead is much harder to overcome. Non-lethal hanging without a partner is much more difficult, I have broken a lumbar vertebra this way.

 

[GenesAndEnvironment]

I think the short answer is pain.

 

[Shu]

Do you want to write a doctoral thesis about hanging?

The pragmatic approach would be: Hang your self (full suspension). The pressure to your neck is by far enough to close your carotids. When I (90kg) use a 20 mm rope to hang myself and hold the free end of the rope my head is not exploding. When I hold the free end the pressure to my neck is halved.

I know this has been answered over and over but just looking for different perspectives as I am using something that is 5 mm. Does the size really matter that much? Will it still close the carotid if it's smaller like what im using?

 

[Ta555]

I know this has been answered over and over but just looking for different perspectives as I am using something that is 5 mm. Does the size really matter that much? Will it still close the carotid if it's smaller like what im using?

Probably, but it will dig into your skin like a bitch. Do a test to see if it will hold your weight first though.

 

[Shu]

Probably, but it will dig into your skin like a bitch. Do a test to see if it will hold your weight first though.

I'm not tripping. As long as it closes the carotid and gets the job done.
I'm pretty sure they will cremate me so the marks don't matter I guess I know it's gonna hurt but it is what it is.
I'm using a cord also so yeah it's gonna hurt.

I'm not tripping. As long as it closes the carotid and gets the job done.
I'm pretty sure they will cremate me so the marks don't matter I guess I know it's gonna hurt but it is what it is.
I'm using a cord also so yeah it's gonna hurt.

I could put some cloth aroubd my neck but I don't know if that will change much.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

I know this has been answered over and over but just looking for different perspectives as I am using something that is 5 mm. Does the size really matter that much? Will it still close the carotid if it's smaller like what im using?

A simple model: You have a garden hose and want to stop the water flow without using the tap. You lay a rod across the hose and press it down until the flow stops. You need a certain amount of force to flatten the hose, more force has no effect, fatter than flat is not possible. In our case more force will only cause more pain. I would say, the thinner the rod the less force you need to stop the flow. But you can test it by yourself. The force we are talking about is in our case caused by your weight. Cloth around your neck will spoil the effect.

 

[Shu]

A simple model: You have a garden hose and want to stop the water flow without using the tap. You lay a rod across the hose and press it down until the flow stops. You need a certain amount of force to flatten the hose, more force has no effect, fatter than flat is not possible. In our case more force will only cause more pain. I would say, the thinner the rod the less force you need to stop the flow. But you can test it by yourself. The force we are talking about is in our case caused by your weight. Cloth around your neck will spoil the effect.

It may cause more pain at first but if it blocks the carotid quicker then it wouldn't really matter much as you will pass out pretty quickly correct?

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

It may cause more pain at first but if it blocks the carotid quicker then it wouldn't really matter much as you will pass out pretty quickly correct?

Correct!