What do you think about this plan: go to a huge national park without water, and do voluntary stopping of eating and drinking, e.g. die of thirst?

[Cookiecarver]

Here's the plan 1) you drive to your country's biggest national park without any water or food 2) park your car near to the national park 3) walk 20km to a suitable location, don't look at map or cellphone on the way there so you don't know the way back 4) if there's still power in your cellphone when you've reached your destination destroy your phone so you can't call for help 4) build your tent, and then just do voluntary stopping of eating and drinking. 5) If possible, use some pain medicine like cannabis, ketamine or oxycodone. Although I've read that taking ketamine might be bad for your bladder if you're thirsty, but who knows.

If you do it this way, you precommit by following this plan because you don't know the way back to your car and you can't call for help - so you don't have to care about your survival instinct. And if you do it in the winter you can't even drink from rivers or lakes.

I've read on the internet that voluntary stopping of eating and drinking is peaceful once the sensation of thirst passes.

I'm not yet sure if this is preferable to full suspension hanging with pain medicine, but somehow I like this one more.

 

[lifeORdeath]

Here's the plan 1) you drive to your country's biggest national park without any water or food 2) park your car near to the national park 3) walk 20km to a suitable location, don't look at map or cellphone on the way there so you don't know the way back 4) if there's still power in your cellphone when you've reached your destination destroy your phone so you can't call for help 4) build your tent, and then just do voluntary stopping of eating and drinking. 5) If possible, use some pain medicine like cannabis, ketamine or oxycodone. Although I've read that taking ketamine might be bad for your bladder if you're thirsty, but who knows.

If you do it this way, you precommit by following this plan because you don't know the way back to your car and you can't call for help - so you don't have to care about your survival instinct. And if you do it in the winter you can't even drink from rivers or lakes.

I've read on the internet that voluntary stopping of eating and drinking is peaceful once the sensation of thirst passes.

I'm not yet sure if this is preferable to full suspension hanging with pain medicine, but somehow I like this one more.

Probably will be long, dawn out, painful, and if you change mind might be too bad if far enough out.
It would be an experience though. If you are out too long folks may come looking for you.

 

[peaches]

This reminds me of one of my persistent ideas.
Similar to yours, but hopefully faster.
1. Find very cold area, preferably with snow.
2. Hike in as far from road as you can.
3. Take a couple of sleeping meds.
4. Lay in snow.
5. Fall asleep
6. Hypothermia sets in?

Unfortunately, I don't live near any snow. But I keep trying to find a way that is not scary or violent or that will cause sickness or permanent damage if it fails.

 

[Forest Fire]

I nearly died from dehydration a few years ago and it was the most physically and mentally painful thing i've ever experienced. At one point it literally (and i mean the definition of literally) felt like i had a coal fire burning in my head and then the top quarter of my skull had collapsed in on itself. I was hallucinating constantly (audio, visual and tactile) and when i breathed it felt as though i was breathing in the steam off a kettle. You stop being thirsty and hungry after a bit but that was the only respite for me.
Personally, i couldn't think of a worse way to go and i would rather drink bleach than do this

 

[jodes2]

I'm sure SI will kick in and you'll do something to survive

 

[Someone123]

It won't work- it only works in a hospital setting when people are given the most powerful pain meds available in the world, meds you could never get or administer yourself even if you could get them, because you won't be able to function past certain points of dehydration. The torture of dehydration goes over a long period of time and is vastly worse than pain from hanging over a much longer period of time. For sure you would be screaming from pain for a long period of time before passing, and someone could hear this and rescue you. This is the farthest thing from a peaceful method- this might be the most painful possible way to ctb.

 

[System28]

really bad idea man, u can search about vsed and is not nearly peacefull

 

[Forever Sleep]

I wonder- if you are outside in winter with no camping equipment whether you would die of hypothermia before dehydration or starvation.

I imagine- for any of these longer term methods that a will of iron is needed. Not to say it's impossible. Just know I couldn't do it. Not convinced it would be painless either. Still, I wish you all the best- whatever you decide.

Sorry- just reread your thread. So, you would take a tent- and sleeping bag? Just never really know what to say on these kinds of threads. The question always seems to be- 'Will it work?' But it's so hard to answer having no idea of the person's will power and determination. I'm not so sure even we know what WE ourselves will be capable of during an attempt. It sounds like one of those things that might work but might not. Which applies to all attempts I suppose. I just think the vsed method requires that commitment to die over days and days rather than hopefully a few minutes.

 

[Mofreeko]

extreme thirst and hunger will have you drinking from puddles and eating tree bark

 

[jandek]

I've thought about doing this, disappearing somewhere like Death Valley and making an end. Not a nice way to go though.

 

[Someone123]

Some people convince themselves that it is a peaceful way to go because it is relatively peaceful for people who do this in a hospice setting. But there are huge advantages to that setting, mainly continuous medical care as needed- mainly the continuous administration of the most powerful painkillers available, and possibly sleeping pills as well- something you can not do on your own throughout the whole process because dehydration will cause your brain to malfunction at some point.

 

[FuneralCry]

This method has always sounded like an awful way to leave this world to me. I just think that I would prefer for the dying process to be over quickly rather than taking a long time.

 

[wljourney]

It's fall. It'll be raining/snowing. You'll get wet and cold.
Depending how far south you'll go, you'll die from hypothermia before dying from dehydration.
Not pretty.

 

[SamTam33]

I actually researched this a few days ago, and one of them (dehydration or hunger) takes a couple of MONTHS to kill you.

When you think about the starving kids in famine ravished countries, you realize how long the body can hold on with no food or water.

I'd love to give it a try, but I seriously doubt my will to complete it.

 

[slushy]

Why would anyone ever do this? There are many ways to get the job done faster and less painfully

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

I nearly died from dehydration a few years ago and it was the most physically and mentally painful thing i've ever experienced. At one point it literally (and i mean the definition of literally) felt like i had a coal fire burning in my head and then the top quarter of my skull had collapsed in on itself. I was hallucinating constantly (audio, visual and tactile) and when i breathed it felt as though i was breathing in the steam off a kettle. You stop being thirsty and hungry after a bit but that was the only respite for me.
Personally, i couldn't think of a worse way to go and i would rather drink bleach than do this

Was this intentional?

 

[theboy]

Bad idea

 

[Judy Garland]

It can be done but your will must be strong.

Gardener, 47, starved himself to death while camping in woods as he kept 58-day diary detailing the effects of not eating

Thomas Hall, 47, of St Davids in Pembrokeshire, Wales, started the diary when he refused to take any food on a camping trip into deep woodlands.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[IfyouareamanWinston]

Yes if there was truly no water then 5 days max you would be done BUT if there is wildlife there is some water somewhere and the more thirsty you become you will be able to smell it from a long distance and find it prolonging ur death. Its best to bring some drug to to it with so you can take that after a nice hike or something.

 

[IfyouareamanWinston]

This young guy lasted less thN 24 hours after separation from his unit and abandoned.

Death of Jason Rother - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

If you get enough out there in somewhere like Joshua tree national park. There is zero water and zero humans. Or on the back side of mcagcc.

Yeah a desert or somewhere really cold would be the best choice for sure!

 

[leeloosnow]

Big bag of nope. Seen that show "naked and afraid"? The afraid part is included for a reason imo.

 

[Someone123]

It can be done but your will must be strong.

Gardener, 47, starved himself to death while camping in woods as he kept 58-day diary detailing the effects of not eating

Thomas Hall, 47, of St Davids in Pembrokeshire, Wales, started the diary when he refused to take any food on a camping trip into deep woodlands.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Yes, but this is not VSED- this is VSE- voluntary stopping eating can work, as it shows above, but voluntarily stopping eating and drinking is nearly impossible unless in a hospital with physicina assistance, because without water at some point your brain will stop functioning and you will forget what you are doing and start screaming for help, etc. IN a hospiatl this works with heavy sedcatives and heavy pain relievers.

Yes if there was truly no water then 5 days max you would be done BUT if there is wildlife there is some water somewhere and the more thirsty you become you will be able to smell it from a long distance and find it prolonging ur death. Its best to bring some drug to to it with so you can take that after a nice hike or something.

Many people on "dry fasting" Facebook groups report going five days or longer without water without any ill effects, and they do this regularly. If a person dehydrates quickly naturally five days may work, but otherwise it could take eleven days or longer.

 

[HermitLonerGuy]

youd probably just end up eating plants and dirt etc, the human body is strongly programmed for survival. At some point of desperation the biological programming will take over and compel you to consume anything.

Send signals : " eat this " pain ... panic etc eat now to feel better"

 

[almaranthine]

Going out into the wilderness and shooting yourself, ODing, taking SN, or even throwing yourself off a cliff seem like they would be better than suffering for an indeterminate amount of time essentially going insane and slowly decaying from dehydration. I can't imagine willingly doing this. Even purposefully setting yourself up to get hypothermia sounds better than this.

 

[lifeORdeath]

Going out into the wilderness and shooting yourself, ODing, taking SN, or even throwing yourself off a cliff seem like they would be better than suffering for an indeterminate amount of time essentially going insane and slowly decaying from dehydration. I can't imagine willingly doing this. Even purposefully setting yourself up to get hypothermia sounds better than this.

Agreed.

 

[makethepainstop]

Here's the plan 1) you drive to your country's biggest national park without any water or food 2) park your car near to the national park 3) walk 20km to a suitable location, don't look at map or cellphone on the way there so you don't know the way back 4) if there's still power in your cellphone when you've reached your destination destroy your phone so you can't call for help 4) build your tent, and then just do voluntary stopping of eating and drinking. 5) If possible, use some pain medicine like cannabis, ketamine or oxycodone. Although I've read that taking ketamine might be bad for your bladder if you're thirsty, but who knows.

If you do it this way, you precommit by following this plan because you don't know the way back to your car and you can't call for help - so you don't have to care about your survival instinct. And if you do it in the winter you can't even drink from rivers or lakes.

I've read on the internet that voluntary stopping of eating and drinking is peaceful once the sensation of thirst passes.

I'm not yet sure if this is preferable to full suspension hanging with pain medicine, but somehow I like this one more.

Then once you have started the course of action and are in a state of weakness....a bear or mountain lion decides to chow down on you, and your too weak to run or fight. No thanks, I like painless life remedies!

Here's the plan 1) you drive to your country's biggest national park without any water or food 2) park your car near to the national park 3) walk 20km to a suitable location, don't look at map or cellphone on the way there so you don't know the way back 4) if there's still power in your cellphone when you've reached your destination destroy your phone so you can't call for help 4) build your tent, and then just do voluntary stopping of eating and drinking. 5) If possible, use some pain medicine like cannabis, ketamine or oxycodone. Although I've read that taking ketamine might be bad for your bladder if you're thirsty, but who knows.

If you do it this way, you precommit by following this plan because you don't know the way back to your car and you can't call for help - so you don't have to care about your survival instinct. And if you do it in the winter you can't even drink from rivers or lakes.

I've read on the internet that voluntary stopping of eating and drinking is peaceful once the sensation of thirst passes.

I'm not yet sure if this is preferable to full suspension hanging with pain medicine, but somehow I like this one more.

Then once you have started the course of action and are in a state of weakness....a bear or mountain lion decides to chow down on you, and your too weak to run or fight. No thanks, I like painless life remedies!

 

[Forest Fire]

Was this intentional?

Was this intentional?

No, i got given some bad advice on how to come off some prescription medication i was on and just decided to try and get through it. It took me about 5 months to get to that stage

 

[Maudlin]

Here's the plan 1) you drive to your country's biggest national park without any water or food 2) park your car near to the national park 3) walk 20km to a suitable location, don't look at map or cellphone on the way there so you don't know the way back 4) if there's still power in your cellphone when you've reached your destination destroy your phone so you can't call for help 4) build your tent, and then just do voluntary stopping of eating and drinking. 5) If possible, use some pain medicine like cannabis, ketamine or oxycodone. Although I've read that taking ketamine might be bad for your bladder if you're thirsty, but who knows.

If you do it this way, you precommit by following this plan because you don't know the way back to your car and you can't call for help - so you don't have to care about your survival instinct. And if you do it in the winter you can't even drink from rivers or lakes.

I've read on the internet that voluntary stopping of eating and drinking is peaceful once the sensation of thirst passes.

I'm not yet sure if this is preferable to full suspension hanging with pain medicine, but somehow I like this one more.

Dehydration hurts *bad*.

Hunger will drive you mad long before you die.

If you're sure to your core you deserve it, it sounds like you've worked out a long, slow agonizing way to go for yourself.

Think about any annoying joint pain you have now, multiply it by 100, apply it to every joint in your body, and make it constant for days. Plus, the longer you stay committed the weaker and less capable you are to do anything about it.

#5 on your list would definitely be necessary... but if you have such access, why bother with the starvation and dehydration? I've lost two friends in the last year to drugs, alone.

Why build castles in the sand when you can just walk into the sea?