Discussion What do you see as the possible answer?

[MeltingHeart]

I see ALOT of posts on here slagging off & venting the entirity of the medical or clinical systems (quite rightly so in many cases). Venting that ALL therapists have failed them, they cant talk to them-because they will be locked up when they say they want to kill themselves (do you want them to say ok then & hand you a rope?) - which they HAVE to do as its called duty of care if someone is going to hurt themselves or others. All doctors are shit and/or evil (dont get me wrong i had a doctor that totally fucked up too-but it was just very bad judgement on her part) All meds are bad, dont work or cause great harm & are basically about money & corruption by big Pharma. Psychiatry is at best inaccuarate or a very flawed 'science' & seemingly often damages people greatly. You cant talk to ANYONE, incl friends and faimly. about how you feel-because,surprise surprise- some people might actually tell you NOT to kill yourself.

Not including the people that have literally being harmed by doctors- as that is clearly a huge error and should not have happened. And they made a big mistake.
But:
So my questions is this- What are the possible answers?! What DO/DID people want? What WOULD have (or COULD still) made a difference/ helped you? What needs to change or be done better?

Answers on a postcard, as they say ;)

 

[Lotus1818]

I just want people to understand my pain why I'm so tired. So that they don't judge me why I wanna ctb. That's why I joined this community. This forum does more to me then any therapist could.

 

[MeltingHeart]

I just want people to understand my pain why I'm so tired. So that they don't judge me why I wanna ctb. That's why I joined this community. This forum does more to me then any therapist could.

How would that understanding manifest itself though? like what do you want people to say? Just as so many of the posts are so emotional they are actually very vague about what it is people actually WANT! this is what i am trying to better understand. Do you want a therapist that you can say you want to ctb too, and they will just accept it & go OK then, if thats what you want.

 

[Lotus1818]

How would that understanding manifest itself though? like what do you want people to say? Just as so many of the posts are so emotional they are actually very vague about what it is people actually WANT! this is what i am trying to better understand. Do you want a therapist that you can say you want to ctb too, and they will just accept it & so OK then.

I guess so. I never really went to the therapist and expect him or her to fix my problem. Most just explain why you are in this nightmare.

I wouldn't mind if he just gave me a way out. Just to take home and put in my drawer

 

[Temporarilyabsurd]

I found this article helpful .


I've posted it before .(https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/how-to-love-the-suicidal.413/)

It's kind of a radical acceptance thing.

To just be accepted as having this state of mind /emotion ...
To constantly pretend to be " trying to improve" , " trying to heal " , can be traumatic in itself.

To know what one want's , when 'wanting' in itself is a kind of 'positive' , " sign of life" expression ?
To have no desire ... in the anhedonoiac (?) sense ... that's , in itself , a difficulty .

 

[TAW122]

MeltingHeart, to answer your question, (just fyi long answer ahead, so brace yourself) what I would want changed in the medical field and psychiatric field is the ability to have an honest two-way discussion (not plans or methods - because yes, I get it, they have duty of care/mandatory reporting for risk of harm to self/others, etc.) about rational suicide and the ability to talk about suicide from a philosophical standpoint without the risk of being locked up, sent to an psych evaluation or temporary hold/detention. So far, most professionals (barring very very few therapists/counselors/mental health professionals) are not able to do that and even for the very few that are able to, it's a needle in a haystack and it's more trouble trying to find them (the cost, the time, and risk involved is too great).

Then the next thing I wish for is for therapists and counselors and mental health professionals to act similar to like a mentor/life coach as well as coming to terms with reality. For example, if a patient sees them with the problem of genetics and/or other chronic (non-terminal) condition that affects their quality of life, instead of just reading off a script and/or just giving meaningless platitudes or trying to invalidate the person, recognize the problem and find solutions (or recommend other people that said patients to turn to). Give real solutions and admit reality for what it is, instead of gaslighting, sugarcoating, spewing platitudes to the patient.

So that's just the beginning. The next thing I want changed is how the medical industry, hospitals, and psychiatry handles involuntary holds. According to the UN, involuntary holds for patients (not harming others, but only a threat to oneself) is inhumane and deprives them of their freedom of choice, freedom of movement, and basic human rights (imagine given prisoner treatment, treated like a criminal, an animal, etc.). I wish that the medical community would do away with this and only use it when it is clear beyond a reasonable doubt that the patient is a danger to others rather than just him/herself.

Furthermore, extending from the earlier paragraph, I want the hospitals to not bill the patient (speaking in terms of the US) for involuntary holds and/or commimtment against one's will. It is one thing to already be unfairly treated without due process, treated poorly, forced intervention against one's will, but then to bill them on top of it is just cruel. Most people cannot afford the hospital bills, and those that manage somewhat, are set back significantly, not completely by their own choice. It's like someone painting your house without your permission or consent (or agreement) and then sending you the bill for labor and parts (paint and materials in this case).

 

[Anathema]

The truth? I'm not a very agreeable person. I only went (and still go) to therapy because I wanted to give my parents hope and I didn't want to see them worry.
I've went through 3 psychotherapists apart from a psychiatrist, and it's never gone anywhere. First one politely gave up on me and suggested I see a psychiatrist. Second one decided to continue her studies (which I understand and won't hold it against her). The one I'm currently seeing seems to be more "assertive" in herself.
I've come to realise mental health professionals are really just ordinary people. But there's nothing more demoralizing than going to therapy and the one supposed to help you has no clue how.

 

[MeltingHeart]

I found this article helpful .


I've posted it before .(https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/how-to-love-the-suicidal.413/)

It's kind of a radical acceptance thing.

To just be accepted as having this state of mind /emotion ...
To constantly pretend to be " trying to improve" , " trying to heal " , can be traumatic in itself.

To know what one want's , when 'wanting' in itself is a kind of 'positive' , " sign of life" expression ?
To have no desire ... in the anhedonoiac (?) sense ... that's , in itself , a difficulty .

Thanks, I will have a read.

The truth? I'm not a very agreeable person. I only went (and still go) to therapy because I wanted to give my parents hope and I didn't want to see them worry.
I've went through 3 psychotherapists apart from a psychiatrist, and it's never gone anywhere. First one politely gave up on me and suggested I see a psychiatrist. Second one decided to continue her studies (which I understand and won't hold it against her). The one I'm currently seeing seems to be more "assertive" in herself.
I've come to realise mental health professionals are really just ordinary people. But there's nothing more demoralizing than going to therapy and the one supposed to help you has no clue how.

Yeah, i can see how demoralizing it can be, but yeah at the end of the day they can really only do such much for a person, just as meds can only help in part (for some people), just as talking over things & talking about how you feel or trauma or whatever, can only go so far to help that person progress (and many other life factors might need to be adjusted too-outside of therapy) & it just cant help everyone unfortunetly. I wish it could. They wont give me therapy because they think it will make me worse! ha & I totally agree.

 

[Soul]

I want medical professionals *not* to be required by law to report/interfere suicidal patients. I want to be able to have a medically assisted death after a sensible, non-humiliating screening process, at an affordable cost.

 

[CalmStrikeofMercy]

What are the possible answers?! What DO/DID people want? What WOULD have (or COULD still) made a difference/ helped you? What needs to change or be done better?

Imagine sitting face to face with me and i'm calm. Im practicing civil disobedience. I have no intent to harm anyone.
What I ask for is a coup de grâce.
I bit the apple and I regret it.
Tried undoing the damage. Can't.
Want a safe, responsible route out.

 

[MeltingHeart]

I want medical professionals *not* to be required by law to report/interfere suicidal patients. I want to be able to have a medically assisted death after a sensible, non-humiliating screening process, at an affordable cost.

But people say this but it is not always true you can talk about some suicidal ideation- ive spoken about it to doctors and a psychiatrist. Do you mean you would like to go to your doctor about suicide & then apply for MAID?- this I understand. I wish I could too.

 

[reapandsow918]

I found that being around other people who also experience symptoms of depression or suicidal thoughts helps the time pass.

Therapists and doctors don't give to shits about you because at the end of the day they go home and not have to worry about you. Plus they get paid so.

 

[MeltingHeart]

What are the possible answers?! What DO/DID people want? What WOULD have (or COULD still) made a difference/ helped you? What needs to change or be done better?

Imagine sitting face to face with me and i'm calm. Im practicing civil disobedience. I have no intent to harm anyone.
What I ask for is a coup de grâce.
I bit the apple and I regret it.
Tried undoing the damage. Can't.
Want a safe, responsible route out.

Just checking, did you mean disobedience?

I want coup de grâce too! Nice expression.

I found that being around other people who also experience symptoms of depression or suicidal thoughts helps the time pass.

Therapists and doctors don't give to shits about you because at the end of the day they go home and not have to worry about you. Plus they get paid so.

I dont mean why are people on here...I just wondered IF there are any possible answers aside from strong & sustained criticism of every person & system that tries (or maybe purports is a better word) to help -as it obviously doesnt work-so I am wondering, what WOULD work? or work even slightly better anyway?

That bit about Docs & therapists is just venting again. (which of course it totally fine & I def could have a few things to say about them myself!) -but what I am asking people is- after the vents- what are the possible answers??! what do people want/ did want that might have stopped them wanting to ctb & that would stop them having so much to be angry about? Also people going on about therapists & money-at the end of the day, it is a job, should they all work pro bono -to prove its not just about getting paid? Personally I think it is an overly cycnical view to think that ALL therapists trained & work in that field just for the money & that NONE of them actually have an interest in helping people.

I found that being around other people who also experience symptoms of depression or suicidal thoughts helps the time pass.

Therapists and doctors don't give to shits about you because at the end of the day they go home and not have to worry about you. Plus they get paid so.

I dont mean why are people on here...I just wondered IF there are any possible answers aside from strong & sustained criticism of every person & system that tries (or maybe purports is a better word) to help -as it obviously doesnt work-so I am wondering, what WOULD work? or work even slightly better anyway?

That bit about Docs & therapists is just venting again. (which of course it totally fine & I def could have a few things to say about them myself!) -but what I am asking people is- after the vents- what are the possible answers??! what do people want/ did want that might have stopped them wanting to ctb & that would stop them having so much to be angry about? Also people going on about therapists & money-at the end of the day, it is a job, should they all work pro bono -to prove its not just about getting paid? Personally I think it is an overly cycnical view to think that ALL therapists trained & work in that field just for the money & that NONE of them actually have an interest in helping people.

I found that being around other people who also experience symptoms of depression or suicidal thoughts helps the time pass.

Therapists and doctors don't give to shits about you because at the end of the day they go home and not have to worry about you. Plus they get paid so.

I dont mean why are people on here...I just wondered IF there are any possible answers aside from strong & sustained criticism of every person & system that tries (or maybe purports is a better word) to help -as it obviously doesnt work-so I am wondering, what WOULD work? or work even slightly better anyway?

That bit about Docs & therapists is just venting again. (which of course it totally fine & I def could have a few things to say about them myself!) -but what I am asking people is- after the vents- what are the possible answers??! what do people want/ did want that might have stopped them wanting to ctb & that would stop them having so much to be angry about? Also people going on about therapists & money-at the end of the day, it is a job, should they all work pro bono -to prove its not just about getting paid? Personally I think it is an overly cycnical view to think that ALL therapists trained & work in that field just for the money & that NONE of them actually have an interest in helping people.

 

[FohPah]

I'm not sure if anyone could help me. I appreciate that people try.

It would certainly help to have someone I could confide in who would objectively help me decide whether to keep living or not, someone who doesn't take it on themself to stop me from suicide. I couldn't really blame anyone for trying to stop me, though. I'd be putting them in a position where all of their options suck.

Other than that, it would be nice to have someone look at my life and tell me what I'm missing -- and crucially, help me understand why I don't do whatever it is that I need to do.

 

[MeltingHeart]

That must be hard to feel like there is somethi

I'm not sure if anyone could help me. I appreciate that people try.

It would certainly help to have someone I could confide in who would objectively help me decide whether to keep living or not, someone who doesn't take it on themself to stop me from suicide. I couldn't really blame anyone for trying to stop me, though. I'd be putting them in a position where all of their options suck.

Other than that, it would be nice to have someone look at my life and tell me what I'm missing -- and crucially, help me understand why I don't do whatever it is that I need to do.

that must be hard- to feel that something IS missing, that maybe there is something you could do but you don't know quite what that is & as such why you don't do it. I'm not sure if anyone would be able to objectively access your life & be able to decide for you or with you if you should live or not. There are many people on here (and of course I don't even know the whole story) from what they say (especially the younger one) I think they should still live & I certainly wouldn't want them to ctb or help them decide that. I guess that is human nature. Also I can't really say that as it is pro- choice & people could also say its hypocritical if I want to ctb but don't think someone else should.And as you say - it does put that person in a difficult position. I can outline the reasons why I think I should ctb but I know realistically even if someone could see my options are limited they would never agree that opting out of life is the good "option".

 

[ZemTee]

which they HAVE to do as its called duty of care if someone is going to hurt themselves

I think that's a big problem right there. Remove the "themselves" part of the hurt somebody standard, you fix a lot of these issues.

All meds are bad, dont work or cause great harm & are basically about money & corruption by big Pharma.

There's an angle of this that IS wrong. Two things can be true at once; Some meds are good and sometimes (but not always) work, which is good; and big Pharma is motivated by money, which is bad. A person can do a good thing for the wrong reasons, and obviously corporations can to. But of course, money does corrupt. The solution to that? Either remove money, or rely on yourself to know better. I don't think those are going to be universally achievable.

Psychiatry is at best inaccuarate or a very flawed 'science' & seemingly often damages people greatly.

This isn't reliably solvable. The human mind doesn't come "standard", but science usually does. This leads to guesswork, which coupled with government and corporate tinkering, often does do more harm than good.

You cant talk to ANYONE, incl friends and faimly. about how you feel-because,surprise surprise- some people might actually tell you NOT to kill yourself.

A bit of a Catch 22, huh? Want to talk to somebody, but most people tell you not to commit suicide, which you dislike. To solve this, a large percent of the population would have to change their mentality on suicide. Now I'm all in favor of that, but name me a more arduous task.

I want medical professionals *not* to be required by law to report/interfere suicidal patients. I want to be able to have a medically assisted death after a sensible, non-humiliating screening process, at an affordable cost.

I Wholly agree with this. If I, an individual, wish to die, who can tell me otherwise? Those others, the majority who are frightened by the idea of death? I simply reject that.

 

[MeltingHeart]

I think that's a big problem right there. Remove the "themselves" part of the hurt somebody standard, you fix a lot of these issues.

There's an angle of this that IS wrong. Two things can be true at once; Some meds are good and sometimes (but not always) work, which is good; and big Pharma is motivated by money, which is bad. A person can do a good thing for the wrong reasons, and obviously corporations can to. But of course, money does corrupt. The solution to that? Either remove money, or rely on yourself to know better. I don't think those are going to be universally achievable.

This isn't reliably solvable. The human mind doesn't come "standard", but science usually does. This leads to guesswork, which coupled with government and corporate tinkering, often does do more harm than good.

A bit of a Catch 22, huh? Want to talk to somebody, but most people tell you not to commit suicide, which you dislike. To solve this, a large percent of the population would have to change their mentality on suicide. Now I'm all in favor of that, but name me a more arduous task.

I Wholly agree with this. If I, an individual, wish to die, who can tell me otherwise? Those others, the majority who are frightened by the idea of death? I simply reject that.

I'm sorry I would respond more fully. But I think you have misunderstood my post. Thanku for sharing yr thoughts. Oh one question thou - what do you mean by remove the "themselves" bit? Sorry I did not understand this?

I think that's a big problem right there. Remove the "themselves" part of the hurt somebody standard, you fix a lot of these issues.

There's an angle of this that IS wrong. Two things can be true at once; Some meds are good and sometimes (but not always) work, which is good; and big Pharma is motivated by money, which is bad. A person can do a good thing for the wrong reasons, and obviously corporations can to. But of course, money does corrupt. The solution to that? Either remove money, or rely on yourself to know better. I don't think those are going to be universally achievable.

This isn't reliably solvable. The human mind doesn't come "standard", but science usually does. This leads to guesswork, which coupled with government and corporate tinkering, often does do more harm than good.

A bit of a Catch 22, huh? Want to talk to somebody, but most people tell you not to commit suicide, which you dislike. To solve this, a large percent of the population would have to change their mentality on suicide. Now I'm all in favor of that, but name me a more arduous task.

I Wholly agree with this. If I, an individual, wish to die, who can tell me otherwise? Those others, the majority who are frightened by the idea of death? I simply reject that.

Do you the medical professionals provide the means though?

 

[a.n.kirillov]

You are raising the exact point I'm mulling over since becoming badly suicidal: what is it that I would want other people to say or do?

And the answer is: I don't know. If they'd accept my plans, that wouldn't make me feel any better I think; if they'd react as most people react and call the authorities or demand I admit myself to a psych ward, that would make me feel a lot worse (it has happened with one friend to me already).

I realized that my wishes are actually a) regressive, in that I want someone to absolve me of my existential responsibility for my own life and b) narcissistic, in that I want others to attend to me as if it were their own lives that were in danger; I often fantasize about a sort of 'intervention', where all my friends and family stay at my house and tell me they'll never let me do it and they need me and love me and where they'll watch over me day and night, not unlike you see families do that sort of thing to a grieving spouse.

If I could choose, though, I'd rather be taken seriously and treated as a rational adult person and definitely not classified insane and locked up in a ward, if that makes sense.

Finding the will to live and wanting to change is, in the end, something only you yourself can do and then and only then can other people provide assistance.

 

[TearyEyedQueen]

Mine is mostly related to living a fulfilled life and not having depression/being suicidal. But it's obviously too late now because I was isolated in the crucial teenage years when everyone had fun, and obviously became depressed and suicidal.
I honestly don't know what would save me. It's all unrealistic gibberish of my broken brain, basically a few very rare or impossible things would have to happen to at least make me non-suicidal for a while.
Almost all of them would have to involve some sort of divine intervention which is weird for me since I've thought of myself as an atheist for a long time and later as an agnostic.
So there's honestly no answer for me.

 

[TAW122]

@TearyEyedQueen I am kind of in a similar boat. I was pretty isolated in my teenage years (late middle school early high school) and had a shitty homelife (lots of pressure to do well, authoritarian parents, etc.) so that heavily factored into my development as a human being. College wasn't much different, was still isolated and even harder to catch up with others due to losing out the crucial development during teenage years. I've pretty much resigned myself to accepting that I was fucked socially and do not have an NT life. Also, due to my Aspergers condition, communicating with people and getting non-verbal cues is a massive chore, I am always playing catch up and sometimes still fall short (work twice/many times as hard, only to get half/many times as far). I digress though, but yeah I believe that if someone really understood my situation they would arrive to the same (if not similar) conclusions as I have.

While I am not immediately looking to CTB, my chronic and permanent predicaments are some of the passive reasons for wanting to CTB. How long I will last very well depends on my copes, life circumstances, and other personal variables. The bottom line is that I won't ever CTB over any singular reason or cause, but a multitude of causes and it won't be something very impulsive (remember I am still passively suicidal but just not actively suicidal).

 

[MeltingHeart]

Mine is mostly related to living a fulfilled life and not having depression/being suicidal. But it's obviously too late now because I was isolated in the crucial teenage years when everyone had fun, and obviously became depressed and suicidal.
I honestly don't know what would save me. It's all unrealistic gibberish of my broken brain, basically a few very rare or impossible things would have to happen to at least make me non-suicidal for a while.
Almost all of them would have to involve some sort of divine intervention which is weird for me since I've thought of myself as an atheist for a long time and later as an agnostic.
So there's honestly no answer for me.

Im sorry-I know how you feel-well atleast in part. I was very isolated too throughout my childhood & teenage years, very alone-emotionally, literally and financially. With alot of fight & forced strength (which i did not feel inside)-i did managed to 'recover' and integrate-make friends etc, in my 20s and onwards-not gonna lie it was a VERY tough journey-working lots and meeting people through work helped me get through it at that time-I forced myself into situations I was very anxious and nervous about which was SO hard-but it did pay off in the end. But I know all those things are easier said than done, when you already feel quite broken. I am agnostic too-but I hope some how you can get some kind of divine intervention-or something good occurs to turn yr life around. I dont know if this will console you-but you can have alot of fun in your slightly older years too, I think soceity glorifies youth somewhat, and it is sad and painful to miss out on those fun teen years-mine were SO horrible-but then I ended up having loads of fun in my early 30s & I think I appreciated each fun/nice time more than others in some way-as they felt more new and special to me.

I hope something good can happen.

 

[TearyEyedQueen]

Im sorry-I know how you feel-well atleast in part. I was very isolated too throughout my childhood & teenage years, very alone-emotionally, literally and financially. With alot of fight & forced strength (which i did not feel inside)-i did managed to 'recover' and integrate-make friends etc, in my 20s and onwards-not gonna lie it was a VERY tough journey-working lots and meeting people through work helped me get through it at that time-I forced myself into situations I was very anxious and nervous about which was SO hard-but it did pay off in the end. But I know all those things are easier said than done, when you already feel quite broken. I am agnostic too-but I hope some how you can get some kind of divine intervention-or something good occurs to turn yr life around. I dont know if this will console you-but you can have alot of fun in your slightly older years too, I think soceity glorifies youth somewhat, and it is sad and painful to miss out on those fun teen years-mine were SO horrible-but then I ended up having loads of fun in my early 30s & I think in someways I appreciated each fun/nice time more than others in some way-as they felt more new and special to me.

I hope something good can happen.

Thank you, I have to admit this cheered me up a little

 

[MeltingHeart]

@TearyEyedQueen I am kind of in a similar boat. I was pretty isolated in my teenage years (late middle school early high school) and had a shitty homelife (lots of pressure to do well, authoritarian parents, etc.) so that heavily factored into my development as a human being. College wasn't much different, was still isolated and even harder to catch up with others due to losing out the crucial development during teenage years. I've pretty much resigned myself to accepting that I was fucked socially and do not have an NT life. Also, due to my Aspergers condition, communicating with people and getting non-verbal cues is a massive chore, I am always playing catch up and sometimes still fall short (work twice/many times as hard, only to get half/many times as far). I digress though, but yeah I believe that if someone really understood my situation they would arrive to the same (if not similar) conclusions as I have.

While I am not immediately looking to CTB, my chronic and permanent predicaments are some of the passive reasons for wanting to CTB. How long I will last very well depends on my copes, life circumstances, and other personal variables. The bottom line is that I won't ever CTB over any singular reason or cause, but a multitude of causes and it won't be something very impulsive (remember I am still passively suicidal but just not actively suicidal).

What is an NT life? Is there any social groups or meet ups for other people with Aspergers? dunno if that would help at all (obvs I am not saying at a all that would solve all yr issues)-would it help to meet at be around people that might understand better. Do you have any kind if specialist guidance with a specialist on coping strategies for yr illness? Excuse me if anything I say is too naive-I dont have too much knowledge on the syndrome-so dont want to pretend like i do!

Have you ever read the book' the curious incident of the dog in the nighttime' ?

Here is mini review: "This magnificent essay in communication is compulsory reading for anyone with the slightest interest in autistic spectrum disorders. This book is also required reading for those who simply enjoy a fascinating story... we are offered a first person narrative to match anything by contemporary writers. Mark Haddon has created a true literary character and his handling of the teenage Asperger's heroic adventure is brilliantly crafted.

It was made into a book & a play (and will be a film soon) and was widely acknowledged as a fantastic&original work of mystery fiction, that bought deeper discussion & understanding of the disorder to a wide audience. Unusually, it was published simultaneously in separate editions for adults and children.

 

[Jean4]

Before being disabled, I was a therapist. I specialized in terminal illnesses and was a member of the Hemlock Society. Right now I work with Compassion and Choices. I am also suicidal myself, and have attempts. I openly admit, I have helped terminal individuals die.

I am on medication. I went to my doctor and told her what I needed. For me, meds quiet the kill yourself voices in my head that are there 24/7.

So no. Not all therapists are bad, and medication is bad. Like in a relationship, with a therapist one must find the right fit. The same with medication.

That being said. Have I worked with Suicidal Patients? Yes. Have I had Suicidal Patients CTB? Yes. Have I stopped Suicidal Patients from killing themselves? Yes.
Have I hospitalized Suicidal Patients? Yes.

I am pro-choice. However, I can see when it is right to CTB and when it is not. If I had a 14-year-old come to me says 'I want to kill myself because my mother wouldn't buy me lip gloss' I will stop them. If my significant other comes to me and says I am going to CTB, I am going to let him go... which he did 5 days ago.

Ultimately, it is up to the person. Everybody has free will to do whatever they want.

 

[MeltingHeart]

Thank you, I have to admit this cheered me up a little

Ahh im so glad, that is a sweet thing to say! Sometimes its the gentlest and kindest souls that are the most sensitive and vunerable. Hope u keep a little cheered up for the weekend and do something nice for yourself-cos you deserve it.

Before being disabled, I was a therapist. I specialized in terminal illnesses and was a member of the Hemlock Society. Right now I work with Compassion and Choices. I am also suicidal myself, and have attempts. I openly admit, I have helped terminal individuals die.

I am on medication. I went to my doctor and told her what I needed. For me, meds quiet the kill yourself voices in my head that are there 24/7.

So no. Not all therapists are bad, and medication is bad. Like in a relationship, with a therapist one must find the right fit. The same with medication.

That being said. Have I worked with Suicidal Patients? Yes. Have I had Suicidal Patients CTB? Yes. Have I stopped Suicidal Patients from killing themselves? Yes.
Have I hospitalized Suicidal Patients? Yes.

I am pro-choice. However, I can see when it is right to CTB and when it is not. If I had a 14-year-old come to me says 'I want to kill myself because my mother wouldn't buy me lip gloss' I will stop them. If my significant other comes to me and says I am going to CTB, I am going to let him go... which he did 5 days ago.

Ultimately, it is up to the person. Everybody has free will to do whatever they want.

That is interesting that you are therapist-havent seen anyone else who is on here-I wanted to try and train at one time, they do get quite the bashing on here! And whilst I am sure there are loads of awful ones, maybe ones that dont listen properly, give bad advice, in it for the money etc, simply dont help, I also am hopeful there ARE good ones-well actually I know there are-as they have helped many friends. I totally agree you need to find the right one for you-that is crucial to having a good rapport, also people have to go in their with a slightly open mind I guess and acceptence that half the work needs to come from them- unfortunetly they cannot work miracles-wave a wand etc. The scorn I have seen for expressed for all therapists is surprisingly strong-even after someone seems to have one bad experience, I guess alot of that stems from desperation to feel better, the frustration of not feeling understood and maybe a fear that nothing will help-which are all crushing and lonely feelings to have.

 

[TAW122]

@MeltingHeart NT life is basically what most non-autistic people experience, basically the majority of people in society. Their life consists of normal social development, intellectual development, and able to adapt to change. They can relate to people, see social cues, and typically live a normal, functional life. Pretty much anything that is non-autistic, usually broad in their interactions. I can't really explain it and I apologize if it doesn't sound right. Here is a link that might explain it better than me. The world in general is built around NT as that is the majority of the population, thus people on the Autism spectrum have more difficulty than most people due to the communication, getting around, navigation through a world that is built for NT. We still make due but it is more difficult and requires more effort just to be able to get by.

In regards to Aspergers, it is a developmental disorder in which it affects the person's ability to read non-verbal cues, socialize, and understand people. There are other symptoms of Aspergers and things that affect an Aspie's quality of life (including sensitive to sounds, and light). I have made older threads about it so I won't go into a big essay over it and rewrite many paragraphs of what I have written, but I will link a few threads for you to get a bit more information if you will.

My social life in summary

Yet another reason to CTB

How I arrived at the stance of ...

As far as the book you are referring to, no I haven't.

@Jean4 That is an interesting perspective and I'm glad that you are discerning and more open minded than most of the therapists and other people in society are. I don't blame you at all for breaking confidentiality in certain situations (especially the really clear cut ones, like the teenager who is impulsive and didn't think it through) not only because you were required by law, by your board (legally and professionally), but also since you carefully made the decision and was fair.

 

[OneBigBlur]

Before being disabled, I was a therapist. I specialized in terminal illnesses and was a member of the Hemlock Society. Right now I work with Compassion and Choices. I am also suicidal myself, and have attempts. I openly admit, I have helped terminal individuals die.

I am on medication. I went to my doctor and told her what I needed. For me, meds quiet the kill yourself voices in my head that are there 24/7.

So no. Not all therapists are bad, and medication is bad. Like in a relationship, with a therapist one must find the right fit. The same with medication.

That being said. Have I worked with Suicidal Patients? Yes. Have I had Suicidal Patients CTB? Yes. Have I stopped Suicidal Patients from killing themselves? Yes.
Have I hospitalized Suicidal Patients? Yes.

I am pro-choice. However, I can see when it is right to CTB and when it is not. If I had a 14-year-old come to me says 'I want to kill myself because my mother wouldn't buy me lip gloss' I will stop them. If my significant other comes to me and says I am going to CTB, I am going to let him go... which he did 5 days ago.

Ultimately, it is up to the person. Everybody has free will to do whatever they want.

Thank you for being a good person. I wish I had a therapist where I could openly talk about things and it is heartbreaking having to hide them.

I am sorry for your loss even though I know that won't really help.

 

[Jean4]

Thank you for being a good person. I wish I had a therapist where I could openly talk about things and it is heartbreaking having to hide them.

I am sorry for your loss even though I know that won't really help.

Thank you. All I am saying there are people out there who do understand. Yes. The majority don't.
Doctors are taught to save people. Then along comes Dr. Kevorkian. Keep looking. We are out there.

 

[OneBigBlur]

Thank you. All I am saying there are people out there who do understand. Yes. The majority don't.
Doctors are taught to save people. Then along comes Dr. Kevorkian. Keep looking. We are out there.

I'm fully aware that there are. A lot of people have told me that I look at things in black and white but I look at them for what they are. I have yet to meet a good person in real life but I still know that they are out there, I just wish it wasn't such a massive risk to find a therapist that would truly listen. I'm convinced that mine is a nice person but she is still rather narrow minded about suicide/life and would send me into the psych ward immediately.

 

[Jean4]

I'm fully aware that there are. A lot of people have told me that I look at things in black and white but I look at them for what they are. I have yet to meet a good person in real life but I still know that they are out there, I just wish it wasn't such a massive risk to find a therapist that would truly listen. I'm convinced that mine is a nice person but she is still rather narrow minded about suicide/life and would send me into the psych ward immediately.

You are in the United States. If you want a therapist, may I suggest you contact an organization such as Compassion and Choices or any other that is excepting of the right to die. They can refer you to a like minded therapist.