Discussion What do you believe will happen afterwards?

[Aunty_Seuss]

It's oddly soothing for me to think about this, to speculate about what could happen to the conscious after the body shuts down and is officially "dead". To me, no matter if it's better or worse, something or nothing, it's scary, but it won't be what I am now (at least, I hope not).

 

[badatparties]

No one knows my friend, no theologian, philosopher, physicist, neuroscientist, etc etc, in the history of man, has ever been able to figure out the answer to this question. We can all discuss different theories, but they all come to a road block, and then you go back and forth, back and forth, and never reach a conclusion.

 

[Higurashi415]

Same as what happened before I was born: nothing

 

[Aunty_Seuss]

No one knows my friend, no theologian, philosopher, physicist, neuroscientist, etc etc, in the history of man, has ever been able to figure out the answer to this question. We can all discuss different theories but they all come to a road block, and then you go back and forth, back and forth, and never reach a conclusion.

Oh I know that, I was asking what you personally think happens, yknow? We won't reach a conclusion until it finally reaches us, but I find it personally fun to think about and speculate.

 

[Realog11]

Same as what happened before I was born: nothing

same or I would get reincarnated

 

[badatparties]

Oh I know that, I was asking what you personally think happens, yknow? We won't reach a conclusion until it finally reaches us, but I find it personally fun to think about and speculate.

I have no idea personally. I lean towards non existence, just like before you were born, but i can't know for sure.

 

[Aunty_Seuss]

Same as what happened before I was born: nothing

Here's a thought: you can't remember your early years, like being born, taking your first steps etc. So what if there was something before you were born? Maybe there was nothing, maybe we just can't remember it

 

[Higurashi415]

Here's a thought: you can't remember your early years, like being born, taking your first steps etc. So what if there was something before you were born? Maybe there was nothing, maybe we just can't remember it

In that sense, as far as I'm concerned I was never 1 year old. Good ole epistemology. I can't say I experienced something I can't remember.

 

[soul2realm]

Here's a thought: you can't remember your early years, like being born, taking your first steps etc. So what if there was something before you were born? Maybe there was nothing, maybe we just can't remember it

I agree to a certain extent. I mean spirituality has its own explanation while religions have theirs. But part of me does believe in afterlife. That's just me..

 

[Realog11]

I agree to a certain extent. I mean spirituality has its own explanation while religions have theirs. But part of me does believe in afterlife. That's just me..

I do believe in the afterlife and also a minor belief of reincarnation

 

[soul2realm]

I do believe in the afterlife and also a minor belief of reincarnation

Just don't want to ever come back to this miserable existence.

 

[Realog11]

Just don't want to ever come back to this miserable existence.

I do get it I want to reincarnate as a royal or noble and or a rich or celebrity family

 

[soul2realm]

I do get it I want to reincarnate as a royal or noble and or a rich or celebrity family

That's great. But if I look at the overall evaluation of life, it does not, at least for me, condone the idea of ever coming back in any form. I mean, the idea of afterlife where there is no strife, no misery and only love---sign me up.

 

[Aunty_Seuss]

If reincarnation is real, I think I'd like to come back as one of those big tortoises that live in the Galapagos, they always look so dopey and relaxed, probably wouldn't be so good to grow up as one in the 21st century though

 

[heatdeath]

Same as what happened before I was born: nothing

Exactly. 100%. You don't remember being not born; you won't remember being dead. The transition is the chaotic part that our ape brains want to be as comfortable as possible, but it's not.

 

[violetforever]

i hope its like fainting but without the eventual awakening back to consciousness

and i love your photo btw

 

[TheUncommon]

This question never made much sense to me and I finally figured out why.
The question itself is redundant. It asks about a specific subject (you) and then demands an answer about a different one entirely. The question structurally is set up to be unanswerable since it's incoherent.

If the version of you that exists now died, and there was some afterlife, why are we so adamant that the afterlife version is you at all?

If there's any continuity between current/Earth you and post-Earth you, then that future version is in an entirely different realm with entirely different experiences and circumstances that current-you will never be able to consider or relate to. It's not bound to the physics of our universe. Anything you think about goes through a lens of what's conceptually possible *here*.

Or... it is not continuous, in which case the afterlife entity is not "you" in any meaningful sense. Caring about its fate is no more relevant than caring about a random stranger's life in Antarctica and proceeding to allow it to affect your personal actions and emotions today.

What gets people anxious about death is literally nothing more than the anticipation itself...
Because either it's some entity that has no connection to you in the first place, or there is no you to begin with.

 

[Realog11]

This question never made much sense to me and I finally figured out why.
The question itself is redundant. It asks about a specific subject (you) and then demands an answer about a different one entirely. The question structurally is set up to be unanswerable since it's incoherent.

If the version of you that exists now died, and there was some afterlife, why are we so adamant that the afterlife version is you at all?

If there's any continuity between current/Earth you and post-Earth you, then that future version is in an entirely different realm with entirely different experiences and circumstances that current-you will never be able to consider or relate to. It's not bound to the physics of our universe. Anything you think about goes through a lens of what's conceptually possible *here*.

Or... it is not continuous, in which case the afterlife entity is not "you" in any meaningful sense. Caring about its fate is no more relevant than caring about a random stranger's life in Antarctica and proceeding to allow it to affect your personal actions and emotions today.

What gets people anxious about death is literally nothing more than the anticipation itself...
Because either it's some entity that has no connection to you in the first place, or there is no you to begin with.

Deep

 

[FuneralCry]

No matter what non-existence is all I could believe in and is all I could ever hope for, I just want to be permanently at peace from the evil of this torturous, cruel existence that I just always saw as the most terrible, dreadful mistake.

I just want to be permanently unconscious with all gone and forgotten about, in this existence that causes all this harm and suffering all for the sake of it with no limit as to how much one can be tortured only non-existence could ever be positive to me as after all only in non-existence will I be at peace from all pain, suffering and torture. For me non-existence is all I could ever see as desirable, to me existence will always be an abomination, I see the existence of life as the most devastating, terrible tragedy and the fact that humans impose this onto others is so horrific to me, to be tortured in this existence for decades longer just to die in agony from old age truly would be the most terrible punishment to me, only non-existence can solve everything for me.

 

[ginko0]

"Beware of the man who claims to know what happens after death, for he is either a liar or a fool." — Don't remember who said it

 

[Reishi]

Sweet blissful nothingness

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

i'm sure that 1 micro second after my brain dies i will cease to exist for all time and never exist again , same for every human.

and i'm very glad Death is Non-existence forever.

i can';t relate to any human even on this forum on anything and on fundamental beliefs about reality .i haven't written everything i believe on this forum .it's another reason to kill myself . i have to constantly put on an act as many here do to normies and never say my true beliefs for example that i think life in general is very bad.

just one example is i can't comprehend how anyone could ever want to risk another minute in this prison hell as a slave where any second any human can fall into a trap of pain that is a billion times worse than anyone could ever imagine.

boggles my mind that hardly no one is constantly in terror of being alive as extremely horrible things can happen to any human any day any second , just one example a brain stroke leaving one in constant pain and brain damage or locked in completely paralyzed only being able to move the eyes but in horrible pain ( this has happened to several people even youngish people it's called locked in syndrome).

but it seems most people are "i need to enjoy myself" and go watch videos etc as if that is worth going through the worst pain the most terrible torture.

this is just another reason for me to kill these monstrous cells they call a human body i'm trapped in that is just a torture chamber . i'm a brain that can suffer unending constant unbearable pain. i don't get it how anyone could want to continue to live just from the 4 things i named above but there are more horrible things. they have most humans believing life is a beautiful sacred gift. i've seen many people agreeing and indirectly imo agreeing by wishing for afterlives or reincarnation .

how could a human ( or a soul ) live for quadrillon to the quintillion power years and more? where's the power source the details. why would anyone want to risk a hell that is trillion times worse than one can imagine?

by the law of probability the longer one lives the worst torture will happen to you eventually . i guess nobody understand how bad pain suffering and torture can get . nothing is worth a second of the worst pain much less continously for 1 hour , 1 day, 1 week months years.

how could a human be immortal and not die. if you have an afterlife you don';t really die you just go into another life so that imo is not Death , Death is final means the end .

there are thousands of books from many fields like cell biology, neuroscience brain science, evolution, DNA etc that prove a human is an animal cells chemical reactions a machine.

and there is no evidence for any afterlife , soul or reincarnation.

thousands of books by people working all their lives experimenting building on previous observations and experiments, hundreds of years ,more , show what a human is , a small animal like a monkey frog fish. all animals humans too are cells.

there's zero evidence for any afterlife , soul and these violate all the physics laws. they'v been searching for evidence or an observation but nothing. billions of cameras on phones , scientists with all kinds of instruments to detect energy sources etc but still never even one peice of evidence for any soul , afterlife , reincarnation , magic, anything supernatural at all

why are all the souls , spirits, supernatural phennoma , god , etc hiding ? why why why , why is no one asking this ?

Tony Nicklinson got a stroke and became locked in , in extreme suffering every second begged for euthanazia but was denied

freaking reporter trying to get him to say that there is something he wants to live for but he says fuck no . then he finally starved himself to Death and was able to escape this hell

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/01.STR.17.4.758

 

[kuroshimi]

Nobody knows, but I'm pretty sure there is nothing afterwards. I don't believe in any kind of reincarnation.

 

[Abort!]

If I had to dish out numbers in a purely speculative format:

40% chance for some version of reincarnation (no Gods involved necessarily, infinite/cyclic universes, etc.) 35% chance for eternal nothingness, 25% chance that there's something beyond our comprehension be it God or some other unseen force.

I do not believe this hypothetical God is knowable in our current form.

Just my rough guesstimate.

 

[madameviolette]

According to Hinduism, before incarnating into humans we all went through a natural progressive cycle of : minerals, plants, insects, animals. Humans are supposed to be the most progressive conscious form with the least inertia.

If that's true I'd like to go back and reincarnate into a plant. Because wdym being a plant is worse than living as a human ?!

i'm sure that 1 micro second after my brain dies i will cease to exist for all time and never exist again , same for every human.

and i'm very glad Death is Non-existence forever.

i can';t relate to any human even on this forum on anything and on fundamental beliefs about reality .i haven't written everything i believe on this forum .it's another reason to kill myself . i have to constantly put on an act as many here do to normies and never say my true beliefs for example that i think life in general is very bad.

just one example is i can't comprehend how anyone could ever want to risk another minute in this prison hell as a slave where any second any human can fall into a trap of pain that is a billion times worse than anyone could ever imagine.

boggles my mind that hardly no one is constantly in terror of being alive as extremely horrible things can happen to any human any day any second , just one example a brain stroke leaving one in constant pain and brain damage or locked in completely paralyzed only being able to move the eyes but in horrible pain ( this has happened to several people even youngish people it's called locked in syndrome).

but it seems most people are "i need to enjoy myself" and go watch videos etc as if that is worth going through the worst pain the most terrible torture.

this is just another reason for me to kill these monstrous cells they call a human body i'm trapped in that is just a torture chamber . i'm a brain that can suffer unending constant unbearable pain. i don't get it how anyone could want to continue to live just from the 4 things i named above but there are more horrible things. they have most humans believing life is a beautiful sacred gift. i've seen many people agreeing and indirectly imo agreeing by wishing for afterlives or reincarnation .

how could a human ( or a soul ) live for quadrillon to the quintillion power years and more? where's the power source the details. why would anyone want to risk a hell that is trillion times worse than one can imagine?

by the law of probability the longer one lives the worst torture will happen to you eventually . i guess nobody understand how bad pain suffering and torture can get . nothing is worth a second of the worst pain much less continously for 1 hour , 1 day, 1 week months years.

how could a human be immortal and not die. if you have an afterlife you don';t really die you just go into another life so that imo is not Death , Death is final means the end .

there are thousands of books from many fields like cell biology, neuroscience brain science, evolution, DNA etc that prove a human is an animal cells chemical reactions a machine.

and there is no evidence for any afterlife , soul or reincarnation.

thousands of books by people working all their lives experimenting building on previous observations and experiments, hundreds of years ,more , show what a human is , a small animal like a monkey frog fish. all animals humans too are cells.

there's zero evidence for any afterlife , soul and these violate all the physics laws. they'v been searching for evidence or an observation but nothing. billions of cameras on phones , scientists with all kinds of instruments to detect energy sources etc but still never even one peice of evidence for any soul , afterlife , reincarnation , magic, anything supernatural at all

why are all the souls , spirits, supernatural phennoma , god , etc hiding ? why why why , why is no one asking this ?

Tony Nicklinson got a stroke and became locked in , in extreme suffering every second begged for euthanazia but was denied

freaking reporter trying to get him to say that there is something he wants to live for but he says fuck no . then he finally starved himself to Death and was able to escape this hell

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/01.STR.17.4.758

My god this is horrible. This is the worst case scenario. Being completely disabled and suffering but being unable to put an end to it and having other people decide for you.

 

[Himeasa]

I find the idea of an afterlife to be a frivolous proposition. It's not something that I worry about, despite the fact that I was raised fairly religiously. It has always been a suspect concept to me, and I think that seriously considering the prospect of an afterlife, to give the concept any credence, requires a preceding bias of investment in the idea, usually from a religious context.

What I consider to be real is the following: Your subjective experience correlates with the presence of your brain activity, and the conclusive cessation of brain activity also correlates with the absence of any further expression of your subjectivity—because you're dead at that point. Proving or disproving an afterlife would be beyond any epistemological possibilities, since the departure from physical reality to some subjective experience of an afterlife can only be conveyed subjectively and not be observed from an external position, and thus far nobody has conclusively died for any extended period of time (so NDE do not apply) beyond brain death and come back to report on such a transformation of their subjectivity. But your brain's gone, and therefore, I'd wager we can safely assume, your subjective experience is also forever gone. Of course I could not disprove an afterlife insofar it is defined in a form that is impossible to disprove since it lies entirely within a theoretic subjective experience beyond any ability to report on that subjectivity, and I don't think I have to disprove something that is unfalsifiable to safely disregard the prospect thereof. A proposition of existence without evidence is not equal to the assumed default of its non-existence after all.

All my fears surrounding death are practical, particularly around the painfulness of the process and SI response. But once I die, I'm dead, and there will be no God or afterlife to judge or continue tormenting me.

 

[Sphinxi]

I like to think that consciousness exists in some platonic space that persists after the material body is gone. I think that there are various arguments you can run to suggest that, but it might be the case that there is just nothing.

Before my most recent bout of despair, I was a fairly active religious jew, although I never really believed, and I was deeply envious of those that did. I have since stopped going to service and the like. If G-d is real, I imagine he would be merciful towards the suicidal.