Help What benzodiazepine is best for someone who never took them [for SN]?

[Alex6216]

I want to take a benzodiazepine shortly before taking SN but I want to know what benzodiazepine would be best for this purpose. I never took a benzodiazepine before so the first and hopefully last time I ever will take them they will have a very strong effect. I was thinking of getting diazepam but I dont know if that's the best for use with SN.
I want a benzo that only takes 1 hour max to take effect

 

[onlyanimalsaregood]

I think it depends from person to person. I take cloxam and I have always done very well, it's not too strong, it makes you feel calmer and I've never been addicted.

 

[Niko66]

About any benzo you could get your hands on will have taken effect in 1 hour especially with no tolerance. But I'd do at least one trial run just to see how your body reacts to it in particular. IE make you sure you don't just fall asleep or that the dose is not too low to make a difference.
Xanax is usually the go to for panic attacks for being fast acting, but as said, I don't think there's any benzo that takes longer than an hour to kick in to an empty stomach.

 

[Alex6216]

About any benzo you could get your hands on will have taken effect in 1 hour especially with no tolerance. But I'd do at least one trial run just to see how your body reacts to it in particular. IE make you sure you don't just fall asleep or that the dose is not too low to make a difference.
Xanax is usually the go to for panic attacks for being fast acting, but as said, I don't think there's any benzo that takes longer than an hour to kick in to an empty stomach.

My plan is to take xanax or diazepam. Which one do you think would be better and when should I take them prior to taking SN?
You say do a test trial, do you mean take the benzo then start a stopwatch and see how long it takes for me to feel sleepyish or feel whatever the benzo is supposed to do?

 

[Imissyoumydarling]

I've only used lorazepam. When I first took it, it would basically knock me out quite quickly. Maybe in an hour or so. That happened the first few times.

I don't take it regularly because I was afraid of addiction, so I've only taken maybe ~12 over the last three years whenever I was going through a rough night. It isn't as effective as it used to be, but that could also be because mine are now a bit old.

 

[Niko66]

My plan is to take xanax or diazepam. Which one do you think would be better and when should I take them prior to taking SN?
You say do a test trial, do you mean take the benzo then start a stopwatch and see how long it takes for me to feel sleepyish or feel whatever the benzo is supposed to do?

I have not tried diazepam but it's slower and longer acting, otherwise they should pretty much have the same effects really as far as I know. Only the timing would change.

And I mean more so to see how much of an effect you get from them as everyone will react a bit differently to drugs, I don't know how "out of it" you want to be but too high a dose might just make you fall asleep, too low might be barely noticeable. And one dose won't shoot up your tolerance *that* much for it to not effect you the second time very similarly (could simply adjust the dose up slightly, say like 5-10% more). Mind you this is very unscientific, just my anecdotal experience with Xanax and Klonopin.

 

[Smart No More]

Some benzos have a more heady effect in my experience but they would all do the trick really. Dosage might be the more important element here. They all take effect within an hour but can take a couple of hours or so to be at peak levels. It's much of a muxhness though. You'll feel it within the hour.
There's a good table of the different ways each benzo effects people. I'll try linking it below if I can find it.

Also if you want to learn a bit more about equipotence and time to take effect you could look up a benzo dosage converter. They usually show these details. Any info by Dr ashton is pretty reliable as that Dr has spent significant time studying and tresting benzo patients and could be said to be at the definitive bleading edge on the topic.

https://chartde.blogspot.com/2018/02/benzo-equivalency-chart.html

I will day, be careful where you aquire your benzo from. Bensedin Galenika brand is usually a pretty legit brand sold on the black market. Some are counterfeited more than others. Never buy loose pills as they'll be pressed by an amateur chemist and will almost certainly contain something other than the benzo you intend on buying. Usually another benzo still on the research chem scene. Flubromazalam or flualprazolam for example. There's loads and they kick like a mule but are far from ideal for someone trying to use a specific benzo. Especially for the first time.

Body building clearnet sites have benzos sometimes. Usually diazepam. I'm not inclined to be very trusting of them personally. A local dark net vendor is an ironically safer source if you can do a little due diligence research on the vendor firsts. They vary around the world and EU has some reliable vendors. The US vendor scene is a little different and seems more expensinve for some things.

 

[befree]

Diazepam

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-with-benzodiazepines.90590/

 

[Alex6216]

Diazepam

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-with-benzodiazepines.90590/

That talks about putting 20-50 benzodiazepine tablets in the SN solution. I was more talking about taking benzodiazepines shortly before drinking SN

 

[Alex6216]

I heard about this thing called Etizolam. Is it ok if I take etizolam 30 minutes before SN, how long does it take for it to work?

 

[befree]

I don´t understand why you don´t wanna use the recommended guide in the PPH.

 

[Alex6216]

I don´t understand why you don´t wanna use the recommended guide in the PPH.

The PPH says taking benzodiazepines prior to drinking SN will make the process easier. It however doesnt talk about how much and when to take them.

 

[Smart No More]

Etizolam is a benzo but was common on the research chems scene until it got sheduled. Buying it on the black market is potentially risky. Do not buy loose pills!

I would stick with the tried and tested benzos.

 

[Alex6216]

Etizolam is a benzo but was common on the research chems scene until it got sheduled. Buying it on the black market is potentially risky. Do not buy loose pills!

I would stick with the tried and tested benzos.

Ok thanks. I'll just get either oxazepam or Bensedin Galenika brand diazepam. That or I'll just not get benzos, they arent necessary tbh

 

[its-about-time]

Like another said, they're all pretty similar, give it a test run. Whichever benzo you end up with, Google "dosage for anxiety" or "dosage for insomnia" (depending whether you're shooting to be calm or to knock yourself out quicker). Take that dosage one evening and keep track of how long it takes for you to start feeling it, to be feeling it strongly, and for you to fall asleep (if you take a higher dose). Try to think about something that makes you anxious and see how you respond. I tried to ctb a couple weeks ago and was still wildly anxious even at the height of both my benzo and sedative, so I know now to take a higher dose, but gotta be careful because after a certain point the window is very small between it kicking in and falling asleep. In the end there's no perfect dosage, just gotta experiment a little to get an idea of what will be best individually.

 

[Smart No More]

I think diazepam is the all rounder really. Do a test dose and you'll know where you stand.

Like another said, they're all pretty similar, give it a test run. Whichever benzo you end up with, Google "dosage for anxiety" or "dosage for insomnia" (depending whether you're shooting to be calm or to knock yourself out quicker). Take that dosage one evening and keep track of how long it takes for you to start feeling it, to be feeling it strongly, and for you to fall asleep (if you take a higher dose). Try to think about something that makes you anxious and see how you respond. I tried to ctb a couple weeks ago and was still wildly anxious even at the height of both my benzo and sedative, so I know now to take a higher dose, but gotta be careful because after a certain point the window is very small between it kicking in and falling asleep. In the end there's no perfect dosage, just gotta experiment a little to get an idea of what will be best individually.

You can actually take too much and create a weird paradoxical effect too. It mimics withrawal symptoms and heightened anxiety. Quite confusing for someone unaware of it and redosing chasing relief. I think it's more of a thing that's common amongst addicts and people with tolerance but unheard of in newer users.

 

[Alex6216]

You can actually take too much and create a weird paradoxical effect too. It mimics withrawal symptoms and heightened anxiety. Quite confusing for someone unaware of it and redosing chasing relief. I think it's more of a thing that's common amongst addicts and people with tolerance but unheard of in newer users.

My plan, if I do get a benzodiazepine, is to take a test dose beforehand and not take it again until the day I drink SN. Will this cause me to build tolerance or anything like that or no?

 

[Smart No More]

My plan, if I do get a benzodiazepine, is to take a test dose beforehand and not take it again until the day I drink SN. Will this cause me to build tolerance or anything like that or no?

No that'll be fine. There is a phenomenon where you can incorrectly percieve tolerance and it's really common amongst regular users but it's not going to effect you like that after a single dose. Maybe like 4 or 5 daily doses might do that as you become accustomed to comfort it brings but you're not planning to use it that way so you will be okay.

One thing of relevance I should mention though is that there is a long half life to diazepam. Half life is the time it takes for a substance to become halved by your metabolism. Also there are some active metabolites where your body turns diazepam from one benzo into another. I think Oxazepam is actually one of them. There are two or three. It's not a problem but it does mean that you will want at least a week between doses really. Ideally longer but again, as a new user you will be less effected by crossover of doses. I am kind of over complicating things for you here I guess. That's not my intention. Just trying to provide with as much useful info as possible. The good thing aboit benzos with longer half lives like diazepam is that tolerance and rebound anxiety are less likely due to the slow metabolising of them and the gradual adaptation of your metabolism. Shorter acting benzos like xanax are more prone to these things. Tolerance builds much faster. Same with etizolam.

Hope that helps.

Short answer, no. Tolerance won't occur with a single dose and significant gap between use. Significant gap is measure relevant to things like halflife however. A week or so will be fine for you.

 

[swimmer]

Ok thanks. I'll just get either oxazepam or Bensedin Galenika brand diazepam. That or I'll just not get benzos, they arent necessary tbh

Can you tell me where you are sourcing and DM me? I need oxazepam