Discussion What are the most convincing arguments for and against god?

[MakinItHappen111]

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[Canto XIII]

You mean for and against the existence of God?

 

[Hvergelmir]

Against; would be the lack of verifiable observation, and the absence of a proper theory explaining what God is or how it would have come to be.
For; would be the numerous texts, tales, and witness accounts, and how persistently they've survived.

 

[MakinItHappen111]

You mean for and against the existence of God?

yes

 

[Set Real Goul]

all the ontological, cosmological, and theological arguments have the same problem: they're basically circular. They start by assuming God exists, then build an argument to "prove" that assumption.

The arguments against god that I find the strongest are the Reverse Pascal's Wager, the Argument from Divine Hiddenness, and of course the Problem of Evil (hopefully nobody here finds theodicy convincing). I also like the argument from the simplicity of naturalism (ockham's razor): naturalism explains the world using only natural, material causes, so it's much simpler and more parsimonious than theories that rely on the supernatural.

Personally, I think faith is an emotion, not something you arrive at through logic. Christians either believe or they don't. That's why I see all these logical arguments as lolcow material. Believers would do more good by helping people than by playing semantic games.

And one more thing — I don't even know if this counts as an argument, but has there ever been a single person who was actually convinced by these arguments in the long run?

 

[Pluto]

 

[Canto XIII]

My cat is both my goddess and my devil, and I think the feeling is reciprocated.

 

[LastNite]

It's a huge dumb gamble. There's thousands of religions, what makes yours special? "Oh well its followers are in the billions," that just means said religion spread through violence and lies.

There is no argument for the existence of a God. There has never been. We made it all up. Just because we don't know how this or that was made doesn't equal some beard guy with magical powers.

For a book made by a god, you'd think it'll contain no mistakes and it won't be a bunch of trust me bro sentences, but thats pretty much all of the existing religious scriptures. Trust me bro if you give me all of your time and devotion, I will give you endless wealth and health after you suffer all throughout your life and die miserably. No, I won't show you a sneak peek of what is going to happen to you after death, you'll just have to trust me. Also, I will give you 72 virgins MAN.

It baffles me how no one is curious about that part of Islam lol. Why would a God write about virgins to men unless God is a fraud and a man himself, he was horny while writing that book so he knew he could add the part about virgins so that other men would believe in him so that they can get their pure young virgins as well. Yuck. It never talks about women, it's so obviously written by a guy. Thinking with your dick will not get you any play!

Also, I don't hate Muslims or Christians. The same way I don't hate Russians just because I hate the Russian dictatorship system.

hum

 

[Canto XIII]

Personally, I think faith is an emotion, not something you arrive at through logic. Christians either believe or they don't. That's why I see all these logical arguments as lolcow material.

To be fair, even the greatest theorists of God's existence such as St. Anselm and St. Thomas ultimately admitted that faith isn't reached through rational demonstrations.

 

[limenlux]

To be fair, even the greatest theorists of God's existence such as St. Anselm and St. Thomas ultimately admitted that faith isn't reached through rational demonstrations.

You beat me to it.

 

[nayomi]

do 5meo dmt and you need no argument for knowing god

 

[ScarletTanager]

What my mother always said,
That there is something,
Instead of nothing.
Something can not come from nothing.
And there are no limits to time and space.
To me, being here is evidence of God, but this is my opinion, everyone has their own.